The Glory vs. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)

[Warren_Valion]

Infinite Dimensional Construct that Holds All of Reality Together vs. Embodiment of an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse that Dwarfs the Marvel Multiverse

Who would win?

Beyonder (Pre-Retcon): 8 (ZacharyGrossman273, Paulo.junior.969, Quantu, Hellbeast1, Aeyu, TheSandman31,ABoogieYesSir,MrKingOfNegativity)

The Glory: 0

Inconclusive: 0 (Jockey-1337's answer doesn't count due to faulty reasoning at best)

Speed Equalized


The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)


The Glory

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Beyonder due to beings millions of times stronger than high 1-B entities.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Beyonder is also more haxed, he can do almost everything The Glory can do and more, except for holding reality together, but I don't see how that would help that much in a fight.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Bump.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Bump.

 

[Quantu]

Beyonder due to being more hax and a really able to do anything here

 

[Warren_Valion]

Bump.

 

[Quantu]

Bump

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I think this is a massive spite.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I think this is a massive spite.

Is it?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Yeah. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Yeah. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel.

What makes The Glory only baseline High 1-B?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, it does sound like a curbstomp.

 

[Warren_Valion]

If this is a curbstomp, than can someone close this?

 

[Hellbeast1]

I'm betting on Beyonder via his versatility and being much more powerful then High 1-Bs

 

[TakatoBlue]

Isn't The Glory just above Marvelverse?


The Glory > Marvel Universe

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

And so is the Beyonder.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Isn't The Glory just above Marvelverse?

The Glory > Marvel Universe

I think this falls under the topics mentioned in the Reality-Fiction Interaction page.

 

[Jdjsksksks]

you guys are all very ignorant. during secret wars, the living tribunal was only star level. so even though beyonder was millions of times stronger than everyone in the marvel multiverse, everyone in the marvel multiverse were only like star level at the time. so not very impressive. LT along with the other cosmic entities didnt become high 1-B until way after secret wars. so pre retcon beyonder is definitely not millions of times stronger than the current high 1-B living tribunal. he might not even be as strong. thats exactly why pre retcon beyonder lost to death of the endless, but LT won.

 

[Warren_Valion]

you guys are all very ignorant. during secret wars, the living tribunal was only star level. so even though beyonder was millions of times stronger than everyone in the marvel multiverse, everyone in the marvel multiverse were only like star level at the time. so not very impressive. LT along with the other cosmic entities didnt become high 1-B until way after secret wars. so pre retcon beyonder is definitely not millions of times stronger than the current high 1-B living tribunal. he might not even be as strong. thats exactly why pre retcon beyonder lost to death of the endless, but LT won.

I'm calling bullshit to the living tribunal was only star level.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

The lowest the Living Tribunal has ever been portrayed as has been 16D, and even then, the Living Tribunal has always been consistently High 1-B. Not only that, being ten million times more powerful than everyone in the Marvel Multiverse is not why he's High 1-B. That's why he's far above baseline High 1-B. He was blatantly stated to be an infinite-dimensional multiverse.

 

[Quantu]

i think most people have agreed about the result

 

[Warren_Valion]

i think most people have agreed about the result

I agree, Beyonder would win.

Though is this a stomp? Someone stated it was, but that topic was neatly glossed over.

If it isn't, the Beyonder would still win, and I am all for getting this placed on his profile.

Though since, I'm new, I don't know how to do that, or what kinda of rules are in place for changing profiles.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

We don't have enough votes it add it.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Bump.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

This is still spite.

 

[Warren_Valion]

This is still spite.

Is it a stomp?

It was never discussed an the debate continued.

And spite is on purpose, if this is a stomp, it would be a mismatch.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Oh, yes, I meant stomp, mind me.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

It is a mismatch. Beyonder is far superior in almost every way. Power, skill, and hax.

 

[Warren_Valion]

IF it is a stomp like you say, then I'd like this closed.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Comparing Multi-Eternity to baseline High 1-B, like the Glory is, is like comparing 10-B to High 3-A, or Low 2-C to 2-A. And then we have the fact that Living Tribunal is three times stronger than Multi-Eternity. And then Beyonder is at least ten million times more powerful than him.

