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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Mizuki67 said:
I thought u could still get immeasurable speed using arguments like non-existent/beyond time or something like that
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No one can be rated for speed when time itself doesn't exist, as no one can tell whether they are moving to the future, the past, or the present. This is what prevents Immeasurable speed from being achieved in a condition where time does not exist.
 
Rizkykarbit said:
In this context, "Immeasurable" refers to a digital lifeform, where information particles can travel to any point in time. Traveling to different points in time won't make the character get immeasurable, but their ability is rated based on their travel speed. A digital lifeform can transform someone into an information particle, making them equivalent to an information particle, enabling them to journey to any point in time they desire. Furthermore, information particles can be used for both offense and defense.
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can rimuru have infinite speed perception and infinite combat speed for being a digital life form
 
Mizuki67 said:
can rimuru have infinite speed perception and infinite combat speed for being a digital life form
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If in the future, they receive an immeasurable rating, then infinite speed is no longer necessary, as immeasurable essentially considers infinite speed to be frozen.
 
rainheart said:
Iono but Dagruel kinda debunk this,he kinda struggle Reacting Veldora faster than Speed Of Sound attack
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fuze always like to use speed of sound words but when u measure the actual speed it is actually better then just speed of sound. Maybe he used metaphoric words to describe it. It could also be argued as inconsistency from the author because speed in tensura are suppose to be at least relativistic / infinite speed for the top tiers. So i do not think it will be debunked unless stated clearly otherwise
 
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Wikisource said:
No, using hax to traveling to past dont make you have immeasurable speed
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Wtf you saying, there's no rule against using hax to accelerate one's speed, the only thing is as long as it isn't teleportation or anything that makes you not physically move isn't speed but hax, but accelerating your physical speed by the means of hax isnt against the rules
 
Also about the dagruel incident, there's volume 20 to debunk your debunk so forget about it, Rimuru is immeasurable speed by Volume 21 but this is travel speed. Digital lifeforms are only infinte speed, information particles aren't information so they get quantum manipulation again as i mentioned in previous thread

Volume 21 debunks how information particle -they cant move through linear time, but i will dive into the raws to find out.

Turn null seems to be Void+Chaos now
On a Nep2 pattern btw.

Rimuru can now become a Low 1-C smurf with imaginary space
 
Jordan911 said:
Wtf you saying, there's no rule against using hax to accelerate one's speed, the only thing is as long as it isn't teleportation or anything that makes you not physically move isn't speed but hax, but accelerating your physical speed by the means of hax isnt against the rules
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I know this but what I want to say is that Rimuru seems to have teleported. Or at least that's what I read from the MTL.
 
Wikisource said:
I know this but what I want to say is that Rimuru seems to have teleported. Or at least that's what I read from the MTL.
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Sorry to break it to you body but you read wrong.

Rimuru used his Turn null as support in order to accelerate his speed, anyone who reads that part would clearly understand he physically moved.
  • He bumped into vega while going back in time, if you teleport why the hell are you then moving and bumping into stuff??
  • He used his energy and started exploding it, again teleportation doesnt need this
  • The damn illustration even shows he was moving
 
rainheart said:
he kinda struggle Reacting Veldora faster than Speed Of Sound attack
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eh, that wouldn't be any anti-feat for infinite/immeasureable speed Digital Lifeform though, since any speed can be higher than SoS. It would be a different story of Fuse instead said "at the speed of sound" or lower.
 
Jordan911 said:
Sorry to break it to you body but you read wrong.

Rimuru used his Turn null as support in order to accelerate his speed, anyone who reads that part would clearly understand he physically moved.
  • He bumped into vega while going back in time, if you teleport why the hell are you then moving and bumping into stuff??
  • He used his energy and started exploding it, again teleportation doesnt need this
  • The damn illustration even shows he was moving
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Ok, I will check raw right now
 
Jordan911 said:
Sorry to break it to you body but you read wrong.

Rimuru used his Turn null as support in order to accelerate his speed, anyone who reads that part would clearly understand he physically moved.
  • He bumped into vega while going back in time, if you teleport why the hell are you then moving and bumping into stuff??
  • He used his energy and started exploding it, again teleportation doesnt need this
  • The damn illustration even shows he was moving
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Ur Argument Evidence its not realative for Imeasurable speed,which rimuru do not use Sheer speed... And any ways Moving While at Time leap has been peform by saitama.. so is he Imeasurable?
 
