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The Absolute Evil against a Blue Hedgehog (Garou VS Sonic) (GRACE)

Pyro9278

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Unless Garou can swiftly catch up to Sonic via AD + Power Mimicry, he's gonna get outhaxed. I don't see any hax that would be particularly fatal for Sonic from Garou's end.
 
Speed is equal. Garou should be able to copy him instantly then.

What are the wincons for Sonic?
 
Then Garou catching up or surpassing him doesn't matter at all even if it were to happen instantly, no? So this is stomp match?
 
MrTayman616 said:
Then Garou catching up or surpassing him doesn't matter at all even if it were to happen instantly, no? So this is stomp match?
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His haxes are via equipment, and has more layers. If you check his page he has reality warping on the 6D level. Sonic also has AD but to a lesser extent than Garou.
 
HenshinIntervention said:
Slow down, he has two radiation manipulation resistances on his profile (for some reason)
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Garou's radiation is far more potent. It has values listed on the profile. Goes far beyond Sonic's resistance.
HenshinIntervention said:
His haxes are via equipment, and has more layers. If you check his page he has reality warping on the 6D level. Sonic also has AD but to a lesser extent than Garou.
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Overall or in regards to overcoming a strength gap? If so, Sonic's AD can be better. Just circumstantial.
 
HenshinIntervention said:
Slow down, he has two radiation manipulation resistances on his profile (for some reason)
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If Sonic doesn't have the Forcejewels, would it be more balanced or would it be the same? Also for the Chaos Emeralds, although I don't know if they can be restricted since they are part of his standard team
 
LaserPrecision said:
Garou's radiation is far more potent. It has values listed on the profile. Goes far beyond Sonic's resistance.

Overall or in regards to overcoming a strength gap? If so, Sonic's AD can be better. Just circumstantial.
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Is there even a calc for the black holes that Sonic resisted being near? Wouldn't that be left ambiguous? I guess for now that's a W con for Garou.
 
Supernatural Willpower and his resistance to radiation would help him last longer right? Doesnt he have precog to alert him from danger?
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
Supernatural Willpower and his resistance to radiation would help him last longer right? Doesnt he have precog to alert him from danger?
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It's a passive radioactive aura that can kill in like, seconds IIRC. Precog won't help a lot unless he chooses to try and zone out Garou (Which isn't sustainable), or immediately go for the kill. Maybe at most you can argue the damage his body suffers from the radiation gets transferred to the Rings, but idk.
 
Then could he use Last Chance (See Classic Sonic profile) to ressurect himself and go for an incap option like sealing with Magic Hands or Ring Time transmutation?

Edit: Magic Hands is restricted, forgot that.
 
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For the record I'm not saying him ressurecting and using his wincons right off the bat would end up with him less affected by the radiation, he'd probably succumb right after Garou gets turned into a ring and collected.
 
I dunno if Last Chance can recover from Radiation poisoning. What it can revive from is based on the feats of what it's shown to revive Sonic from. He'd "revive" have the same injuries as a result of the radiation poisoning, and would instantly die again from like, his brain literally melting in his skull (Exaggeration, but you get the idea).
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
Doesnt 1-ups (Which is what the Last Chance does) basically create a new body?
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I'm not sure. The page doesn't explain it very well. But honestly I think a better argument is saying Sonic's speed will restore his body from cellular decay or smth (Via Gens). But it feels kinda ratty.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I'm not sure. The page doesn't explain it very well. But honestly I think a better argument is saying Sonic's speed will restore his body from cellular decay or smth (Via Gens). But it feels kinda ratty.
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Well the Sonic Heal technique does have him vibrating his molecules at supersonic speeds
 
HenshinIntervention said:
Well the Sonic Heal technique does have him vibrating his molecules at supersonic speeds
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lol, true. Admittedly I dunno a lot about Radiation, so I dunno what would or wouldn't be able to circumvent it. But I think it causes damage on a molecular level. So if you can regenerate molecules or smth, you should be able to get around it. But Sonic Heal doesn't heal his molecules. Heals his body by vibrating his molecules.
 
He's got the Chaos Emeralds in standard equipment, I'm pretty sure he uses Chaos Control the most in Adventure era.

Also we may have forgotten to give him the Boost. He's present in Speed Simulator.
 
LaserPrecision said:
It's a passive radioactive aura that can kill in like, seconds IIRC.
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It took solid 20-60 seconds just to KO literal children with no resistance. Sonic will last significantly longer, having actual resistance, and is FTL+ here (since their speed is equalized to Garous level). Meaning that minute or so Sonic will have before getting KOed will be enough for him to circle around earth few hundred times if he wanted to.

So I think Sonic should be fine here
 
DavidTPPM said:
It took solid 20-60 seconds just to KO literal children with no resistance. Sonic will last significantly longer, having actual resistance, and is FTL+ here (since their speed is equalized to Garous level). Meaning that minute or so Sonic will have before getting KOed will be enough for him to circle around earth few hundred times if he wanted to.

So I think Sonic should be fine here
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Should I take that as a vote?
 
DavidTPPM said:
It took solid 20-60 seconds just to KO literal children with no resistance. Sonic will last significantly longer, having actual resistance, and is FTL+ here (since their speed is equalized to Garous level). Meaning that minute or so Sonic will have before getting KOed will be enough for him to circle around earth few hundred times if he wanted to.

So I think Sonic should be fine here
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Huh, all the fans I saw talking about it before made it sound a lot quicker. Are you sure that's real time seconds and not 20-60 seconds from the characters perspective? Because I'm pretty sure Child Emperor is like High Hypersonic or smth.

Either way, fair point. Did wish we could quantify Sonic's resistance like Garou's radiation is quantified tho. I struggled to find anything for the potency of radiation around Black Holes or on/in the Sun. Just know that there's "a lot."
 
Sonic's radiation resistance comes from being right next power plant energy inside of a giant tank and not being affected, as well as straight up touching it. I don't know what it's comparable to in terms of measurements tho
 
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