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Speed is equalized
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Sonic the Hedgehog (Modern)

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Gilgamesh (Fate Series)

To unite dreams beneath a banner of conquest. I praise your efforts. But, warriors... did you not understand? That all dreams must disappear when the dreamer wakes. Every last one of them. Therefore, it was inevitable that I would stand in your way. King of Conquerors, know the end of your...

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[Robo432343]

i think this comes down to how in character it is for Gil to use his 1-A weapon

 

[Brogeefrong]

i think this comes down to how in character it is for Gil to use his 1-A weapon

What does he start with or what passives does he have? Sonic starts with speed amps and can probably one shots cause he's the gap between High 4-C to Low 2-C times baseline Low 1-C, along with layered Corruption

 

[Robo432343]

What does he start with

not sure, gotta ask the nasu supporters

or what passives does he have? Sonic starts with speed amps and can probably one shots cause he's the gap between High 4-C to Low 2-C times baseline Low 1-C, along with layered Corruption

Gilgamesh has passive resistance neg, passive power null and passive power negation and it cancelled all of BB's abilities
So a lot of Sonic's abilities are getting nulled here

although Gil probably cant get passed 2 layers of info manip or the layers of cyber corruption if he touches sonic

 

[KingNanaya]

i think this comes down to how in character it is for Gil to use his 1-A weapon

7th holy scripture isn't 1-A anymore. A crt changed that a while ago.

What does he start with or what passives does he have?

10 crowns + his stupidly broken foresight. He will know literally everything about his opponent, down to whether or not they're a virgin. 10 crowns just gives him layered powernull. The amount of layers hasn't been evaluated yet. He'd start with weapon spam, then omnidirectional weapon spam.

 

[Brogeefrong]

not sure, gotta ask the nasu supporters

Gilgamesh has passive resistance neg, passive power null and passive power negation and it cancelled all of BB's abilities
So a lot of Sonic's abilities are getting nulled here

although Gil probably cant get passed 2 layers of info manip or the layers of cyber corruption if he touches sonic

Would he able to null 6 Layer Abstract/Nonduality energy?

 

[KingNanaya]

not sure, gotta ask the nasu supporters

Hi

 

[KingNanaya]

Would he able to null 6 Layer Abstract/Nonduality energy?

10 crowns layers haven't been evaluated yet, so idk. I just know how this Gil behaves in character and stuff like that.

 

[Robo432343]

Would he able to null 6 Layer Abstract/Nonduality energy?

probably

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void shiki has transduality 3

we should probably wait for the layers to be evaluated

 

[KingNanaya]

void shiki has transduality 3

No way on earth is Gil touching Void Shiki

 

[G33kedzinx]

10 crowns layers haven't been evaluated yet, so idk. I just know how this Gil behaves in character and stuff like that.

What’s the minimum amount you can think of ?

 

[Robo432343]

No way on earth is Gil touching Void Shiki

someone said Gil should be able to interact with TD 3 because servants are able to interact with shiki, im just going off with what that guy said
it was in the anos vs gilgamesh thread back in 2022

even i was confused when i read that

Gil cant interact with the root?

 

[KingNanaya]

What’s the minimum amount you can think of ?

The lowest is probably around 2 or 3. I don’t think it would make much sense to argue higher than that.

someone said Gil should be able to interact with TD 3 because servants are able to interact with shiki, im just going off with what that guy said

You've been lied to, my condolences.

 

[KingNanaya]

Gil cant interact with the root?

Not at all lol

 

[Brogeefrong]

So without Ten Crown layers Sonic seems to win?

 

[John985]

someone said Gil should be able to interact with TD 3 because servants are able to interact with shiki, im just going off with what that guy said
it was in the anos vs gilgamesh thread back in 2022

No one can interact with Shiki. On TD3 CRT it use scans on properties of Imaginary number space, and well that is something the god tiers can interact without problem.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Hm... it looks like Sonic doesn't resist Gilgamesh's Subjective Reality, so Sonic's abilities and attacks should all get nullified.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Hm... it looks like Sonic doesn't resist Gilgamesh's Subjective Reality, so Sonic's abilities and attacks should all get nullified.

His abilites have 6 Layers of Abstractions, and he can null Subjective reality himself
i think he should also have a resistance to it aswell but he dont

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

His abilites have 6 Layers of Abstractions,

That doesn't really matter when he doesn't resist Subjective Reality.

and he can null Subjective reality himself

Can he? I didn't see anything like that on his profiles.

i think he should also have a resistance to it aswell but he dont

Make a content revision thread and add it to his profile.

