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Lets start this one!
Bonus round: The Glory vs Composite Baxter-verse (Xeelee-verse + Manifold-verse).
Bonus round: The Glory vs Composite Baxter-verse (Xeelee-verse + Manifold-verse).
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The Glory (Doctor Who) vs The Downstreamers (Manifold)
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*facepalm* You just can't help to ask 'landmine questions', don't you?
Before we get ahead of ourselves, after checking through Tardiswiki, there are infinite number of dimensions in whoniverse. Lampreys can eat whole multiverse from whoniverse. Which have infinite dimensions. And Guardians of Time are above Lampreys. The Grace are above GoT. And Glory is hilariously above them all.
So, Lampreys = High 1-B. Downstreamers are equal to Lampreys.
And Lampreys<<GoT<<Grace<<Glory
Glory is 4 levels above Downstreamers.
Better match would be vs Lampreys I think.
Hm, I think Whoniverse is in due upgrades
For Bonus? dunno. Stalemate maybe. You just don't know what sort of craziness Downstreamers+Photino Birds+Xeelee+Monads could cook up. Xeelee alone if they were left alone could match Downstreamers in sheer scale.
Maybe Composite Baxter could even win against Glory
Before we get ahead of ourselves, after checking through Tardiswiki, there are infinite number of dimensions in whoniverse. Lampreys can eat whole multiverse from whoniverse. Which have infinite dimensions. And Guardians of Time are above Lampreys. The Grace are above GoT. And Glory is hilariously above them all.
So, Lampreys = High 1-B. Downstreamers are equal to Lampreys.
And Lampreys<<GoT<<Grace<<Glory
Glory is 4 levels above Downstreamers.
Better match would be vs Lampreys I think.
Hm, I think Whoniverse is in due upgrades
For Bonus? dunno. Stalemate maybe. You just don't know what sort of craziness Downstreamers+Photino Birds+Xeelee+Monads could cook up. Xeelee alone if they were left alone could match Downstreamers in sheer scale.
Maybe Composite Baxter could even win against Glory
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BlaLig wrote:
*facepalm* You just can't help to ask 'landmine questions', don't you?
Before we get ahead of ourselves, after checking through Tardiswiki, there are infinite number of dimensions in whoniverse. Lampreys can eat whole multiverse from whoniverse. Which have infinite dimensions. And Guardians of Time are above Lampreys. The Grace are above GoT. And Glory is hilariously above them all.
So, Lampreys = High 1-B. Downstreamers are equal to Lampreys.
And Lampreys<
Glory is 4 levels above Downstreamers.
Better match would be vs Lampreys I think.
Hm, I think Whoniverse is in due upgrades
For Bonus? dunno. Stalemate maybe. You just don't know what sort of craziness Downstreamers+Photino Birds+Xeelee+Monads could cook up. Xeelee alone if they were left alone could match Downstreamers in sheer scale.
Maybe Composite Baxter could even win against Glory
You should create much more topics about content revision.
But I agree. It would be s stalemate. Also, Monads are beings in the Xeelee-verse who can create/destroy/change Type 4 multiverses (High 1-B or 1-A).
*facepalm* You just can't help to ask 'landmine questions', don't you?
Before we get ahead of ourselves, after checking through Tardiswiki, there are infinite number of dimensions in whoniverse. Lampreys can eat whole multiverse from whoniverse. Which have infinite dimensions. And Guardians of Time are above Lampreys. The Grace are above GoT. And Glory is hilariously above them all.
So, Lampreys = High 1-B. Downstreamers are equal to Lampreys.
And Lampreys<
Glory is 4 levels above Downstreamers.
Better match would be vs Lampreys I think.
Hm, I think Whoniverse is in due upgrades
For Bonus? dunno. Stalemate maybe. You just don't know what sort of craziness Downstreamers+Photino Birds+Xeelee+Monads could cook up. Xeelee alone if they were left alone could match Downstreamers in sheer scale.
Maybe Composite Baxter could even win against Glory
You should create much more topics about content revision.
But I agree. It would be s stalemate. Also, Monads are beings in the Xeelee-verse who can create/destroy/change Type 4 multiverses (High 1-B or 1-A).
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*sigh* so much things to revise. I need to scrabble many quotes from threads on SB first though. But eh? Maybe I could become 'whoniverse expert 'indirectly ^_^
Type 4 Multiverse? What is that? You mean Tegmark's Level IV Multiverse or what? If you meant Tegmark's then Downstreamers already created it on first expansion.
Type 4 Multiverse? What is that? You mean Tegmark's Level IV Multiverse or what? If you meant Tegmark's then Downstreamers already created it on first expansion.
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Downstreamers via versatility
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@Jokecy-1337 Tegmark Level IV Multiverse then. How does that make Monads Tier 1-A? does making Level IV Multiverse makes Monads above duality or something? As I said, Downstreamers also made 'Type 4 Multiverse', you don''t see them being in Tier 1-A.
@loyalservantofinti Glory wins. As I said, Downstreamers are more like Lampreys and yet Glory is still above them.
@loyalservantofinti Glory wins. As I said, Downstreamers are more like Lampreys and yet Glory is still above them.
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Yes but Downstreamers are more versatile
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Downstreamers haven't shown ability to rewrite infinite Manifolds at once
Versatility? Sure, but mostly even Post-FVC they still rely on technology to some degree. And they haven't shown resistance to conceptual manipulation.
When there's evidence for them being 'Possibly Tier 1-A' maybe I'd reconsider. Because obviously you won't get 'conceptual manipulation' out of hard SF novel so you need to have Downstreamers transcend the concept of duality altogether for a sure win.
