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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

By the way, why don't have a profile for Velda/Veldanava WN?
out of laziness lol, and also because it implied that Rimuru was Veldanava at the end of the web, besides he never really appeared, so at least I don't think a profile is necessary for him, although in the light novel it is almost mandatory for him to have one own profile when to launch the next volumes
 
If he copied Beelzebub's powers, yes, but this did not happened, so in a battle he wouldn't have that power, so it wouldn't be low 2-C
you're right, although I think he's powerful enough to defeat characters with a much higher tier than his, like the back of Dragon ball and Bleach for example
 
it can happen in this volume because the war with Michael is already over, although it doesn't have to be in this volume, it can be in the others, since with the amount of beings that can destroy the cardinal world, which is the world with the most magic from what I understand, I think needed to duel in another world
I completely forgot that it was only Michael who was supposed to aim for the dragon factor, but now that I think about it, would Rimuru then have continuous spacetime attack, just like Velgrynd? For Michael still existed in Feldway, but Ciel hinted that it didn't matter at the end of chapter 4
 
out of laziness lol, and also because it implied that Rimuru was Veldanava at the end of the web, besides he never really appeared, so at least I don't think a profile is necessary for him, although in the light novel it is almost mandatory for him to have one own profile when to launch the next volumes
Veldanava LN should have all the skills of the verse, right? Since he was originally omnipotent and omniscient, and even when he threw away his powers, he defeated Guy with a single blow.
 
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Check it again he only have resistance to it.
Wow, it's true, what's the point of it, he really doesn't have it or just forgot? In Tensura, the erasure of existence is so common, and not having it is surreal for me.
 
you're right, although I think he's powerful enough to defeat characters with a much higher tier than his, like the back of Dragon ball and Bleach for example
He wins passively and also with mental attacks, he also has the time stop, but I think without that, he might have difficulties with the angels. Already Bleach I don't see anyone doing anything with them
 
I completely forgot that it was only Michael who was supposed to aim for the dragon factor, but now that I think about it, would Rimuru then have continuous spacetime attack, just like Velgrynd? For Michael still existed in Feldway, but Ciel hinted that it didn't matter at the end of chapter 4
Michael is still alive because he is in the real fedway body which cannot be reached even if you transcend spacetime, i think he is in the semi material world which is said to be at the top of the spiritual realm, i read the chapter again
 
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Veldanava LN should have all the skills of the verse, right? Since he was originally omnipotent and omniscient, and even when he threw away his powers, he defeated Guy with a single blow.
Everything was created by veldanava and everything belongs to him so it is normal that he has all the abilities as it was said that when he dropped his omnipotence he still had all the abilities
 
one thing that interested me was that Rimuru can make abilities reach a higher realm, it wouldn't be a big deal, but as it was said by velgrind that he doesn't lie in his statements and it's been said that users of ultimate abilities can't be hit by abilities lower I think there is something to be explored there
 
Veldanava LN should have all the skills of the verse, right? Since he was originally omnipotent and omniscient, and even when he threw away his powers, he defeated Guy with a single blow.
That's because nothing existed besides him. He's not literally all-powerful or anything.
 
Do you think there will be a battle in the spiritual realm? or in some other world? because it is said that demons have no limit of power in the spirit realm as fedway stated about diablo defending the portal, possibly the other races must also be more powerful in the other realms as they cannot interfere in the worlds without a physical body
That's unnecessary at this point since they incarnated and evolved beyond their limits
 
Thinking about it, what do you think is LN's top 5 in volume 19? i think i would put it like this:

1-Veldanava
2-Ivarage
3-Rimuru
4-Feldway(real body)
5-Chloe



If I were to take and remove Veldanava, Feldway (real body) and Ivarage that has no feats, I would put it like this:

1- Rimuru
2- Chloe
3- Guy
4- Velzard
5- Rudra
1. Chloe
2. Rimuru
3. Micheal
4. Rudra
5. Feldway (Split Body)
6. Velzard

One and two are interchangeable.
 
Michael is still alive because he is in the real fedway body which cannot be reached even if you transcend spacetime, i think he is in the semi material world which is said to be at the top of the spiritual realm, i read the chapter again
This is Feldway, not Michael, Feldway is "disconnected" from his real body, but Michael only had a parallel existence along with Feldway.
 
one thing that interested me was that Rimuru can make abilities reach a higher realm, it wouldn't be a big deal, but as it was said by velgrind that he doesn't lie in his statements and it's been said that users of ultimate abilities can't be hit by abilities lower I think there is something to be explored there
Rimuru has already stated that this is not absolute, if you have a very powerful unique skill (like Yuuki or Chloe before they awaken)or have enough power to "push" the opponent (as Diablo did against Jiu and Bonnie), or simply a very strong will, you will be able to circumvent this.
 
Rimuru has already stated that this is not absolute, if you have a very powerful unique skill (like Yuuki or Chloe before they awaken)or have enough power to "push" the opponent (as Diablo did against Jiu and Bonnie), or simply a very strong will, you will be able to circumvent this.
Yeah, the willpower thing was kind bs the way it was thrown in but its true. I wish it was still just desire after reading V18 Ch2
 
She doesn't need to get an US shes not even Calamity Class and she seemingly didn't even but she could fight some angels
That's true, it was a nice addition.
That's because nothing existed besides him. He's not literally all-powerful or anything.
no, it implies that he was in fact the almighty, since it is said that he already created other worlds the way he wanted, but found it tedious to know everything and be able to solve everything, so he decided to let go of his "absolute" powers.
 