Not to mention that Beyonder is possibly Nigh-Omniscient, and the Glory is non-sentient. The Glory has like three abilities than any High 1-B would have, and Beyonder has a pretty decent list of hax. This is a major stomp. The thread should just be closed.

 

[Warren_Valion]

How do you know that The Living Tribunal is three times stronger than Multi-Eternity?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Multi-Eternity, Death, and Infinity are all equal, and they're all aspects of the Living Tribunal. I meant that he's at least three times stronger than Multi-Eternity.

 

[Jockey-1337]

Okay, so Glory holds all infinite dimensions together. It has to select someone to control it if not the Doctor Who "omniverse" will collapse. The Beyonder being the infinite dimensional embodiment of the Beyond Realm is impressive, but considering how the Glory has control over the entire infinite dimensional multiverse, it could do whatever it wants to the Beyond Realm which is technically Beyonder himself. So the difference between Beyonder and the Glory would be like a 3-dimensional human against a 3-dimensional device with reality warping powers.


The Glory stomps.

 

[TakatoBlue]

Okay, so Glory holds all infinite dimensions together. It has to select someone to control it if not the Doctor Who "omniverse" will collapse. The Beyonder being the infinite dimensional embodiment of the Beyond Realm is impressive, but considering how the Glory has control over the entire infinite dimensional multiverse, it could do whatever it wants to the Beyond Realm which is technically Beyonder himself. So the difference between Beyonder and the Glory would be like a 3-dimensional human against a 3-dimensional device with reality warping powers.

The Glory stomps.

/\ This.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

No, that's not at all how that works. Again, first of all, the Glory is non-sentient. He isn't going to even act in this battle, seeing as he is literally non-sentient.

Second of all, nothing suggests that the Glory even holds together a multiverse as remotely big as the Beyond Realm, seeing as a standard infinite-dimensional multiverse with infinite universes is merely a drop of water in the ocean that is the Beyond Realm. To imply that the Glory is actually holding the Beyond Realm together is absurd and is breaching the rule of fictions taking authority over other fictions. The Glory is also haxless compared to Beyonder. You make it sound like the Beyonder doesn't have Reality Warping. The Beyonder even has Concept Manipulation. This is a stomp in Beyonder's favour.

 

[Jockey-1337]

No, that's not at all how that works. Again, first of all, the Glory is non-sentient. He isn't going to even act in this battle, seeing as he is literally non-sentient.
Second of all, nothing suggests that the Glory even holds together a multiverse as remotely big as the Beyond Realm, seeing as a standard infinite-dimensional multiverse with infinite universes is merely a drop of water in the ocean that is the Beyond Realm. To imply that the Glory is actually holding the Beyond Realm together is absurd and is breaching the rule of fictions taking authority over other fictions. The Glory is also haxless compared to Beyonder. You make it sound like the Beyonder doesn't have Reality Warping. The Beyonder even has Concept Manipulation. This is a stomp in Beyonder's favour.

Actually there are many lesser forces in DW-verse who have conceptual sort of stuff.

Also The Glory is sentient. The Master and the Doctor fought for achieving the control over the Glory. The Master won this fight but the Glory denied him. Instead of him Kroton gained control over it (The Glory allowed it).

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

We have seen that the Glory can choose it's owner, not that it even can reason or perform basically thoughts. And show me someone in Doctor Who with Concept Manipulation.

 

[Jockey-1337]

We have seen that the Glory can choose it's owner, not that it even can reason or perform basically thoughts. And show me someone in Doctor Who with Concept Manipulation.

Memeovore, Menti Celesti, Six Guardians.

 

[TakatoBlue]

Actually there are many lesser forces in DW-verse who have conceptual sort of stuff.

Also The Glory is sentient. The Master and the Doctor fought for achieving the control over the Glory. The Master won this fight but the Glory denied him. Instead of him Kroton gained control over it (The Glory allowed it).

Actually, I think it's because the fight between The Doctor and The Master never was a fight for The Glory. It was a fight in The Glory and using some of its powers.

But the true fight for the control over the Glory was between Kroton and the other guy.