The Boys: Homelander massive downgrade and Small Town Level calc problems

[Cryo123]

For anyone wondering, I posted it in the calculation evaluation thread, but you can check it out here.

 

[DarlingAurora]

I made my version too.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

MFW I check back on all this and 1. I didn't realize the calc didn't divide by 2 cuz it wasn't explicitly nuclear and 2. we got two completely different calcs on the same feat

 

[DarlingAurora]

MFW I check back on all this and 1. I didn't realize the calc didn't divide by 2 cuz it wasn't explicitly nuclear and 2. we got two completely different calcs on the same feat

Well, the explosion can be likely nuclear since some radiation thing, but I'm still unsure of this..
Also yeah, some calcs are assuming the height of the storey, but I still think that calc the actual size of that storey/glass is better, but i don't know.. that's why there exists various calcs of the feat, also some issues with the quality and etc..

 

[Cryo123]

I made my version too.

Not sure how your version is 109 times lower than mine. Are you sure your pixel scaling is accurate?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Not sure how your version is 109 times lower than mine. Are you sure your pixel scaling is accurate?

Measuring it myself, yes it is accurate. Both pixel scalings are accurate. The problem lies in the fact of what you two are counting as stories. Shizuka is measuring based on the square window things, yours is based on the distance between the sort of sections on the tower. Kind of hard for me to word but hopefully that covers why the calcs are so different. Kind of hard to say which is correct because both can be considered "accurate" since they're both scaling based on different things kind of.

Also your calc says it was Marvel Future Fighting Gamer's calc when it links to Psychomaster35's

 

[DarlingAurora]

Measuring it myself, yes it is accurate. Both pixel scalings are accurate. The problem lies in the fact of what you two are counting as stories. Shizuka is measuring based on the square window things, yours is based on the distance between the sort of sections on the tower. Kind of hard for me to word but hopefully that covers why the calcs are so different. Kind of hard to say which is correct because both can be considered "accurate" since they're both scaling based on different things kind of.

Also your calc says it was Marvel Future Fighting Gamer's calc when it links to Psychomaster35's

Also this.

As I say in the calc, the issue is the quality.
Since the quality is bad, Psycho measured only a small part of the window, when that part is much smaller than the diamond-shaped glass that is 2.4 meters tall..
That's why I did another pixel-scaling with 4k screenshots of the scene.

 

[Cryo123]

Measuring it myself, yes it is accurate. Both pixel scalings are accurate. The problem lies in the fact of what you two are counting as stories. Shizuka is measuring based on the square window things, yours is based on the distance between the sort of sections on the tower. Kind of hard for me to word but hopefully that covers why the calcs are so different. Kind of hard to say which is correct because both can be considered "accurate" since they're both scaling based on different things kind of.

Also your calc says it was Marvel Future Fighting Gamer's calc when it links to Psychomaster35's

XD

Edit: The reason is because while Psychomaster made the calc, Marvel Future Fighting Gamer was the one who linked me the calc so I assumed it was his lmao.

 

[Cryo123]

Also this.

As I say in the calc, the issue is the quality.
Since the quality is bad, Psycho measured only a small part of the window, when that part is much smaller than the diamond-shaped glass that is 2.4 meters tall..
That's why I did another pixel-scaling with 4k screenshots of the scene.

Even then, we're talking about the difference between 2-3 times at most, not 100.

 

[DarlingAurora]

Even then, we're talking about the difference between 2-3 times at most, not 100.

The diamond-shaped glass in the Psycho pixel-scaling is like 25px, and assuming that only 10px of the image are 4.3 meters tall.. can actually make a 100 times difference depending on the circumstances..

 

[DarlingAurora]

Like..

(2.4/25)*548 = 52.60800 meters
(2.4/10)*548 = 131.52 meters

for explosions..

((((0.05260800/2)/0.28)^3)/1000) = 0.829070178 tons of tnt
((((0.13152/2)/0.28)^3)/1000) = 12.9542215 tons of tnt

see? that's the issue..

 

[DarlingAurora]

For anyone wondering, I posted it in the calculation evaluation thread, but you can check it out here.

