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The Beast has most likely range and hax advantage so I must go for him
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The Beast vs Toshiro Hitsugaya
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I'm pretty sure a slideshow of the Beast doing his thing isn't an accurate representation of his ray field blast.
The ray sphere explosion in the first game isn't even that fast, assuming we're on the same topic.
https://youtu.be/veWbeUWUdhA?t=4s
In the time it takes him to level a city, Toshiro only has to extend his hand and it's nullified. Not to mention the plethora of defensive kido and transportation techniques he has.
The ray sphere explosion in the first game isn't even that fast, assuming we're on the same topic.
https://youtu.be/veWbeUWUdhA?t=4s
In the time it takes him to level a city, Toshiro only has to extend his hand and it's nullified. Not to mention the plethora of defensive kido and transportation techniques he has.
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That's not the same thing at all.
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the time it took RFB to engulf the city in the video you showed seems to be a matter of cinematic timing.
and who's to say he starts with it from the very start? he has no knowledge of toshiro and using it against someone he dosen't know is logically a waste
and who's to say he starts with it from the very start? he has no knowledge of toshiro and using it against someone he dosen't know is logically a waste
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Also, the explosion instantly engulfs the entire area, and merely persists afterwards.
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@Yomi
No, The Beast doesn't care about fighting. He only wasted his time with Cole because he was his friend and wanted him to join him.
Literally every time the military came after him, he immediately RFB'd them because he didn't want to waste his time with them. Toshiro is no different.
No, The Beast doesn't care about fighting. He only wasted his time with Cole because he was his friend and wanted him to join him.
Literally every time the military came after him, he immediately RFB'd them because he didn't want to waste his time with them. Toshiro is no different.
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Need more stats on the explosion and Im still not convinced he does that off the bat on a one on one fight
Depending on how it goes Toshiro may actually freeze the explosion itself
He's no stranger to freezing unusual things like Reishi Energy itself
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Depending on how it goes Toshiro may actually freeze the explosion itself
He's no stranger to freezing unusual things like Reishi Energy itself
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its one thing for an entire army to come after you
but i still say it's ridiculous to say he will use the RFB on one man he has no intel on with nothing at stake.
but i still say it's ridiculous to say he will use the RFB on one man he has no intel on with nothing at stake.
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Cinematic timing?
The same can be said for Toshiro in how long he freezes people, does he even lead with it?
No, the point is that he doesn't even KNOW Toshiro, unlike Cole. There is literally no reason for him to waste his time with him and would just RFB him.
Explosion will engulf him before he does so.
The same can be said for Toshiro in how long he freezes people, does he even lead with it?
No, the point is that he doesn't even KNOW Toshiro, unlike Cole. There is literally no reason for him to waste his time with him and would just RFB him.
Explosion will engulf him before he does so.
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Speed is equalized, so in the time it takes for him to build up those fireballs in his hand and release an attack, Toshiro aims at his head and turns it into an ice cube.
Even if the Beast does get it off, it's not like Toshiro can't utilize potent defensive kido. And Toshiro has a quantified AP, while the Beast doesn't, so there's no conclusive way that he apparently kills Toshiro with this one move.
Even if the Beast does get it off, it's not like Toshiro can't utilize potent defensive kido. And Toshiro has a quantified AP, while the Beast doesn't, so there's no conclusive way that he apparently kills Toshiro with this one move.
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Ray Field Blast negates durability of non-Conduits by draining all neuroelectricity and life energy from those in its radius. Defenses aren't saving him from getting his energy sucked from his body.
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Again, Beast has superior range, Biological Manipulation via infecting him with the incurable Plague which kills victims in hours or even minutes, and Teleportation.
And with his Regenerationn and durability-negating blasts, Toshiro's only hope is Flash Freezing, which takes less time than it takes for the explosion to engulf him and drain all his energy.
And with his Regenerationn and durability-negating blasts, Toshiro's only hope is Flash Freezing, which takes less time than it takes for the explosion to engulf him and drain all his energy.
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Toshiro dosen't even look that threatening,he might treat him like an everyday man making a pathetic stand.still Not very RFB worthy to me
the 4 seconds flash freeze is his go to signature move in his adult form.He has no other notable attacks other than Shikai Hyoketsu in his adult form
he used it off the bat against gerard from the start
What im saying is
A giant lava looking monster is enough to make toshiro flash freeze
A teenage boy who has white hair is not worthy of a City Spanning attack from the very start
the 4 seconds flash freeze is his go to signature move in his adult form.He has no other notable attacks other than Shikai Hyoketsu in his adult form
he used it off the bat against gerard from the start
What im saying is
A giant lava looking monster is enough to make toshiro flash freeze
A teenage boy who has white hair is not worthy of a City Spanning attack from the very start
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The Beast isn't a giant lava monster in his base. He usually walks around looking like the man in red on his profile.
