The hax is too great! Lucemon vs Pun-Pun

[Zeifyl]

I know this cannot be added, but I am genuinely curious about this!

Re Digitize Lucemo vs Post-Ascension Pun-Pu

Is the digital devil too much for the reptile to handle, or can not even Lucemon bring down the God of Munchkinnery?

(For the sake of this battle, Pun-Pun can both be hit and affected by hits)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

WAIT WHAT

PUN PUN

THE ****

 

[DMB_1]

What the **** is a Pun-Pun?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

are you asking genuinely or as a joke

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

What the **** is a Pun-Pun?

A D&D "Glitch" essentially

 

[DMB_1]

It's a joke now that I read that it's an OC.

 

[PaChi2]

>Stamina: Aleph-Null.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Pun-Pun isn't an OC, or at least, not really? I have no idea who made it. It is basically a D&D character build meant to **** with the GM, wherein Pun Pun destroys your game by being absurdly overpowered and yeets everything to death with a single act. It is also unironically a member of the worst race in the game, the Kobolds, who are a step below the typical vermin enemies you encounter in the game like hoards of spiders or dire rats.

Pun-Pun is a monstrosity famed for being able to bullshit his way through anything, to the point of some powers being "I win" and thus he wins. He isn't canon but he's a step above an OC, one feels, in that everybody in the game who has played long enough knows about Pun-Pun.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Pun Pun has Resistance to at least High 1-C likely 1-A hax

 

[PaChi2]

Well, then create their profile. If its legit.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It isn't. Like I said, it isn't an official character. But it isn't exactly an OC either. It's a template of sorts to utterly destroy the game, should the allow it to come to that point.

plus if I'm making aother D&D profile anytime soon it's gonna be my boy Zargon the Returner

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Well, then create their profile. If its legit.

It isn't

 

[PaChi2]

It isn't. Like I said, it isn't an official character. But it isn't exactly an OC either. It's a template of sorts to utterly destroy the game, should the allow it to come to that point.

plus if I'm making aother D&D profile anytime soon it's gonna be my boy Zargon the Returner

I mean. If its a legit character, even if it isnt "canon" or "official". Like any other non canon character.

 

[DMB_1]

Being non-canon =/= being non-official.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Wdym non-canon character? Do we have those lol?

But uh... no. Pun-Pun would entirely be game mechanics and abuse of GM leniency until it is too late. The profile would literally be impossible.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Also yeah. To be clear, Pun-Pun is 100% a player-made thing, and I'm not sure if Wiz has ever acknowledged its existence.

For example, this version suggests abusing mechanics of a couple of spells to permanently boost your strength stat to something higher than I've ever seen- I have personally witnessed a player run their literal deity character and their strength score would potentially be something like infinity less than this.

 

[Zeifyl]

Hmm...

I appear to have underestimated the lizard.

 

[IvoryAS]

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  I'm confuzzuled as to if this is a valid match
  

 

[Zeifyl]

*Goes to this thread

I'm confuzzuled as to if this is a valid match

I...

...intended for it to be. Not realising that Lucemon doesn't have a win con.

 

[IvoryAS]

k

 

[Qawsedf234]

Pun-pun isn't meant to destroy a campaign really. The original post even notes that any DM ever would just veto him out of existence. Pun-Pun's main thing is showing how broken the 3e magic system got with multiple different splat books. But theoretically he would cap out at like High 2A with Overgod metagaming.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Basically. Anything short of DM intervention would just have Pun-Pu instantly neg it and murderstomp.

 

[Zeifyl]

Basically. Anything short of DM intervention would just have Pun-Pu instantly neg it and murderstomp.

So, in other words, the only way to stop him is to be a High End Tier 1-A or 0?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

No. The only way to beat him would be to be Luminous Being. Tier 1.

 

[Zeifyl]

No. The only way to beat him would be to be Luminous Being. Tier 1.

Fair enough.

 

[Qawsedf234]

In-universe Immortals/Old Ones could also do it. Possibly the Ancient Brethren as well.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

3e Build fighting the Old Ones and Immortals. Hmmmmmmm.

And the ancient bretheren... maybe? I've never actually seen a game that allowed Pun-Pun to happen so I have no idea.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Pun-Pun's highest "rating" here would either be Divine Rank 20 or 21. The former is just "At least 2-A" the latter would be "High 2A". If he's limited to the former than their true forms are enough to kill him in a straight fight, but their avatars would get stalemated.

 

[Zeifyl]

So Pun-Pun would not qualify as a smurf?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Is it sad that I've become numb to these sorts of things? In the past, Lucemon vs something named Pun-Pun would shock me....now...It's a normality for me..Says a lot about the shit that goes down here.....

 

[Zeifyl]

Is it sad that I've become numb to these sorts of things? In the past, Lucemon vs something named Pun-Pun would shock me....now...It's a normality for me..Says a lot about the shit that goes down here.....

We do not go to VSBattles.

'tis a silly place. ovo

 

[Mr. Bambu]

In all fairness back when I learned about the almighty Pun-Pun I didn't expect it to be considered a possibly fair match for a literal Digimon, that show that came on after Pokemon and thus I didn't watch

 

[Zeifyl]

In all fairness back when I learned about the almighty Pun-Pun I didn't expect it to be considered a possibly fair match for a literal Digimon, that show that came on after Pokemon and thus I didn't watch

As far as I can tell... It isn't!

From my understanding, Lucemon gets stomped.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Might be? We don't really have a clear definition of what Pun-Pun could do since it is techically homebrew and *****. As far as I know, at weakest Pun-Pun would pretty much wipe the floor with any given deity save for maybe Vecna at peak.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Peak Pun-Pun is basically a more haxy/stronger Wee Jas or Boccob. His precog sorta sucks since it's squirrel based though.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So Pun-Pun would not qualify as a smurf?

Pun-Pun would not to my understanding. But there are lore Wizards that would be classified either as Smurfs or extreme glass cannons.

 

[Jinsye]

Wdym non-canon character? Do we have those lol?

I'm late but

Yes we do

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think the issue with Pun-Pun is that not only is it non-canon, its also non-official.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Right. Like I said, wiz has never (to my knowledge) acknowledged the existence of Pun-Pun in any way.

Also, in lore wizards would totally be smurfs. The best thing I can think of is Wizards sealing the mind from the body of Pandorym, a 5-D God-Slaying Elder Evil.

 

[Qawsedf234]

They only summoned him in chunks iirc. Plus i think Pan. is more "high end 2A" than High 2A. Since its like, the singular focal point of a dark reflection of a singular multiverse (which tend to be 4D structures rather than 5D).