The Elder Scrolls General Discussion Thread

[Tomfer]

So, what's the reason so few mods are interested in the verse these days? I swear I saw a few of them in the older threads.

Just spoken to Ultima in discord, and he said that he will revise The Elder Scrolls eventually, so no need to worry about that. (If it's going to take a few months or years, that's another thing, lmao)

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

Just spoken to Ultima in discord, and he said that he will revise The Elder Scrolls eventually, so no need to worry about that. (If it's going to take a few months or years, that's another thing, lmao)

Oh we know about the upcoming revisions in a few billions years but we all have different ideas on where it should scale….plus we’re hungry for these new revisions and to discuss the lore and scaling

 

[HelloThere1089]

I can't take another "Alduin looked small in game" ahh argument.

 

[Tomfer]

Oh we know about the upcoming revisions in a few billions years but we all have different ideas on where it should scale….

There's a current discussion? (Besides of your crt that is from freaking 2023 lmao)

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

There's a current discussion? (Besides of your crt that is from freaking 2023 lmao)

Surprisingly yeah. This thread and the fact my crt somehow still has activity is a testament to it. There’s even other crts out for it.

 

[Antvasima]

Should we link to this thread or the following thread at the bottom of the Elder Scrolls verse page in our wiki?

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Never mind. I suppose that we will stick with this one given that it seems to pick up in activity.

Should I close the preceding discussion thread for this verse?

 

[HelloThere1089]

Never mind. I suppose that we will stick with this one given that it seems to pick up in activity.

Should I close the preceding discussion thread for this verse?

I think that would be fine if you want to eliminate confusion.

 

[AlexZiggy]

The Numidium also erases people out of MEMORY the Star Orphan as well. She was Mnemoli and was retroactively made into MEMORY by Sotha Sil:



Star Orphan Lore.

So you could argue big stompy erases them out of the “narrative”. Cal also states that the Brass God transcends the Aurbis much like how CHIM does:



There’s also the fact that CHIM users like Jubal and Vivec have Plot manipulation. So, there’s the explanation for High 1-A Numidium and some possible additions to the numidium and ruling kings. There also High 1-A Namira. Then we’ve got Light manipulation for the Razor (pretty minor, I know), Nocturnal “predates” oblivion and was was born from Namira’s dark heart.

You also have Y'ffre Spinsters for plot hax

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

Elaborating on the High 1-A Namira implications because why not? Namira’s Dark Heart is a piece of the Primal Void. The same Void that’s beyond Mundus, Oblivion, Aetherius, and the Aurbis as a whole. Namira corrupted both Lorkhan and other Et’ada like Y’ffre. Harnessing the power of the heart is tapping into the infinite churning chaos of the void. Namira is the Great Darkness, Eldest Spirit, and Lady of infinite realms. She considers herself the rightful ruler of all spirits and it’s backed up in the lore of Khajiti and Reachman myths. She’s also an avatar of all primal dualism and they all flow from her realm. It’s stated that the Ur-dra nocturnal was born from the primordial void and this is backed up in the Khajiti myths when it’s said that nocturnal was born from The Dark Heart which again is a piece of the primal void. Even small details about Namira’s power were proven true in eso. Keep in mind that it was confirmed to be Namira’s power that the dark heart stems from. If Rada Al Saran has fully awakened the Dark Heart then he would have Infinite power and conquer the Aurbis.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Here are the semi-finished new profiles that likely still need updating given the new standards for 1-A.

Nerevarine

The Dovahkiin

The Vestige

Pelinal Whitestrake

Barbas

Mannimarco

Y’frre

Mankar Camoran

Vivec

1-A Dawn Era and Oblivion explanation

I am still of an opinion that the dragon born has enough narrative backing to give him a "possibly high 1-B" ratting at least but hey its better than what we have for him now.

 

[HelloThere1089]

I am still of an opinion that the dragon born has enough narrative backing to give him a "possibly high 1-B" ratting at least but hey its better than what we have for him now.

Isn't there a Dragonborn > Daedric princes meta

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Isn't there a Dragonborn > Daedric princes meta

oh yeah, it goes dragonborn post miraak>dragonborn post black books>= miraak>>dragonborn pre black books>= alduin>> all the daedric princes.

 

[Tomfer]

I think an outright High 1-B is best here, why only "possibly"?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

I think an outright High 1-B is best here, why only "possibly"?

I mean there is a lot of debate around the topic and the constant back and forth CRT's are a pain in the ass for everyone to go through every time someone disagrees with the rating, simply having a possibly for the dragonborn pleases both parties and prevents the rigamarole of them CRT's.......... plusitgivesusfarmorepotentialmatchupsforthefuture

 

[HelloThere1089]

oh yeah, it goes dragonborn post miraak>dragonborn post black books>= miraak>>dragonborn pre black books>= alduin>> all the daedric princes.

And the only contention is the Alduin size argument?

 

[HelloThere1089]

How do y'all personally rank the 6 protagonists according to AP.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

And the only contention is the Alduin size argument?

its more than that but it boils down to about 8 THOUSAND metric tons of sementics so it will take a while.

 

[HelloThere1089]

its more than that but it boils down to about 8 THOUSAND metric tons of sementics so it will take a while.

This is so sad ngl.

 

[Tomfer]

I mean there is a lot of debate around the topic and the constant back and forth CRT's are a pain in the ass for everyone to go through every time someone disagrees with the rating, simply having a possibly for the dragonborn pleases both parties and prevents the rigamarole of them CRT's.......... plusitgivesusfarmorepotentialmatchupsforthefuture

Dunno, these compromises only aid inaccuracies IMO, but I'll let more knowledgeable people debate and decide.

How do y'all personally rank the 6 protagonists according to AP.

