The Hero of Mobius vs The God of War

[Georredannea15]

We've got this thing for the list already (He is 6D while Sonic and Co are 5D layered plot hax gg.)

Still surprised he has profile here tbh.

Wait, his plot manipulation is 6-D? If that's true, he should move higher up the Low 1-C list.

I looked at the profile and it looks like a Plot taken with R>F. If that's the case, he has 5-D plot with 6-D AP, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Wait, his plot manipulation is 6-D? If that's true, he should move higher up the Low 1-C list.

The characters above him have oppressive passives and/or can't be affected (NEP, TD, AE+1, etc) but this is derailing so let's drop the subject shall we?

Still hilarious that's two Sonic's (Game and Archie) that have fair and debatable matches with Kratos here.

 

[Georredannea15]

The characters above him have oppressive passives and/or can't be affected (NEP, TD, AE+1, etc) but this is derailing so let's drop the subject shall we?

Still hilarious that's two Sonic's (Game and Archie) that have fair and debatable matches with Kratos here.

In fact, all these attacks you mentioned are denied by Plot. Of course, things change here if the Plot is 4-D or 5-D. But to avoid derailment, yes, it's better to close the issue, but this plot hax can negate hax like NEP, TD, AE 1 etc.

 

[Remus1998]

In that case, Incon I vote.

Then I probably stand by my Inconclusive vote even more

incon fra

Seems inconclusive to me as well. Kratos' hax and ability defense gets better and better rapidly via his RE but Sonic's physicals get better faster.

Incon FRA

so I'll vote incon FRA

Hmmm, I vote incon too. These two have moves that can one-shot each other.

All counted, That's 7, Grace begins I guess

 

[Georredannea15]

All counted, That's 7, Grace begins I guess

I don't actually exist.

 

[Omegabronic]

first frontiers and ragnarok release close to each other, then game sonic incons kratos, and now archie sonic incons kratos again, what is next i wonder?

 

[Remus1998]

I don't actually exist.

Because you're merely a manifestation of my mind, when I die you die too

Counted you

 

[Remus1998]

Btw, Sonic should definitely be on the non-Smurf Low 1-C list with these hax layers.

Won't mean much if those layers are only 3-D

 

[Georredannea15]

Won't mean much if those layers are only 3-D

Uhh... I thought it was a hax working in 4-D or 5-D.

 

[Omegabronic]

Uhh... I thought it was a hax working in 4-D or 5-D.

oh it is, similar deal with kratos' UES

 

[Georredannea15]

oh it is, similar deal with kratos' UES

A definitive answer, 4-D or 5-D? I will definitely not open a vs Thread about this.

 

[Omegabronic]

A definitive answer, 4-D or 5-D? I will definitely not open a vs Thread about this.

5D

 

[Remus1998]

5D

Would all Chaos Energy haxes fall under this unbrella

 

[Omegabronic]

Would all Chaos Energy haxes fall under this unbrella

Yeah aside from properly blogging the layer stuff, there's no further additions I have to make for Pre-Genesis aside from formatting shit.

what do you think shake?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Likely not every single one (for example "5-D healing" is never displayed). But things like Conceptual Manipulation, Power Nullification, some other abilities, and most Resistances have layers. Which is why they should be kept off any non-smurf list until a comprehensive blog is made.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Incon

 

[Remus1998]

Counted

 

[Robo432343]

grace

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Incon

 

[Remus1998]

Counted

 

[Huesito88]

Out of curiosity what were the rules again with speed equal and Immeasurable speed?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Incon FRA

 

[Remus1998]

Counted

 

[AStrangeverse]

incon, so it ain't divisible by 2

 

[Remus1998]

Grace is 24hrs right?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Yeah iirc

 

[Remus1998]

Then Grace is over then

 

[Omegabronic]

Grace is 24hrs right?

48

 

[Remus1998]

48

Nevermind then

 

[Dragonite007]

48

Grace is 24h, 48h is for CRTs

 

[Dragonite007]

 

[Omegabronic]

Grace is 24h, 48h is for CRTs

Oh right, my mistake

 

[Omegabronic]

Nevermind then

Forget what i said, this can be added

 

[Remus1998]

Now this can be added

 

[Remus1998]

And this can be closed now

 

[Planck69]

Closing.