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This would only affect the movie canon, as the manga has its own adaptation now with a different scaling. Also, broly from the movie was confirmed as >cell max as the android wasn't complete. Even if you scale beast gohan above broly, the manga has a lot more chains up to black friezaIsn't there a statement in a V-Jump Magazine (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) that stated the battle between Beast Gohan vs Cell Max is the greatest/strongest battle in the history.
I could be wrong though.
I thought so. Last time I remember, anime scales way above manga.Doesn't the anime scale above the manga?`Gohan stomps. RPL ftw
That's just a hype statement made for promotion, Toriyama after the movie implied that Broly is still stronger.Isn't there a statement in a V-Jump Magazine (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) that stated the battle between Beast Gohan vs Cell Max is the greatest/strongest battle in the history.
Can I see it?That's just a hype statement made for promotion, Toriyama after the movie implied that Broly is still stronger.
Can I see it?
Nah he said Cell Max would have beaten Broly if his mind control (which doesn't add anything to his strength but rather on how he uses his Ki) had been finished.That's just a hype statement made for promotion, Toriyama after the movie implied that Broly is still stronger.
Hmmm...Toriyama's notes on the new forms in DBS Super Hero SPOILERS obviously - Dragon Ball
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This is what I assume. My thought is that Perfected Cell Max is something Magenta or someone can perfectly control, from Cell Max mind to it Ki.Nah he said Cell Max would have beaten Broly if his mind control (which doesn't add anything to his strength but rather on how he uses his Ki) had been finished.
It doesn't automatically means he is weaker than Broly without mind control because Broly's gimmick is all about adapting and getting stronger. So if anything this implies that strength wise Cell max > Broly but Broly would beat Cell max due to the latter messing around too much and giving him enough room to adapt.
Imo Broly is weaker than Gohan but Gohan would lose 10/10 cases because of how overpowered Broly's reactive power level is. I mean that guy casually reactive powerleveled his way through massive multipliers like it's nothing. So Gohan who is notorious for trolling whenever he is drunk on power and Cell Max, who is dumb af, will certainly lose to Broly.Problem is, going on the premise of "what if Cell Max was been completed", Toriyama wouldn't have mentioned "even Broly" if Gohan would have still be able to beat Cell even if complete.
I agree, Cell Max entire purpose is to be mind controlled and one shot everyone, especially someone like Broly which his entire gimmick is grow strong real fast with less than an hour.Imo Broly is weaker than Gohan but Gohan would lose 10/10 cases because of how overpowered Broly's reactive power level is. I mean that guy casually reactive powerleveled his way through massive multipliers like it's nothing. So Gohan who is notorious for trolling whenever he is drunk on power and Cell Max, who is dumb af, will certainly lose to Broly.
But Toriyama's statement wouldn't make any sense if Cell Max didn't have a power advantage to begin with since the mind control was the only thing that was missing and it doesn't add anything to his strength.
In conclusion my point is that you can be stronger than Broly even if you can't ultimately beat him in battle.,
This whole statement is just argument from incredulity, especially when better Ki control does indeed makes you stronger, Kale is stronger after achieving the controller Berserk for example. This whole "but Toriyama is wrong because I say so and [headcanon]" is not a thing, what Toriyama says is literally the truth here.Imo Broly is weaker than Gohan but Gohan would lose 10/10 cases because of how overpowered Broly's reactive power level is. I mean that guy casually reactive powerleveled his way through massive multipliers like it's nothing. So Gohan who is notorious for trolling whenever he is drunk on power and Cell Max, who is dumb af, will certainly lose to Broly.
But Toriyama's statement wouldn't make any sense if Cell Max didn't have a power advantage to begin with since the mind control was the only thing that was missing and it doesn't add anything to his strength.
Ki control is spiritual. This was emphasized in the movie with Pan. You can't just control that with a device.This whole statement is just argument from incredulity, especially when better Ki control does indeed makes you stronger, Kale is stronger after achieving the controller Berserk for example. This whole "but Toriyama is wrong because I say so and [headcanon]" is not a thing, what Toriyama says is literally the truth here.
No, we don't, because it's clear why he used Broly as a comparative. If he intended Gohan to be stronger, he'd use him and that's it. Stop twisting words for your narrative, it's not going to work, because it's pretty straightfoward.And Toriyama doesn't say anything. His statement leaves room for interpretation which is why we can have a conversation
Lol the irony. You are doing just the same but keep crying. He never said Broly is stronger than Cell Max. He is strictly speaking about a hypothetical battle between both. You are the one who interprets this as Broly being stronger than Cell Max.No, we don't, because it's clear why he used Broly as a comparative. If he intended Gohan to be stronger, he'd use him and that's it. Stop twisting words for your narrative, it's not going to work, because it's pretty straightfoward.
"IF Cell Max had been completed according to plan, he would have been a superhuman who EVEN Broly couldn't defeat." In other words, the Cell Max Gohan fights is someone Broly can defeat.Lol the irony. You are doing just the same but keep crying. He never said Broly is stronger than Cell Max. He is strictly speaking about a hypothetical battle between both. You are the one who interprets this as Broly being stronger than Cell Max.
"Gohan is actually the strongest...or so it's said." In other words this statement means absolutely nothing.Edit: Also funny how you ignore statements like "Gohan is actually stronger than anyone(...)" which came directly from Toriyama's mouth. So the one twisting the narrative is you bro
Ok. Now say that again without cryingI declare Gohan Beast a massive fraud and the only reason he can win this fight is because of the anime's 6 Universes scaling.
I smell cope.Ok. Now say that again without crying
Ki is made of right mindness as well, so being in an unstable state of mind, aka a berserker state, would weaken one's Ki, and as such strength as wellNah he said Cell Max would have beaten Broly if his mind control (which doesn't add anything to his strength but rather on how he uses his Ki) had been finished.
It doesn't automatically means he is weaker than Broly without mind control because Broly's gimmick is all about adapting and getting stronger. So if anything this implies that strength wise Cell max > Broly but Broly would beat Cell max due to the latter messing around too much and giving him enough room to adapt.
I am pretty sure that when you are mind controlled robot you are nothing more than an empty shellKi is made of right mindness as well, so being in an unstable state of mind, aka a berserker state, would weaken one's Ki, and as such strength as well
Cell was never stated to be controlled from Magenta though?I am pretty sure that when you are mind controlled robot you are nothing more than an empty shell
depends on the mindcontrol, i am pretty sure that a mind controled mind would be calmer than a out of control animal style mindI am pretty sure that when you are mind controlled robot you are nothing more than an empty shell
Pointless to argue. Neither of us knows it for sure. Gohan stomps regardlessdepends on the mindcontrol, i am pretty sure that a mind controled mind would be calmer than a out of control animal style mind