I wouldn't rank them in AP, but personal favorite/hax-wise I think Nerevarine is top 1.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

How do y'all personally rank the 6 protagonists according to AP.

eh well depends if its during or post their respective games
during
6: hero of the arena
5: the agent
4: hero of kvatch
3: the vestige
2: the nerevarine
1: The dovakhin

post
6: hero of the arena
5: the agent
4: the vestige
3: hero of kvatch/the dovakhin
2: the dovakhin/hero of kvatch
1: the nerevarine

during game is self explenatory I'd say post game is more interesting because the debate of weather or not the dragonborn is the stronger than all the princes is up for debate but I personally have him on that near top of the scale meaning he should be comperable if not outright stronger than new sheo and the nerevarine achives CHIM so he wins by default.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Nerevarine sounds cracked

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Nerevarine sounds cracked

that's cuse he is

 

[XitSign]

eh well depends if its during or post their respective games
during
6: hero of the arena
5: the agent
4: hero of kvatch
3: the vestige
2: the nerevarine
1: The dovakhin

post
6: hero of the arena
5: the agent
4: the vestige
3: hero of kvatch/the dovakhin
2: the dovakhin/hero of kvatch
1: the nerevarine

during game is self explenatory I'd say post game is more interesting because the debate of weather or not the dragonborn is the stronger than all the princes is up for debate but I personally have him on that near top of the scale meaning he should be comperable if not outright stronger than new sheo and the nerevarine achives CHIM so he wins by default.

The Nerevarine achived CHIM? I'm a massive casual, I don't remember where and when that happens

 

[Tomfer]

Can't wait for the Nerevarine's profile revision just so I can say "Nerevarine stomps, close thread" in every versus thread possible.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

The Nerevarine achived CHIM? I'm a massive casual, I don't remember where and when that happens

C0DA

and just a heads up, don't read it, not right now.... Go through like 90%+ of the lore and then dive into it cuse that thing is a trip and then some.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Can't wait for the Nerevarine's profile revision just so I can say "Nerevarine stomps, close thread" in every versus thread possible.

I mean dude even just being a prisoner and the whole flood of BULLSHIТERY that intails is enough to make any fight on the same tier level an instant stomp 90% of the time.

 

[Tomfer]

I mean dude even just being a prisoner and the whole flood of BULLSHIТERY that intails is enough to make any fight on the same tier level an instant stomp 90% of the time.

Morrowind in it's entirety was, indeed, a flood of bullshitery.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

I think an outright High 1-B is best here, why only "possibly"?

Not enough people supported it last time. Ultima agrees with High 1-B Dovahkiin. If he started the thread today using the arguments i presented and the ones of his own then it would likely be accepted. —There’s also the fact that you could argue 1-A Dovahkiin but let’s not get ahead of ourselves—

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

Nerevarine sounds cracked

The thing is that you could argue he’s High 1-B maybe 1-A as well. He’s able to kill Divayth Fyr who claims that that he could beat a prince in combat. He was also able to hold off Nocturnal from consuming the whole clockwork city in ESO in front of us along with him being so powerful that he was noticed instantly by nocturnal in her realm due to his near “infinite power”. He also survived a
Daedric tempest which literally no mortal can do unless they have godlike power. In the sermons, Nerevar goes to the moons to battle them and manages to destroy most of their surface while battling back the moon manipulating the laws of nature on them.

The moon does not recognize crowns or scepters,’ they said, ‘nor the representatives of kingdoms below, lion or serpent or mathematician. We are the graves of those that have migrated and become ancient countries. We seek no Queens or thrones. Your appearance is decidedly solar, which is to say a library of stolen ideas. We are neither tear nor sorrow. Our revolution succeeded in the manner that is was written. You are the Hortator and unwelcome here.’

And so Nerevar carved at the grave ghosts until he was out of breath and their Parliament could make no new laws.

He said, ‘I am not of the slaves that perish.’

Of the members of Parliament only a few survived the Hortator’s attack.

Hircine in bloodmoon also warped the position of the moons in the sky and changed their color (much likes Ahzidal’s dawn magics in my CRT which is a clear high 1-B feat). You could also that the aspects of Hircine weren’t mere fractions of his power but actually fighting the full power of those aspects. Like if we choose the aspect of strength then we’re literally fighting his 1-A AP or for speed his immeasurable speed.

Perhaps we can get High 1-B/1A Dagoth Ur

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Not enough people supported it last time. Ultima agrees with High 1-B Dovahkiin. If he started the thread today using the arguments i presented and the ones of his own then it would likely be accepted. —There’s also the fact that you could argue 1-A Dovahkiin but let’s not get ahead of ourselves—

Oh you can argue him WAAAAAY higher but lets not reeeeaally get ahead of ourselves

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Hircine in bloodmoon also warped the position of the moons in the sky and changed their color (much likes Ahzidal’s dawn magics in my CRT which is a clear high 1-B feat). You could also that the aspects of Hircine weren’t mere fractions of his power but actually fighting the full power of those aspects. Like if we choose the aspect of strength then we’re literally fighting his 1-A AP or for speed his immeasurable speed.

I mean I'd say its safer to say that the aspects are high 1-B in their scale since they are still aspects and we don't know just how much power hircine put into those things but it is a safe bet to say they are at least high 1-B based on the whole blood moon thing being a pre-requisite to them being able to walk on nirn in the first place so they are likely in possession of more power than is required to change and move the moons.

Perhaps we can get High 1-B/1A Dagoth Ur

I mean in all honesty you can potentially argue high 1-A with all his anti-CHIM, the flase dreamer and the sharmat nonesense as he is capable of flat out telling CHIMed up viviec to shove his spear where the magnus didn't dame to go.