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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

VeryGoofyToddler said:
Thus is still below the White Hot Room, House of Ideas, the Land, and Dominions.
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IDK, the house of ideas has big anti-feats.

Everything12 said:
There is no room for scepticism here. It's straight from the horse's mouth, there is an avatar and a true form. Even included the Japanese so there is no argument over what it means by part, it means an avatar/alter ego and is a word that is usually used in reference to a god's ability to create avatars. Of particular note, it is used to refer to the Buddha's ability to appear in multiple forms to save people.
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What I am skeptical of is the true spirit's relationship with the world (it all exists in his mind/heart). All the information comes from a single dialogue instance of a random unamed npc (a dialogue that is very confusing vague ex. the bit about pokemon marrying humans). We don't see such relationship mentioned anywhere else in the franchise.

G33kedzinx said:
There’s also heaps of evidence that support R>F in SMT but In the P5, this world also includes mementos, which represents a shared mental realm shaped by society's distortions. Within this realm are countless archetypes, fundamental symbols that exist beyond time and space. It's something like entering a dimensionless space where these archetypes, similar to Plato's ideas, transcend usual understanding of reality.And as you said there’s also the fact that the great reason purposely granted humanity gods slayers/messiahs
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In both SMT 5 and Persona 5, they speak on ideas of human world's perception shaping demons and the demon world/metaverse. To me, this always strike against the demons being platonic concepts, because if they are shaped by human perception then they aren't really independent. Not to mention in SMT 5, you can destroy the throne and demon world, and the human world will remain.
 
In SMT, when Seraph reaches Nirvana and realizes the world (the axiom) is me and I’m the world?

Is this not monadic (enlightenment?)

Their original forms, Serph and Sera, are reincarnated. But Seraph, escapes the cycle.

(Would this not at least be 1 tier above 1-A?)

High 1-A?
Iamunanimousinthat said:
IDK, the house of ideas has big anti-feats.


What I am skeptical of is the true spirit's relationship with the world (it all exists in his mind/heart). All the information comes from a single dialogue instance of a random unamed npc (a dialogue that is very confusing vague ex. the bit about pokemon marrying humans). We don't see such relationship mentioned anywhere else in the franchise.



In both SMT 5 and Persona 5, they speak on ideas of human world's perception shaping demons and the demon world/metaverse. To me, this always strike against the demons being platonic concepts, because if they are shaped by human perception then they aren't really independent. Not to mention in SMT 5, you can destroy the throne and demon world, and the human world will remain.
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And similarly here, the protagonist you played as in SMT 5 (in this ending) exists separate from the new him he created in a world for humans, without demons?

I understand SMT has many common threads between games.
 
Everything12 said:
Edit: Though technically their right, it's Arceus' Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 2 that was the initial argument for 1-A, it's just the whole perceiving the world Reality-Fiction thing serves as good supporting evidence of the rating.
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Do note that BDE Type 2 alone now would only reach Low 1-A.
 
VeryGoofyToddler said:
Divine Simplicity is the easiest explanation. That the divine is not of properties nor of any conformant of compositions about its physical or metaphysical nature.

Monad as Ultima describes it is the single origin point, an ineffable point beyond anything as the one and only true substance like the idea of Brahman in Hinduism.
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would divine simplicity have a page on the wiki explaining it?
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
man, this shit confuses me. Won't stop me from trying to get alien x to boundless /j
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Most likely impossible because there can be only one boundless being in cosmos {if they remove this disqualification , then statment for limitless power of Alien X can be used as it's 15 % and 100% both are equally limitless}


But best of luck for trying
 
Tdjwo said:
No character in Ben 10 qualifies for tier 0
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Alien X (Wanked)

Alien X is IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT, and not bound by the limits and bounds of regular omnipotence! (Alien X Has Omnipotence^True Infinity x Omnipotence^True Infinity, So He Can Do Beyond Everything And Anything. Forever). He's above TOAA, Kami Tenchi, The Writer and Azathoth, because anything that he...
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Doesn’t the existence of other celestial - sapiens automatically prevent Alien X from ever reaching Tier 0 if Monad is accepted as the determining factor?
Reiner04 said:
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Alien X (Wanked)

Alien X is IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT, and not bound by the limits and bounds of regular omnipotence! (Alien X Has Omnipotence^True Infinity x Omnipotence^True Infinity, So He Can Do Beyond Everything And Anything. Forever). He's above TOAA, Kami Tenchi, The Writer and Azathoth, because anything that he...
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Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
I’d win
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Reiner04 said:
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Alien X (Wanked)

Alien X is IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT, and not bound by the limits and bounds of regular omnipotence! (Alien X Has Omnipotence^True Infinity x Omnipotence^True Infinity, So He Can Do Beyond Everything And Anything. Forever). He's above TOAA, Kami Tenchi, The Writer and Azathoth, because anything that he...
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This isn't wanked
This is just a piece of shit 🤦
 
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