Beast would look as threatening to Toshiro as he would to him.
Beast would look as threatening to Toshiro as he would to him.
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Pretty sure this fight logically starts in his true form when toshiro starts in his adult form
Toshiro dosen't look threatening at all.Cole looks much more of a bad mofo than him
he mistakes him as an everyday asian wearing white and views him as a pathetic civillian and toshiro views him as a giant monster that he needs to end this instant
Toshiro dosen't look threatening at all.Cole looks much more of a bad mofo than him
he mistakes him as an everyday asian wearing white and views him as a pathetic civillian and toshiro views him as a giant monster that he needs to end this instant
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You think this looks like a normal dude?
Beast assumes he's a threat and RFBs him.
Beast assumes he's a threat and RFBs him.
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I'll shut up now.
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I'm talking about this one.
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He assumes he's a late-teenager with a weird sense of fashion style
he dosent automatically assume "Oh its the dude that can completely null my haxes.....better waste a full powered attack on this puny looking mofo"
pretty sure this gigantic thing looks more threatening than gerard.He flash freezes
he dosent automatically assume "Oh its the dude that can completely null my haxes.....better waste a full powered attack on this puny looking mofo"
pretty sure this gigantic thing looks more threatening than gerard.He flash freezes
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No, the point is "I don't know who this man is, nor do I care, I'll RFB to see if he's a Conduit and be on my way. If he isn't, too bad for him."
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And my point is
"I dont know this weak looking dude,maybe i'll test him out first before blasting his face into oblivon using my strongest attack"
"I dont know this weak looking dude,maybe i'll test him out first before blasting his face into oblivon using my strongest attack"
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No. The Beast does it in character because his goal is to turn all humans into Conduits. And those lacking the Conduit Gene will get Dura-Negated via having all the neuroelectricity and life energy sucked out of their bodies and having their molecular structure destabilised.
Beast does it immediately because he doesn't want to waste his time, sees that he's not a Conduit, then leaves.
End.
Beast does it immediately because he doesn't want to waste his time, sees that he's not a Conduit, then leaves.
End.
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you say
"Beast does it immediately because he dosen't wanna waste his time"
when i say
"beast dosen't do it immediately because using it on one man will be a waste of time and effort from the very start"
Differeing Views GG
"Beast does it immediately because he dosen't wanna waste his time"
when i say
"beast dosen't do it immediately because using it on one man will be a waste of time and effort from the very start"
Differeing Views GG
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His goal is to turn all humans into Conduits, which he uses the Ray Field Blast to do so.
He doesn't want to waste his time so he RFB to turn him into a Conduit, it kills him because he doesn't have a Conduit Gene, then Beast says "oh well" and leaves.
This is what he does in character.
He doesn't want to waste his time so he RFB to turn him into a Conduit, it kills him because he doesn't have a Conduit Gene, then Beast says "oh well" and leaves.
This is what he does in character.
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Can i see a video of him using the City Spanning ray field blast on one person pls?
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No, because he never was in a situation like that.
Nonetheless, there is no reason for him to fight him, and he would simply lead with the RFB to turn him into a Conduit, fails because he doesn't have a Conduit Gene, so he gets dura-negated and killed.
Nonetheless, there is no reason for him to fight him, and he would simply lead with the RFB to turn him into a Conduit, fails because he doesn't have a Conduit Gene, so he gets dura-negated and killed.
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I mean if we wanna use the biological argument, then Toshiro is a soul so it doesn't affect him unless he was using a gigai, which isn't the case. :^)
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If there was no reason for him to fight toshiro wouldn't he just leave?
pretty sure One irrelevant human wont trigger his "RFB u a conduit now GG" mentality
If toshiro pushes him further in the edge then yes,he would use RFB
But the problem is that wont happen since toshiro uses Shikai Hyoketsu from the very start in character (he's very limited to it and he showed he uses it from the very start not to mention beast looks much more of a monster than gerard")
Toshiro takes away his conduit powers and he reverts back to his human form
then toshiro just does him there.
pretty sure One irrelevant human wont trigger his "RFB u a conduit now GG" mentality
If toshiro pushes him further in the edge then yes,he would use RFB
But the problem is that wont happen since toshiro uses Shikai Hyoketsu from the very start in character (he's very limited to it and he showed he uses it from the very start not to mention beast looks much more of a monster than gerard")
Toshiro takes away his conduit powers and he reverts back to his human form
then toshiro just does him there.
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Okay, here are what I saw in this fights. First argument says that the beast can just teleport out of toshirp range and shot rfb from distance. Ten there is also argunen that said the beast can shot rfb right of the bat.
Let's assume that he can lead with both, here is the scenario I can think of:
1 If the beast teleport out of the range, he has unintentionally given Toshiro time to prepared Shikai Hyouketsu to counter RFB.
