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Yeah the only time he got hit is literally the point blank blast through his chest...
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He also states that he can handle all kido he throws at him from the exact same range.The whole point of the fight was Tsukishima outsmarting Byakuya rather than outpacing him because he had experienced his techniques countless times.Yeah the only time he got hit is literally the point blank blast through his chest...
Exept he did dodge a 2x attack so saying he didn't is a lieHe also states that he can handle all kido he throws at him from the exact same range.The whole point of the fight was Tsukishima outsmarting Byakuya rather than outpacing him because he had experienced his techniques countless times.
In CFYOW,Ginjo is able to outpace Gran Rey Cero but Tsukishima tactically manoevures it so its not about Tsukishima being faster.
And nor do I think they wouldAnd - even we did accept this - I reiterate that this should not apply to the version of Tsukishima that Fullbring Ichigo fought against.
The point is he still needs to be fast enough to dodge it. And again a 2x speed is nothing.He also states that he can handle all kido he throws at him from the exact same range.The whole point of the fight was Tsukishima outsmarting Byakuya rather than outpacing him because he had experienced his techniques countless times.
In CFYOW,Ginjo is able to outpace Gran Rey Cero but Tsukishima tactically manoevures it so its not about Tsukishima being faster.
And - even we did accept this - I reiterate that this should not apply to the version of Tsukishima that Fullbring Ichigo fought against.
And again a 2x speed is nothing.
Why would Ichigo not scale?
We run into a scaling contradiction. Just as there is a feat of Tsukishima keeping up with Byakuya's doubled Bankai speed, we have multiple feats of Byakuya keeping up with Tsukishima's speed.Tsukishima does scales.
Tsukishima also said that with the palm the speed is more than a "x2" and he was still keeping up and was not even concerned whatsoever, so him scaling to x2 is fine.
What is this tho?Because Tsukishima grew stronger as a result of training countless times with Byakuya.
If you'd read my big post breaking down the fight, you'd have seen it.What is this tho?
Byakuya during the whole fight never caught up to tsukishima not even when he double the speed, time he caught him and only wound he gave him was the last one where byakuya hid the bladesWe run into a scaling contradiction. Just as there is a feat of Tsukishima keeping up with Byakuya's doubled Bankai speed, we have multiple feats of Byakuya keeping up with Tsukishima's speed.
You end up with Byakuya = 2x Byakuya.
Byakuya during the whole fight never caught up to tsukishima not even when he double the speed, time he caught him and only wound he gave him was the last one where byakuya hid the blades
Yea, I read it againHe says his skill has improved. I don’t recall his fullbringer giving him some form of reactive power level. But if you were to argue that people can just say he must be Aizen level since he beat him according to Orihime.
???Saying that Tsukishima is fast enough to evade Byakuya's techniques is like saying he is strong enough to tank Senkei,Gokei and Hakuteiken.
Arent u claiming that Tsukishima still has to be fast enough to evade Byakuya even tho he has prior knowledge of all his techniques?
Obviously, knowing what’s coming doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t move fast enough. It’s pretty basic scaling logic.Arent u claiming that Tsukishima still has to be fast enough to evade Byakuya even tho he has prior knowledge of all his techniques?
Then I said that in reponse to this claim^Obviously, knowing what’s coming doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t move fast enough.
And I responded like that because I literally didn’t understand the relevance. If he isn’t strong enough to resist it head on then he’d be dead or do you believe with his experience gained he will tank it?Then I said that in reponse to this claim^
No I believe that his experience would allow him to avoid them.And I responded like that because I literally didn’t understand the relevance. If he isn’t strong enough to resist it head on then he’d be dead or do you believe with his experience gained he will tank it?
That has nothing to do with tanking like you asked...No I believe that his experience would allow him to avoid them.
Obviously, knowing what’s coming doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t move fast enough. It’s pretty basic scaling logic.
he just get better at fighting him. That's the context
I don’t see how this relates? We have a AP and DC for that. That’s not basic scaling at all.Sorry, but this is like saying "If you shoot a planet level blast at the ground, obviously the planet will blow up. It's pretty basic scaling logic." But this isn't always the case in fiction, which is why we have conventions like the AOE Fallacy which means that is isn't always the case.
Focusing too much on Tsukishima keeping up with Byakuya's Bankai and ignoring the entire rest of the fight, is like focusing on a character have a Building level destruction feat and ignoring the rest of the context that makes them scale much higher than that.I don’t see how this relates? We have a AP and DC for that.
I was trynna say that by ur logic of Tsukishima being fast enough to evade Byakuya's techniques would mean that he'd also be strong enough to tank Senkei,Gokei etc.I believe that he's able to predict Byakuya's moves due to fighting him countless times and then manoevuring accordingly.That has nothing to do with tanking like you asked...
No - I'm saying that contextually speaking Tsukishima is a perfect counter for Byakuya's Shikai/Bankai because of his countless amount of experience in fighting it.So we just gonna ignore he did dodge it? Ok
U are using a false =I was trynna say that by ur logic of Tsukishima being fast enough to evade Byakuya's techniques would mean that he'd also be strong enough to tank Senkei,Gokei etc.I believe that he's able to predict Byakuya's moves due to fighting him countless times and then manoevuring accordingly.
Sorry for being unclear.Anyways,I've said what I wanted to for now.
Care to explain to me how you predict random hand movements? He doesn’t have precog. You’d have a point if it was some linear attack.I was trynna say that by ur logic of Tsukishima being fast enough to evade Byakuya's techniques would mean that he'd also be strong enough to tank Senkei,Gokei etc.I believe that he's able to predict Byakuya's moves due to fighting him countless times and then manoevuring accordingly.
Sorry for being unclear.Anyways,I've said what I wanted to for now.
There is also the fact that tsukishima multiple times entered the danger zoneNo - I'm saying that contextually speaking Tsukishima is a perfect counter for Byakuya's Shikai/Bankai because of his countless amount of experience in fighting it.
It doesn't mean that he'd react as well against something unrelated that's as fast.
Byakuya keeping up with Tsukishima, and Tsukishima keeping up with Byakuya should mean that they're on par with each other. We shouldn't just rate Tsukishima as being double Byakuya's speed because of one feat. Especially since we also have a feat right after this of Tsukishima being blitzed by Byakuya's Bankai.
No kiddingThese ratings confuse me. Somehow Ichigo speed is lower than he is in arrancar arc in his power restored key? Some Captains are like Mach 100 in the TYBW. It’s amazing how ****** these ratings have become with the removal of like every feat.
These ratings confuse me. Somehow Ichigo speed is lower than he is in arrancar arc in his power restored key? Some Captains are like Mach 100 in the TYBW. It’s amazing how ****** these ratings have become with the removal of like every feat.
As I've explained before, the ratings in the sandboxes aren't finalized. They'll be updated as we progress through the discussions on this thread.No kidding