Catpija said:
eh, that wouldn't be any anti-feat for infinite/immeasureable speed Digital Lifeform though, since any speed can be higher than SoS. It would be a different story of Fuse instead said "at the speed of sound" or lower.
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i think our fuze here could be using metaphor for it. Doesnt really mean an actual speed of sound
 
Catpija said:
eh, that wouldn't be any anti-feat for infinite/immeasureable speed Digital Lifeform though, since any speed can be higher than SoS. It would be a different story of Fuse instead said "at the speed of sound" or lower.
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I mean does say Faster than SOS,so it may be Infinite soeed or something also since theyr attack kinda distorted Time and space,but why dont jas use Faster than Light instead..
 
WHAT THA HELL ARE YOU SAYING
rainheart said:
Ur Argument Evidence its not realative for Imeasurable speed,which rimuru do not use Sheer speed... And any ways Moving While at Time leap has been peform by saitama.. so is he Imeasurable?
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1. I don't give a damn about saitama and you really think this is how someone "MOVE" then go back to school no offense


2. He didn't move "DURING" time leap, he raced against time using time leap

3. What???
I clearly just say sheer speed, speed sheer whatever as long as it isnt teleportation it counts
Jordan911 said:
Wtf you saying, there's no rule against using hax to accelerate one's speed, the only thing is as long as it isn't teleportation or anything that makes you not physically move isn't speed but hax, but accelerating your physical speed by the means of hax isnt against the rules
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Jordan911 said:
WHAT THA HELL ARE YOU SAYING

1. I don't give a damn about saitama and you really think this is how someone "MOVE" then go back to school no offense


2. He didn't move "DURING" time leap, he raced against time using time leap

3. What???
I clearly just say sheer speed, speed sheer whatever as long as it isnt teleportation it counts
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Hey chill buddy
 
Jordan911 said:
WHAT THA HELL ARE YOU SAYING

1. I don't give a damn about saitama and you really think this is how someone "MOVE" then go back to school no offense
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I mean he does trying to punch by moving hes hand and punch garo, does that do not count moving or hes jas Jerking his D* off..
And Where does it said he use any kind of Sheer speed?? Cuz only using 1 pic a an evidence would not give benefits,infact he uses Ablity which is not the case to get Imeasurable speed.. unless the case is like velgrynd who make the Timeleap her own..in anycase the only way if u want to make this Imea is like Alexia argument which Is skills are infons and part of ur self..
 
rainheart said:
I mean he does trying to punch by moving hes hand and punch garo, does that do not count moving or hes jas Jerking his D* off..
And Where does it said he use any kind of Sheer speed?? Cuz only using 1 pic a an evidence would not give benefits,infact he uses Ablity which is not the case to get Imeasurable speed.. unless the case is like velgrynd who make the Timeleap her own..in anycase the only way if u want to make this Imea is like Alexia argument which Is skills are infons and part of ur self..
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Lol is all i can say to you, congrats.
 
I haven't read the light novel for a long time (probably a year now), so there's a lot of stuff I forgot. Do we treat Great Spirits as Spiritual Lifeform/Spirit?
 
Catpija said:
I haven't read the light novel for a long time (probably a year now), so there's a lot of stuff I forgot. Do we treat Great Spirits as Spiritual Lifeform/Spirit?
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No, they birthed them, even if we are to take them as one there's so much difference between them and Spiritual lifeforms we just cant consider them one
Especially Great spirit of Time which is HDE, resistance to conceptual manipulation type 1, Large size type 9
E.t.c
I made the explanation here
 
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Shiraito983 said:
from what I know they are ego-less spiritual lifeforms second to true dragon
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They aren't ego-less in Light novel tho
Volume 4 mentioned this in reference to Great spirit of time
Well in the sense they dont have emotions then yes not in the sense they don't have awareness
 
Jordan911 said:
No, they birthed them, even if we are to take them as one there's so much difference between them and Spiritual lifeforms we just cant consider them one
Especially Great spirit of Time which is HDE, resistance to conceptual manipulation type 1, Large size type 9
E.t.c
I made the explanation here
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then why did the tensura wiki treat them as such?

Great Holy Spirits (大聖霊, dai seirei?) are powerful egoless Elemental forces that have been around since the dawn of creation, and are the second highest-ranking Spirits next to the True Dragons and highest-ranking Holy Spirits known.
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Catpija said:
then why did the tensura wiki treat them as such?
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Idk what mental person edit the wiki but that's wrong, Great holy spirits aka great spirits birthed every single attribute, and even A true dragon is bounded by it so....the person who edited the wiki really took "Highest Spiritual lifeforms" and the fact Great spirits are spirits tooooo likely
 
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