Also, you need to use the radius of the explosion, not the diameter

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Honestly, the size scaling here is kind of weird. The light of the explosion seemingly reveals tinier squares inside of the larger squares, what I suspect to be the squares you actually calced given we don't see tinier squares in the initial size calc:

The tinier square is seemingly 46 px tall (2.44272340351 m) and using that 2019 px, it'd be:

(2.44272340351/46)*2019=107.214316341 m (Radius of 53.6071581705 m)

((0.0536071581705/0.28)^3/1000=0.00000701769 megatons or 7.01769 tons of tnt (Building+) (Nuclear)

7.01769/2=3.508845 (Building) (Non-Nuclear)

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

... Man, I am confused on which one is the most accurate calc. I just came here to see The Boys (TV) get upgraded by a bit.

 

[DarlingAurora]

Honestly, the size scaling here is kind of weird. The light of the explosion seemingly reveals tinier squares inside of the larger squares, what I suspect to be the squares you actually calced given we don't see tinier squares in the initial size calc:

The tinier square is seemingly 46 px tall (2.44272340351 m) and using that 2019 px, it'd be:

(2.44272340351/46)*2019=107.214316341 m (Radius of 53.6071581705 m)

((0.0536071581705/0.28)^3/1000=0.00000701769 megatons or 7.01769 tons of tnt (Building+) (Nuclear)

7.01769/2=3.508845 (Building) (Non-Nuclear)

I'm pretty sure that the tinier diamond-shaped glasses are destroyed by the explosion.
These are much more thick than the one that are 2.4 meters tall.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I'm pretty sure that the tinier diamond-shaped glasses are destroyed y the explosion.
These are much more thick than the one that are 2.4 meters tall.

Well nevermind then lol. That's my bad

 

[DarlingAurora]

Well nevermind then lol. That's my bad

It's fine!

 

[Scottycj256]

also we wouldnt have to divide by 2 for Soldier Boy's blasts since its raw radiation blasting out of his chest rather than just a generic energy beam

 

[DarlingAurora]

also we wouldnt have to divide by 2 for Soldier Boy's blasts since its raw radiation blasting out of his chest rather than just a generic energy beam

I already did that.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Nice. 8-A Homelander (+ others) with a new resistance being added!

 

[DarlingAurora]

What—

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

What—

Oops! Past me just didn't notice your calc (which gave a much lower result) until now-ish.

 

[DarlingAurora]

Through, If we use the Cryo calc still gives baseline 8-B since he used the diameter of the explosion and not the radius..

 

[Skyggen]

Também fiz minha versão .

At first, I think your calculation is the most accurate.
I think I may have found the reason why Psychomaster35 and Cryo123's calculation gave such disparate results.

Look the image. I think only half of the window squares were used. We can look at the same line where the 10 pixels were measured and see dark lines forming only half of the squares on the side.

If that's the case, 2.44272340351= 20 pixels, not 10. Cryo123 also used diameter instead of radius. I will recalculate using the numbers obtained by Shizuka, Cryo123 and Psychomaster35 in their posts.

2.44272340351/20 = 0.12213617017.
0.12213617017 x 548 = 66.9306212532 meters of diameter = 0.0334653106266 km of radius.
(0,0334653106266/0,28)^3/1000 = 0.0000017073 megatons = 1.7073 tons of TNT.

Building Level+.


It seems consistent with the Homelander feat I recalculated at the beginning of this post.


@Shizuka @Cryo123 Thoughts? All just my opinion for now, I would like to know if you find any sense in this.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

If this is the case... Nice. Now, I wonder if it could be possible for that calc to be upscaled into Baseline Large Building Tier via a 1.2x or 1.3x multiplier since Homelander's feat of enduring the explosion was extremely casual, after all. Barring that, Maeve and SB would scale to the calc via harming Homelander, and upscaling Homelander to High 8-C to showcase his superiority over them might make sense.

Or not, and I could just be talking out my bum... EDIT: Also, if this was talking about SB's explosion and not the former small town level calc that got reduced to building level, my bad. Brain farted, but my point still stands. I think.

 

[DarlingAurora]

At first, I think your calculation is the most accurate.
I think I may have found the reason why Psychomaster35 and Cryo123's calculation gave such disparate results.

Look the image. I think only half of the window squares were used. We can look at the same line where the 10 pixels were measured and see dark lines forming only half of the squares on the side.

If that's the case, 2.44272340351= 20 pixels, not 10. If that's the case, 2.44272340351= 20 pixels, not 10. Cryo123 also used diameter instead of radius. I will recalculate using the numbers obtained by Shizuka, Cryo123 and Psychomaster35 in their posts.