You don't see Glory's versatility because its supposed to have scaling from weaker beings such as Grace, GoT, Lampreys and Time Lords.
Versatility? Sure, but mostly even Post-FVC they still rely on technology to some degree. And they haven't shown resistance to conceptual manipulation.
When there's evidence for them being 'Possibly Tier 1-A' maybe I'd reconsider. Because obviously you won't get 'conceptual manipulation' out of hard SF novel so you need to have Downstreamers transcend the concept of duality altogether for a sure win.
You don't see Glory's versatility because its supposed to have scaling from weaker beings such as Grace, GoT, Lampreys and Time Lords.
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The Glory is a device that constitutes the greatest power in all of the Doctor Who continuity. It has its origins and only appeareance in the DW Comic Strip The Glorious Dead.
The Glory is basically the center of the Omniverse, it's focal point and the thing that holds it together. The Glory has a mind inside of it that acts as its controller, and it has to select a successor from any reality in the Omniverse. If not, ALL REALITIES (i.e. the Omniverse) goes puff.
The Omniverse is the totallity of existence. It includes the Doctor Who Multiverse, Real Life and every single work of fiction you can think of. Just imagine how powerful it is when it can hold all of that together and can control any reality with impunity. The Glory is basically the master control for the Omniverse, and it would be capable of destroying anything bar a true Omnipotent (The One Above All, etc). The Glory has shown that it is the closest nigh-omnipotent to true omnipotence in fiction. It's not Omnipotent because of the fact that it has to select a controller, with the danger of breaking the All down if it doesn't.
Many people say "But has Doctor Who an Omniverse?". This people treat the term "Omniverse" with the meaning of "greater than a Megaverse". Nope. Omniverse means ALL OF FICTION AND REAL LIFE! If you don't understand this, then the true power of the Glory cannot be understood. And if you are gonna say "Prove it!", here I bring you scans from The Glorious Dead to back all of this!:
The Glory is basically the center of the Omniverse, it's focal point and the thing that holds it together. The Glory has a mind inside of it that acts as its controller, and it has to select a successor from any reality in the Omniverse. If not, ALL REALITIES (i.e. the Omniverse) goes puff.
The Omniverse is the totallity of existence. It includes the Doctor Who Multiverse, Real Life and every single work of fiction you can think of. Just imagine how powerful it is when it can hold all of that together and can control any reality with impunity. The Glory is basically the master control for the Omniverse, and it would be capable of destroying anything bar a true Omnipotent (The One Above All, etc). The Glory has shown that it is the closest nigh-omnipotent to true omnipotence in fiction. It's not Omnipotent because of the fact that it has to select a controller, with the danger of breaking the All down if it doesn't.
Many people say "But has Doctor Who an Omniverse?". This people treat the term "Omniverse" with the meaning of "greater than a Megaverse". Nope. Omniverse means ALL OF FICTION AND REAL LIFE! If you don't understand this, then the true power of the Glory cannot be understood. And if you are gonna say "Prove it!", here I bring you scans from The Glorious Dead to back all of this!:
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Why isn't there a verse profile for the Baxter-verse yet?
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Reality - Fiction InteractionBecome the strongest said:
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And apparently, in Doctor Who, an "Omniverse" is an collection of Multiverses
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Jockey-1337It seems I failed in my endeavor to upgrade DWverse. Doesn't affect Glory too much though, since it really is that powerful compared to Grace or GoT for example.
Anyway, I'm curious how Monads could contribute in this fight. Where is the quote that makes them able to manipulate Level IV Multiverse? Monads and Downstreamers may be able to make some ridiculous combination. I heard Level IV multiverse is quite ridiculous. It contains everything that could be described mathematically. And apparently, the 'true form' of things inside the multiverse would be abstract, timeless, and unchanging (like Plato's realm of ideas). So that in its own would make Monads/Downstreamers transcend concepts (in a way, which makes them kinda 1-Aish as you said).
As much as I hate to quote a user from another forums : [Level IV multiverse contains universes with different structures of mathematics than ours, contains sets, structures, or systems that exist beyond spacetime, duality, or existence and nonexistence, contains universes with different fundamental laws of physics than ours, contains universes with different laws of logic or metaphysics than ours, contains universes with wholly alien or incomprehensible concepts, or contains impossible worlds.]
Dunno if that interpretation is true or not. If true then Monads and Downstreamers are much more Tier 1-Aish than I thought.... which would enable Baxter-team to win against Glory.
Anyway, I'm curious how Monads could contribute in this fight. Where is the quote that makes them able to manipulate Level IV Multiverse? Monads and Downstreamers may be able to make some ridiculous combination. I heard Level IV multiverse is quite ridiculous. It contains everything that could be described mathematically. And apparently, the 'true form' of things inside the multiverse would be abstract, timeless, and unchanging (like Plato's realm of ideas). So that in its own would make Monads/Downstreamers transcend concepts (in a way, which makes them kinda 1-Aish as you said).
As much as I hate to quote a user from another forums : [Level IV multiverse contains universes with different structures of mathematics than ours, contains sets, structures, or systems that exist beyond spacetime, duality, or existence and nonexistence, contains universes with different fundamental laws of physics than ours, contains universes with different laws of logic or metaphysics than ours, contains universes with wholly alien or incomprehensible concepts, or contains impossible worlds.]
Dunno if that interpretation is true or not. If true then Monads and Downstreamers are much more Tier 1-Aish than I thought.... which would enable Baxter-team to win against Glory.
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