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The Flash vs Sonic the Hedgehog
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Two universes? Wut? Damn, back then pre crisis DC used to be hundreds of universes...
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post crisis dc downbad
ShakeResounding
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I saw talk of Violet Void being super slow and want to correct that. Violet Void actually makes Sonic faster when he first enters it, then gets slower as it gets bigger.
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How far is Rebirth Wally and Sonic into immeasurable?
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Pre crisis actually had infinite universes.
Post also has infinite universes.
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all i know is that both are above baseline
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I don't know of sonic.
But wally is faster than jay garrick,kid flash,barry allen who could outpace the darkest knight for a while and his also faster than the darkest knight.
Wally is just basically the fastest character in DC comics
ShakeResounding
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Super Sonic can blitz Solaris by attacking before he can even cross his arms to defend himself, and has several means of bolstering or outright multiplying his speed through means of 4x through several techniques (similar techniques to Base Sonic)
Hyper Sonic is faster than Super Sonic can ever be.
Hyper Sonic is faster than Super Sonic can ever be.
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Hmm... should I make a less stompy and different Sonic vs Flash match?
ShakeResounding
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I don't actually think this is a stomp, that word is flung around too much these days. It's become something of a buzzword when a person's favorite character is losing. No shade to anyone here, of course
Also if it's an Archie Sonic match you're planning then it was already done.
Also if it's an Archie Sonic match you're planning then it was already done.
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Nope, completely different
DragonLord
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So if I’m understanding right, Solaris < Super Sonic <<<< Super Sonic with techniques < Hyper Sonic <<<< Hyper Sonic with Techniques?, if so Sonic should be way higher in the fastest speed thread
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Basically. Super Sonic cannot, by any means, be superior in any category to Hyper Sonic. That's exactly why even Classic Hyper Sonic is treated as superior to Modern Super Sonic in terms of stats, and why Hyper has no variable and doesn't go below 2-C or Immeasurable
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DragonLord
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So the Flash is Darkest Knight < Wallace West < Jay Garrick < Barry Allen < Wally West?, I feel there’s more scaling there but that’s what I’ve been told
side note then, Superman should totally be immeasurable going by this considering it’s canon he’s faster then Wallace and Jay
side note then, Superman should totally be immeasurable going by this considering it’s canon he’s faster then Wallace and Jay
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From the looks of it, Sonic was a more impressive scaling chain simply by virtue of some multipliers being involved due to techniques that amplify speed and upscaling from them.
Which would actually make winning by Speed Steal invalid to be added to the profile, as (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Sonic is the faster character.Flash outrunning the Speed Force isn't actually that much of an impressive feat outside of the verse in terms of scaling speed, it's just unquantifiably but higher into Immeasurable
Which would actually make winning by Speed Steal invalid to be added to the profile, as (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Sonic is the faster character.
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Flash may be the Fastest Man, but Sonic is the Fastest Thing Alive
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Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
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Speed steal is still a valid win con, as it's not just amping Wally, it's paralyzing Sonic. Wally wouldn't need to use the speed he gets from speed steal.
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Don't underestimate Wally's scaling chain. Wait a sec, Imma write it, gonna take awhile
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Would adding Super Silver to the scaling chain be accurate considering Sonic is pretty much universally Faster then him?
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So, in human race, Flash ran faster than instant teleportation. Final Crisis, Wally runs faster than he ever did before to beat Darkseid. Bart surpassed that, becoming the White Flash and the embodiment of speed force, amps Barry to feel the Flashpoint, Flash became much faster and fixed it. Wally ****** this whole thing over by outrunning Speed Force. And this all is not accounting for Wally moving so fast in Flash Vol 2 150, that all Pre Crisis heroes, including Superman, who has quite a few of immeasurable feats of his own, can't see him. So yeah, Wally should be the fastest thing alive.
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Just wanna say that he had the speed of everyone, including the speedsters superman and others from Earth.
A good speed steal feat tho.
Scans for this one?
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The infamous infinity breaking feat, sheer speed time travel.
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Doesn't matter since in Final Crisis he ran faster than ever before.
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Sorry, doesn't really ring a bell.
Is it from post crisis?
Is it from post crisis?
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No, but in the same issue where he beat Anti Monitor, he moved faster than all Pre Crisis heroes including Superman could see.
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Yes. Be it in Game or Archie, Super Forms are only treated comparable in terms of strength (and sometimes not even then) and durability. Speed is another matter.
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Going by this it would be like, Flash < Flash (Crisis) < Bart/Speed Force < Flash (Rebirth)?, I don’t think I’m following it well tbh
Right now I think Sonic has 16 Layers into Immeasurable counting the multipliers, maybe even higher with the rest of his speed amps
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16 layers? Since then?
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1 (Solaris) + 1 (Super Silver) + 1 (Super Sonic) x4 (Super Peel Out) + 1 (Hyper Sonic) x 4 (Super Peel Out) I think it be, not sure if that’s how it would work
my calculator is odd, that math would be 52 lol
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Super Peel out Quadruples the speed, so it's:
Solaris <<< Super Silver < Super Sonic <<<<< Super Sonic (with Super Peel Out) (By 4 times) << Super Sonic with Boost and Super Peel Out <<<<<< Hyper Sonic <<< Hyper Sonic (with Super Peel Out) (By 4 times) << Hyper Sonic with Super Peel Out and Boost
DragonLord
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Honestly if you count every speed amp Sonic ever had this could probably be even more ridiculous
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Yeah. Hyper Sonic is faster than Hyper Knuckles, and Hyper Knuckles is still >>>>> Super Shadow without inhibitor rings, who is >>>> Base Super Shadow and far faster than Super Sonic, likely even after a Super Peel Out
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Bold of you to assume he was slow.
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he is slow 
DragonLord
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Damn, I think the only thing that could contend with that is The Archie Great Harmony Chaos Emeralds being like countlessly above baseline due to them being the emeralds fused iirc?
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I’m not. I just think it’s cool to see how fast people can get him by putting speed amps on his alr fast transformations
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