2.44272340351/20 = 0.12213617017.
0.12213617017 x 548 = 66.9306212532 meters of diameter = 0.0334653106266 km of radius.
(0,0334653106266/0,28)^3/1000 = 0.0000017073 megatons = 1.7073 tons of TNT.

Building Level+.


It seems consistent with the Homelander feat I recalculated at the beginning of this post.


@Shizuka @Cryo123 Thoughts? All just my opinion for now, I would like to know if you find any sense in this.

Well, we can see the entire glass size, which is the one that I put on the blog, that is 25px

 

[Cryo123]

At first, I think your calculation is the most accurate.
I think I may have found the reason why Psychomaster35 and Cryo123's calculation gave such disparate results.

Look the image. I think only half of the window squares were used. We can look at the same line where the 10 pixels were measured and see dark lines forming only half of the squares on the side.

If that's the case, 2.44272340351= 20 pixels, not 10. If that's the case, 2.44272340351= 20 pixels, not 10. Cryo123 also used diameter instead of radius. I will recalculate using the numbers obtained by Shizuka, Cryo123 and Psychomaster35 in their posts.

2.44272340351/20 = 0.12213617017.
0.12213617017 x 548 = 66.9306212532 meters of diameter = 0.0334653106266 km of radius.
(0,0334653106266/0,28)^3/1000 = 0.0000017073 megatons = 1.7073 tons of TNT.

Building Level+.


It seems consistent with the Homelander feat I recalculated at the beginning of this post.


@Shizuka @Cryo123 Thoughts? All just my opinion for now, I would like to know if you find any sense in this.

Yeah my City Block Level calc has been thuroughly disproven, at a glance, this looks good.

 

[Skyggen]

If this is the case... Nice. Now, I wonder if it could be possible for that calc to be upscaled into Baseline Large Building Tier via a 1.2x or 1.3x multiplier since Homelander's feat of enduring the explosion was extremely casual, after all. Barring that, Maeve and SB would scale to the calc via harming Homelander, and upscaling Homelander to High 8-C to showcase his superiority over them might make sense.

Or not, and I could just be talking out my bum... EDIT: Also, if this was talking about SB's explosion and not the former small town level calc that got reduced to building level, my bad. Brain farted, but my point still stands. I think.

I suppose it would make sense to put Homelander as "at least building level+, likely higher", or something like that?

 

[DarlingAurora]

Hi? what about my version? ;-;

 

[Skyggen]

Hi? what about my version? ;-;

Seems good to me. Maybe you can post your calc here. Or someone can mark the staff to examine (if possible)?

 

[DarlingAurora]

Seems good to me. Maybe you can post your calc here. Or someone can mark the staff to examine (if possible)?

I already did that

 

[Cryo123]

Re-watching the episode where the Chemical Plant explodes, it is clear that the entire plant was fragmented. I have done a lower end calc using 8 joule/cm^3 that got 17 tons of tnt for the blast, but I think the 8A calc is more accurate to the feat given the large amount of steel in the plant.

For reference, jump to 0:53 in this video

 

[Cryo123]

And also, if you look up "how tall is Vought tower", it says the building is 1,652 feet tall, with 138 stories. This comes out to 11.9710144928 feet per storey or 3.64876521740544 meters per storey. This can

1. Provide an objective canon size to use when calculating the explosion's size.
2. Allow someone to actually calc the energy to bring down Vought Tower, like Solder Boy claims he was going to.

Edit: There's also this site, which has Vought Tower Side by side with the Empire state building, showing it to be taller in total, but the main building is still smaller than the building + the tip. I'll calc that soon.

 

[DarlingAurora]

And also, if you look up "how tall is Vought tower", it says the building is 1,652 feet tall, with 138 stories. This comes out to 11.9710144928 feet per storey or 3.64876521740544 meters per storey. This can

1. Provide an objective canon size to use when calculating the explosion's size.
2. Allow someone to actually calc the energy to bring down Vought Tower, like Solder Boy claims he was going to.

Edit: There's also this site, which has Vought Tower Side by side with the Empire state building, showing it to be taller in total, but the main building is still smaller than the building + the tip. I'll calc that soon.

I don't think that it works for the explosion size, if not the glass would've that much big and it doesn't would to make sense..