2. If he really starts with it, Toshiro can just swiped his sword or doing hands gesture to use flash freeze.
The thing is, I kinda have no idea whose attack is going to win. It's basically P.Null attack vs Dra neg attack.
Let's assume that he can lead with both, here is the scenario I can think of:
1 If the beast teleport out of the range, he has unintentionally given Toshiro time to prepared Shikai Hyouketsu to counter RFB.
2. If he really starts with it, Toshiro can just swiped his sword or doing hands gesture to use flash freeze.
The thing is, I kinda have no idea whose attack is going to win. It's basically P.Null attack vs Dra neg attack.
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How would he take away his powers? With Flash-Freeze, which takes more time than it takes to RFB.
Also, his main goal is to turn ALL humans into Conduits, he doesn't care about fighting at all. So yes, he totally would RFB Blast him because that's his mentality ALL THE TIME.
Also, his main goal is to turn ALL humans into Conduits, he doesn't care about fighting at all. So yes, he totally would RFB Blast him because that's his mentality ALL THE TIME.
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Would give it to toshiro due to his power nullification and matter freezing
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shikai hyoketsu takes four seconds to charge and four seconds to engulf something/someone in ice regardless of the size
he dosen't need very long to use it
he dosen't need very long to use it
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Beast needs one second for Ray Field Blast to engulf him and Dura-Negate him to death.
Beast also has superior range, can teleport away to RFB him and the entire city.
Dozens of meters < At least Tens of Kilometers
Beast also has superior range, can teleport away to RFB him and the entire city.
Dozens of meters < At least Tens of Kilometers
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Show a scan,vid or anything at all
that shows him using the RFB blast on one human
him having the urge to turn one human into a conduit
him using the RFB blast before any fight
The "Let me test you out if your worthy of having conduit powers" is more plausible than "RFB you from the start GG"
that shows him using the RFB blast on one human
him having the urge to turn one human into a conduit
him using the RFB blast before any fight
The "Let me test you out if your worthy of having conduit powers" is more plausible than "RFB you from the start GG"
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Shikai hyoketsu isn't four seconds, thats a mistranslation, its the time needed to take 4 steps
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That's not his mentality at all. And stop saying GG, it's annoying.
You clearly don't know his character. He doesn't do that "test if they are worthy" bullshit. His goal is to turn all humans into Conduits. He would RFB him from the start to just turn him into a Conduit, it doesn't work cause he doesn't have the Gene, and dies.
Also, The Beast uses smaller scale Ray Field Blasts to attack his opponents. He can just widen the scale to consume an entire city.
Toshiro dies as soon as the blast hits him.
You clearly don't know his character. He doesn't do that "test if they are worthy" bullshit. His goal is to turn all humans into Conduits. He would RFB him from the start to just turn him into a Conduit, it doesn't work cause he doesn't have the Gene, and dies.
Also, The Beast uses smaller scale Ray Field Blasts to attack his opponents. He can just widen the scale to consume an entire city.
Toshiro dies as soon as the blast hits him.
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Your saying Beast is gonna use a City Spanning attack on one person he has no knowledge of from the very start
Thats logically flawed and a waste of time,energy and everybody knows it
if he wanted to turn him into a conduit he could use smaller scale blast.yes that is 100% more logical than blasting an entire city to kingdom come just to turn one man into a conduit
the "using smaller scale" blast seems plausible but toshiro flash freezes that (toshiro was shown to freeze gerard's bow which is made entirely of a supernatural energy called reishi,that's more otherworldly than any energy in beast's disposal)
Thats logically flawed and a waste of time,energy and everybody knows it
if he wanted to turn him into a conduit he could use smaller scale blast.yes that is 100% more logical than blasting an entire city to kingdom come just to turn one man into a conduit
the "using smaller scale" blast seems plausible but toshiro flash freezes that (toshiro was shown to freeze gerard's bow which is made entirely of a supernatural energy called reishi,that's more otherworldly than any energy in beast's disposal)
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He would use the city-scale Blast to turn any other humans in the city into Conduits. And it doesn't matter if there are or not, he would still think there are and do it anyway.
Again, Beast has far superior range, Teleportation, Biological Manipulation, and can turn into a black hole.
Flash-Freeze is literally Toshiro's ONLY hope.
Again, Beast has far superior range, Teleportation, Biological Manipulation, and can turn into a black hole.
Flash-Freeze is literally Toshiro's ONLY hope.
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You know how it's out of character for Goku to simply planet-bust and would take his opponent head-on?
That's what applies for The Beast, except it's the OPPOSITE.
There is literally no reason for him to waste his time fighting some dude he doesn't know or care about and would use his Blast to turn iPhone and any other humans that might be around into Conduits.
That's what applies for The Beast, except it's the OPPOSITE.
There is literally no reason for him to waste his time fighting some dude he doesn't know or care about and would use his Blast to turn iPhone and any other humans that might be around into Conduits.
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Toshiro is not a human.
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