 

[Robo432343]

i don't think 6 layers are accepted yet

 

[LaserPrecision]

Can he? I didn't see anything like that on his profiles.

I think he's talking about Super Sonic's aura negging the subjective realty manipulation from Eggman's Eggfield.

 

[KingNanaya]

Make a content revision thread and add it to his profile.

you've made me proud, my son.

 

[Brogeefrong]

i don't think 6 layers are accepted yet

Nah the abstract layers were in the ND thread

That doesn't really matter when he doesn't resist Subjective Reality.

It does when his energy is so abstract he cant interact with it

 

[omegabronic]

That doesn't really matter when he doesn't resist Subjective Reality.

he doesn't need to resist when he nulls it, plus he has wish granting from the emeralds, so he can just wish it back worst case

Can he? I didn't see anything like that on his profiles.

• Power Nullification (Super Sonic can expand his aura to a large enough extent that it fully consumes several duplicates of Perfect Chaos surrounding him[140] and even shattered the alternate worlds[155] Dr. Eggman would go on to create. Eggman theorized that Super Sonic's power neutralized "Otherworldification" and referred to this as Sonic eradicating all of his dreams, an idea to be taken literally due to the Phantom Ruby applying everyone's inner desires to the planet[155][156][157][140])

 

[omegabronic]

i don't think 6 layers are accepted yet

6 layers of abstraction currently are

 

[KingNanaya]

Power Nullification (Super Sonic can expand his aura to a large enough extent that it fully consumes several duplicates of Perfect Chaos surrounding him[140] and even shattered the alternate worlds[155] Dr. Eggman would go on to create. Eggman theorized that Super Sonic's power neutralized "Otherworldification" and referred to this as Sonic eradicating all of his dreams, an idea to be taken literally due to the Phantom Ruby applying everyone's inner desires to the planet[155][156][157][140])

how many layers for the powernull?

 

[G33kedzinx]

6 layers of abstraction currently are

It needs to specifically go through the hax layer evaluation thread and iirc glass recently made a comment on a slime CRT for something similar and said you can’t have layered abstract existence, only greater.

 

[Brogeefrong]

It needs to specifically go through the hax layer evaluation thread

I remember someone saying if a crt for layers came after that thread was made, and were accepted they were fine to use

and iirc glass recently made a comment on a slime CRT for something similar and said you can’t have layered abstract existence, only greater.

i mean it got accepted, btw link to crt?

 

[omegabronic]

It needs to specifically go through the hax layer evaluation thread

nah, that thread is not a requirement as long as a thread is made to accept them, @Planck69 said that a lot of times in said thread, altho i don't think those 6 really matter for this thread, unless i am missing something?

and iirc glass recently made a comment on a slime CRT for something similar and said you can’t have layered abstract existence, only greater.

yeah exactly, this is what is happening, hence why it isn't potency layers but abstraction/fundamental ones, it is just describing what is more abstract and fundamental than what

 

[omegabronic]

how many layers for the powernull?

if it is about Gilga's resistance to Power null, Sonic is not power nulling him from having it, he is nulling the effect of it itself, making the world stays "the true way"

 

[KingNanaya]

if it is about Gilga's resistance to Power null, Sonic is not power nulling him from having it, he is nulling the effect of it itself, making the world stays "the true way"

no, I meant to ask how many layers Sonic's power null has. because Gil's power null, subjective reality, and other abilities given by 10 crowns is layered, and I want to know for sure if sonic can bypass it.

 

[omegabronic]

no, I meant to ask how many layers Sonic's power null has. because Gil's power null, subjective reality, and other abilities given by 10 crowns is layered, and I want to know for sure if sonic can bypass it.

i mean.........i don't know for sure if an ability being layered protects the after effects of it from being nulled, this is a legit question btw

and as i said, it isn't nulling Gilga himself, so i don't think it really matters how layered one is when compared to the other when it isn't affecting his ability to do those things to begin with, altho his Chaos Energy based hax wouldn't be affected due to how abstract in nature they are(altho maybe Gilga has that stuff as well, which case, could you educate me?)

 

[KingNanaya]

i mean.........i don't know for sure if an ability being layered protects the after effects of it from being nulled, this is a legit question btw

I was under the assumption that it just wouldn't be nulled in the first place if it's layered.

and as i said, it isn't nulling Gilga himself, so i don't think it really matters how layered one is when compared to the other when it isn't affecting his ability to do those things to begin with

if it isn't layered, Gil could null Sonic's null. at least, I think that's how that works

altho his Chaos Energy based hax wouldn't be affected due to how abstract in nature they are(altho maybe Gilga has that stuff as well, which case, could you educate me?)

