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Introduction:
Hello, my fellow yellow-sponge lovers!
For the happiness of some and the sadness of others this thread ins´t about AP or Speed, but another thing that have been bothering me on the profiles for a while: Lifting Strenght
You know, i already defended an Universal lifting strenght rating for SpongeBob in the past, but, seeing it now, our current LS ratings are.... Simply wrong and contradict several times through the series. We already had 2 threads on this theme that were never concluded, something that i want to finally put a full stop
And no, this will be not just about Universal LS, but Inflate LS numbers in general
Anyway, sit in your chair, get some Chocolate with Nuts and follow me through Bikini Bottom´s marvelous weight lifting competitions
Part 1: The String feat
The infamous feat where SpongeBob unravels the universe with a string is categorized on his profile the following ways:
The profile contradicts itself at the point that it considers the string as using powers and "unravelling" the universe (Basically making it becoming part of the string while keeping it's mass) at the same time:
And no, you can´t simply remove the String "powers" from the profile and stay with the Universal LS, the string is explicit showed to be able to "unravell" cars, showing that it´s application isn´t simply based on unravelling stuff, but by completely changing their composition and consequently their mass via EE or Transmutation
Part 2: The Continuation of Part 1 (lol)
Other arguments related to LS (Specifically On-Site) are SpongeBob lifting his own brain (Which contains a starry sky and a sun, making it a Stellar to Multi-Stellar feat) and the main cast wrestling Lord Poltergueist, who has an entire void inside of him
However, lifting the outside of a pocket dimension doesn´t makes you scale to the inside of it
Also, the starry sky feats are a misinterpretation of the scenes, SpongeBob was dreaming. Yes, dreams can turn real through Subjective Reality, but they aren´t real by default
The Lord Poltergueist feat doesn´t makes sense because we don´t even know how big the void is
Sorry little Timmy, but this is nowhere consistent with other feats In-Verse
Conclusion:
Universal LS should go and be replaced, i currently don´t have any idea of what should be the characters new ratings, so i will prematurely list them as Below Average Human. If anyone has any suggestion of what we could put as a replacement, i would like to hear it
And no, the characters can´t gain a Varies rating, it ins´t allowed to give such a rating to characters that doesn´t have a real reason to vary in power
SpongeBob, however, should receive the following:
Agree: @Gasper @Eseseso @Deidalius @VeneficaAuthor
Disagree:
Neutral:
Hello, my fellow yellow-sponge lovers!
For the happiness of some and the sadness of others this thread ins´t about AP or Speed, but another thing that have been bothering me on the profiles for a while: Lifting Strenght
You know, i already defended an Universal lifting strenght rating for SpongeBob in the past, but, seeing it now, our current LS ratings are.... Simply wrong and contradict several times through the series. We already had 2 threads on this theme that were never concluded, something that i want to finally put a full stop
And no, this will be not just about Universal LS, but Inflate LS numbers in general
Anyway, sit in your chair, get some Chocolate with Nuts and follow me through Bikini Bottom´s marvelous weight lifting competitions
Part 1: The String feat
The infamous feat where SpongeBob unravels the universe with a string is categorized on his profile the following ways:
The profile contradicts itself at the point that it considers the string as using powers and "unravelling" the universe (Basically making it becoming part of the string while keeping it's mass) at the same time:
- Considering the String "used" Existence Erasure on the universe and erased it: the universe would be erased and the string would have another type of material as part of its composition, not mantaining the mass of the original universe due to it being logically erased
- Considering that the String "used" Transmutation on the universe and turned it part of the string: Then it no more scales to its original mass and just scales to the mass of the string, what means Below Average Human considering SB´s size
And no, you can´t simply remove the String "powers" from the profile and stay with the Universal LS, the string is explicit showed to be able to "unravell" cars, showing that it´s application isn´t simply based on unravelling stuff, but by completely changing their composition and consequently their mass via EE or Transmutation
Part 2: The Continuation of Part 1 (lol)
Other arguments related to LS (Specifically On-Site) are SpongeBob lifting his own brain (Which contains a starry sky and a sun, making it a Stellar to Multi-Stellar feat) and the main cast wrestling Lord Poltergueist, who has an entire void inside of him
However, lifting the outside of a pocket dimension doesn´t makes you scale to the inside of it
Also, the starry sky feats are a misinterpretation of the scenes, SpongeBob was dreaming. Yes, dreams can turn real through Subjective Reality, but they aren´t real by default
The Lord Poltergueist feat doesn´t makes sense because we don´t even know how big the void is
Sorry little Timmy, but this is nowhere consistent with other feats In-Verse
- In "Goons On The Moon", SpongeBob and co. being strong enough to push the moon was treated as so stupid that it became a gag inside the episode
- One of Larry´s two main hobbies (Weight lifting) is a incredible common anti-feat on the franchise ("Squid pulls one", "Buff for Puff", "Ripped Pants", "Larry´s Gym", "SpongeGuard On Duty" and etc), unless you want to argue that an anchor, a grandstand and some generic weights (Things that Larry commonly shows difficult and has to exert some effort to lift) have Universal weight, which is stupid
- In "Back to the Past", SpongeBob and Patrick show difficult on pushing an invisible car, even with help of each other
- SpongeBob, someone with supposedly Superhuman stamina and MFTL+ speed, having difficult on lifting Squidward while he was in a throne and getting exhausted very quickly after travelling, at best, around the planet. Additionally, in "Ghoul Fools", Patrick is showed to not be able to jump high enough to reach the top of a boat, something that even Class 5 of LS would allow him to
- In "MuscleBob BuffPants", SpongeBob being weak was the main plot of the episode, and while you can argue that some parts of it are Plot/Character-Induced Stupidity, the end, where Bob needs to exert massive effort to push an anchor, ins´t
- In "The Sponge Out of Water" movie, not even the entire main cast helping each other and using all of their strenght was enough to to push a man
- In SpongeBob Comics #1 (Which is currently considered part of the "main canon" and was supervisioned by Hillenburg himself), SpongeBob shows difficult on lifting a speaker. In the same comic (Not the same story, but the same comic), Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy are unable to lift an Octopus
Conclusion:
Universal LS should go and be replaced, i currently don´t have any idea of what should be the characters new ratings, so i will prematurely list them as Below Average Human. If anyone has any suggestion of what we could put as a replacement, i would like to hear it
And no, the characters can´t gain a Varies rating, it ins´t allowed to give such a rating to characters that doesn´t have a real reason to vary in power
SpongeBob, however, should receive the following:
Agree: @Gasper @Eseseso @Deidalius @VeneficaAuthor
Disagree:
Neutral:
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