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no, it implies that he was in fact the almighty, since it is said that he already created other worlds the way he wanted, but found it tedious to know everything and be able to solve everything, so he decided to let go of his "absolute" powers.
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1. Chloe
2. Rimuru
3. Micheal
4. Rudra
5. Feldway (Split Body)
6. Velzard

One and two are interchangeable.
I don't see Michael beating anyone who can move in the suspended world, he just has a lot of EP, but he doesn't know how to use any of his skills and his sword skills are nothing compared to others, and well, Guy for me surpasses Rudra and Velzard, and Feldway is weaker than Velzard also for not being able to move in the suspended world with that body.
 
I know this might not scale to anything on the wiki, but within the context of tensura, I see it like this.



Edit: now that i realize i tagged the wrong message, i apologize, i meant to refer to the comment about veldanava not being the "almighty". Anyway, I fixed the comment.
 
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Yeah, the willpower thing was kind bs the way it was thrown in but its true. I wish it was still just desire after reading V18 Ch2
I also didn't like the way it was presented, it seems like Fuse wants to leave a weak point for others of lower level like Garzel to be able to do something against.
 
Rimuru has already stated that this is not absolute, if you have a very powerful unique skill (like Yuuki or Chloe before they awaken)or have enough power to "push" the opponent (as Diablo did against Jiu and Bonnie), or simply a very strong will, you will be able to circumvent this.
the exceptions are the abilities of the angelic and demonic series, no exception was shown apart from this one that I remember
 
Shion's skill can interfere because she is a divine existence with over 4 million ep and she also has a mythical level sword which is equivalent to an ultimate skill
 
Yeah, the willpower thing was kind bs the way it was thrown in but its true. I wish it was still just desire after reading V18 Ch2

I think that will is more like a means of defeating beings that still don't have full control over their ability, since I don't remember anyone experienced with a supreme ability losing to someone who doesn't have it
 
I think that will is more like a means of defeating beings that still don't have full control over their ability, since I don't remember anyone experienced with a supreme ability losing to someone who doesn't have it
Thinking like that would be more logical, since it's kind of unbelievable for someone with a strong will to be able to beat someone with an ultimate skill, which already has a prerequisite to have that level of power, which is to have strong soul and enormous willpower, if a character has a very strong will, he should have at least one unique skill
 
That's unnecessary at this point since they incarnated and evolved beyond their limits
I think you are confusing it with the web, in the light novel it is said that spiritual beings are stronger than material beings as an example Fedway saying that primordials have no limit of power in hell which is a spiritual realm, and to maintain a balance they cannot interfere in the physical world without a body, and when they incarnate they suffer a power restriction like all beings in that world, an example is that all demons incarnate with 140 000 ep being arch demons regardless of the rank they have in hell
 
Thinking like that would be more logical, since it's kind of unbelievable for someone with a strong will to be able to beat someone with an ultimate skill, which already has a prerequisite to have that level of power, which is to have strong soul and enormous willpower, if a character has a very strong will, he should have at least one unique skill
exact, and the main point to prove this is that all users of ultimate abilities who lost to non-users are beings who gained ultimate abilities as gifts and didn't get them of their own accord like Rudra's low-ranking subordinates for example
 
couldn't guy be low2c with lucifer?
there is actually a statement that Guy can destroy the world, but im not sure if this will be enough

「What is with you! Guy, you never listen to my opinion. It’s always, always me who had to be patient! As the Tuner, I had the role to guide this world that my older brother left behind. That’s why I always observed you so that you wouldn’t go on a rampage. Even though I really hated it…… Even Velgrind went freely to the place of the man she loved and Veldora was so carefree and rampaged as he pleased. As for me, I endured it all the time, you know!? Everything was because you were acknowledged by my older brother! It was because you were the only being except for my older brother who could destroy this world. I couldn’t afford to leave your side, you know…… I’m the only one who needed to have patience…… And yet, you’re going to leave me behind. I will never forgive you for that. Why do you have to support that suspicious slime now!? It would have been fine if you lived quietly in this northern land! You oppose my older brother even though there’s no way for you to win. Rather than letting you be killed by my older brother, I would rather be the one who will kill you with my own hands!」
 
I think you are confusing it with the web, in the light novel it is said that spiritual beings are stronger than material beings as an example Fedway saying that primordials have no limit of power in hell which is a spiritual realm, and to maintain a balance they cannot interfere in the physical world without a body, and when they incarnate they suffer a power restriction like all beings in that world, an example is that all demons incarnate with 140 000 ep being arch demons regardless of the rank they have in hell
I'm suspicious to talk about this, as I don't remember well, but I remember a statement that demons are limited in the material body, however, when they evolve into a demon God, they can evolve without limits, in the demonic world it would be more like them not running out of magic, but the power overall would be less than what is received after having a good body, name, and especially when awakened.
 
there is actually a statement that Guy can destroy the world, but im not sure if this will be enough
Isn't there anyone who can make a crt about this? If it's not something taken out of context, it seems to me to be pretty convincing, even if you look at that Velzard, a real dragon, didn't include himself in this.
 
Isn't there anyone who can make a crt about this? If it's not something taken out of context, it seems to me to be pretty convincing, even if you look at that Velzard, a real dragon, didn't include himself in this
i will make it tomorrow, just need to gather more proof
 
Don't you think the ending on volume 22 will be a bit rushed? I hope Fuse adds at least one more volume to this story
 
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