Gil can kill characters with abstract existence with Ea. like, he killed Tiamat.

Tiamat (Fate)

Tiamat is a primordial Mesopotamian Deity who appears in Fate/Grand Order as a Beast-class Servant known as Beast II. In Sumerian Mythology, Tiamat gave birth to the Gods with her husband Abzu. However, her kids staged an act to kill their primordial father, an act that she gently approved of...

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he also canceled all of BB's abilities with his own 10 crowns

BB (Fate/Extra CCC)

Welcome to the proving grounds! Too bad, you didn’t watch your step! Carelessly running through a minefield. An assault-type variety, swooping down on my careless, thoughtless, worry-free senpai – a dishonest and inescapable episode of the BB Channel starts now!BB starting up the BB Channel BB...

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[omegabronic]

I was under the assumption that it just wouldn't be nulled in the first place if it's layered.

i.....sincerely don't know if that is how it works, like,

if it isn't layered, Gil could null Sonic's null. at least, I think that's how that works

yeah, but ig not the Chaos Energy based hax, due to what i will say bellow

Gil can kill characters with abstract existence with Ea. like, he killed Tiamat.

Tiamat (Fate)

Tiamat is a primordial Mesopotamian Deity who appears in Fate/Grand Order as a Beast-class Servant known as Beast II. In Sumerian Mythology, Tiamat gave birth to the Gods with her husband Abzu. However, her kids staged an act to kill their primordial father, an act that she gently approved of...

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he also canceled all of BB's abilities with his own 10 crowns

BB (Fate/Extra CCC)

Welcome to the proving grounds! Too bad, you didn’t watch your step! Carelessly running through a minefield. An assault-type variety, swooping down on my careless, thoughtless, worry-free senpai – a dishonest and inescapable episode of the BB Channel starts now!BB starting up the BB Channel BB...

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Chaos Energy is more fundamental/abstract that

The Oneiric Concepts of Sonic the Hedgehog

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basically, basic AE can't interact with it, do this a couple of more times and you get this

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

you've made me proud, my son.

Thank you. I've learned from the best.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

he doesn't need to resist when he nulls it, plus he has wish granting from the emeralds, so he can just wish it back worst case

Gilgamesh's power nullification (which is passive) also nulls all actions if I remember correctly, so Sonic wouldn't be able to use the Chaos Emeralds again since that action would be negated.

• Power Nullification (Super Sonic can expand his aura to a large enough extent that it fully consumes several duplicates of Perfect Chaos surrounding him[140] and even shattered the alternate worlds[155] Dr. Eggman would go on to create. Eggman theorized that Super Sonic's power neutralized "Otherworldification" and referred to this as Sonic eradicating all of his dreams, an idea to be taken literally due to the Phantom Ruby applying everyone's inner desires to the planet[155][156][157][140])

It seems like it has limited range and/or needs to be activated while Gilgamesh's is passive.

Also, is it layered? If not, Gilgamesh just resists it outright and he nullifies it with his passive, layered power nullification.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Gilgamesh's power nullification (which is passive) also nulls all actions if I remember correctly, so Sonic wouldn't be able to use the Chaos Emeralds again since that action would be negated.

Still can't null 6 Layer AE

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

i.....sincerely don't know if that is how it works, like,

Gilgamesh's is passive, so that likely is how it works.

yeah, but ig not the Chaos Energy based hax, due to what i will say bellow


Chaos Energy is more fundamental/abstract that

The Oneiric Concepts of Sonic the Hedgehog

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basically, basic AE can't interact with it, do this a couple of more times and you get

Looking through that thread, only one staff member definitively agreed with the layered abstract existence, and the thread was made and concluded before the new Hax Layer Evaluation Thread was made, so those layers likely have to be reevaluated to see if they still qualify.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Still can't null 6 Layer AE

That's not how that works, as far as I know. Just because the Abstract Existence is layered doesn't mean they can't be power nulled.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Gilgamesh's is passive, so that likely is how it works.

Looking through that thread, only one staff member definitively agreed with the layered abstract existence, and the thread was made and concluded before the new Hax Layer Evaluation Thread was made, so those layers likely have to be reevaluated to see if they still qualify.

Layered AE was accepeted here iirc

That's not how that works, as far as I know. Just because the Abstract Existence is layered doesn't mean they can't be power nulled.

He would have to interact with the Layered AE in order to null it