Teen Naruto/Adult Naruto's Ashura Avatar

[BarryAllen2.0]

On Adult Naruto's page, its stated that Naruto is rated lower than teen Naruto because it is not known if he still has Ashura mode or something along those lines. This is a massive problem because this notion supposes that Naruto doesn't have Six Paths Sage Mode nor the ability to absorb nature energy, which we all know is false and that is all Ashura Mode is.

Or rather, Ashura Mode is as strong as it was due to the absorbtion of a massive amount of Nature Energy. There is no basis to claim he can't achieve it again if he wanted without supposing Naruto can't ansorb Nature Energy of no longer has SPSM. Thus that note on Adult Naruto's profile should be removed and he should be tiered equally to his teen self until further notice.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Has he ever used it again? Just asking.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

No.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Can someone please post the difference between the modes because I've seen different looks of yellow Naruto.

@Burning Full Fingers, Alright thanks, just wanted to know.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Asura Naruto is the one with three heads and six arms.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Oh!!! That one, ok.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Basing it off the fact he used it once is tantamount to saying Jiraiya wouldn't be able to use SM because he only used it once.

Naruto still has SPSM as I told you:




^As shown due to the fact SM Pigmentation is absent. Thus, the fusion of the 3 chakra bodies would still be applicable being as SPSM Naruto was shown doing so qhile in the form.

And as I stated again, SPSM being low 5-B is due to the absorption of Nature Energy which a single clone could absorb and Handle:







^So as you can see, SPSM has the ability to mold the forms together (It's Chakra, so Naruto really should be able to do the same with his skill level outside of SPSM. Madara was abke to do it with Susanoo, so...). And Nature Energy put it onpar with Biju Susanoo.


So, there is no point or basis to keep the note and Adult Naruto should be tiered equally with his Teen self.

 

[Dark649]

There are currently not enough informations for such upgrades basing on speculation.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Its not speculating, like seriously.

>SPSM Naruto fused 3 cchakra forms

>>Adult Naruto is shown using SPSM

>SPSM Naruto absorbs Nature Energy

>>SPSM Naruto can absorb Nature Energy.

There is no speculation.

 

[Dark649]

Once he will show again the Sage of Six Paths Mode with all the marks and etc. he will be upgraded by having solid and enough informations.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@Dark649

He's not going to show it again. He gets a new form nearly every battle. The cloak isn't justification of this regardless.

• Six Paths Sage Mode is only designated by the "+" eye symbol and no SM Pigmentation. This is not speculation.

• Being a sage, has the ability to absorb nature energy. This is not speculation.

You're saying there is a lack of solid Information, based on what exactly? Sasuke used Kirin once, never attempted to use it again. Is this grounds to assume he can't use it any longer? No, it's not.

Adult Naruto has the exact form and abilities that he had in VoTE2. So, can anyone give a valid reason as to why Naruto having the exact form and abilities as his teenage self, suddenly based on nothing except for the fact he hasn't fought an enemy capable of making him use it.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@Dark649

PLEASE, don't just respond back saying there isn't enough solid information. I asked you to please show me what that statement is based on.

That statement again, supposes Naruto doesn't have SPSM (Which he's shown having on several occasions) and nor can he absorb Nature Energy which he can and has shown doing.

 

[Dark649]

@Dark649
He's not going to show it again. He gets a new form nearly every battle.

The Sage of Six Paths form is one of strongest in the verse and it is impossible for him to obtain something higher than that.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

If he had it wouldn't he have used it on Momoshiki to quickly finish him off before he could blink?, Instead he fought with Sasuke in a lower form.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@Dark649
He's not going to show it again. He gets a new form nearly every battle.

The Sage of Six Paths form is one of strongest in the verse and it is impossible for him to obtain something higher than that.

And Naruto has SPSM he has shown this multiple times sense the war. I even posted you proof.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

If he had it wouldn't he have used it on Momoshiki to quickly finish him off before he could blink?, Instead he fought with Sasuke in a lower form.

The same can be said for Naruto vs Toneri and Sasuke vs Kinshiki (Using Susanoo). But they didn't, doesn't mean couldn't. PIS unless you thought Naruto and Sasuke lost BM and PS, and even then, Naruto is proven to be able to One Shot Momo without it.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Yeah because he had help, without Sasuke and Baruto he would have never hit him. At least from what the movie showed us.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Yeah because he had help, without Sasuke and Baruto he would have never hit him. At least from what the movie showed us.

Naruto wouldn't have had a problem tagging him. Going by the movie, Momoshiki only Tagged Naruto Twice and couldn't out match him or Harm Him at all. And as shown, Naruto had the power to one shot him. Momoshiki's Hax was a problem but it would have been a problem even for Kaguya, so its pointless to argue this. Naruto didn't need Ashura mode. And in the Manga, Naruto in base could hold his own and overwhelm him in chakra mode.

This is the sane absurdity of Naruto using SPSM against Shin Jr. When his Base was more than capable.

 

[Dark649]

This is the sane absurdity of Naruto using SPSM against Shin Jr. When his Base was more than capable.

And yet, he was overwhelmed by his hax.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

If his base was more then enough he would have used it. Honestly I'm tired of hearing PIS every time someone stands up to or effects Naruto and Sasuke.

If the could have beat them without it then they would have. Unless they stated they where holding back.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

This is the sane absurdity of Naruto using SPSM against Shin Jr. When his Base was more than capable.

And yet, he was overwhelmed by his hax.

Naruto wasn't overwhelmed by Shin Jr. At all. Neither of them knew Shin's (The Leader) ability, so he cought them off guard by stabing Naruto with Sasuke's sword.

Later, Sasuke Blitzed and one shotted easily and Naruto was soft on Shin Jr. Not that any of this is relevant, just an example of not needing his strongest forms for low level enemies.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

If his base was more then enough he would have used it. Honestly I'm tired of hearing PIS every time someone stands up to or effects Naruto and Sasuke.
If the could have beat them without it then they would have. Unless they stated they where holding back.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of people ignoring proof in regards to Naruto. They always want to twist something or use no logical arguments. But that's what I gotta deal with because it's true just the same as its true for PIS moments in Naruto like him being knocked out from an attack he's stated to easily be able to blow away...makes no damn sense and only serves to further the plot.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Look, to get back on track here, Adult Naruto has SPSM like in the war and that is a fact. The Cloak =/= Six Paths Sage Mode.

In SPSM, Naruto is shown absorbing lots of Nature Energy. It's the basis of Sage Mode and Sage Jutsu.

There is nothing to suggest he can't achieve AM. The same as there is nothing to suggest Sasuke can't use Kirin, the same as there is nothing to suggest Naruto can't use V2 Jinchuriki modes.

This notion of there isn't enough solid information is baseless. That's what these scans prove.

 

[Dark649]

Sorry, but it was debuked the last time it was showed and this will be no exception.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I never said he couldn't use it. I'm pretty much in the middle but the fact that he hasn't used it in situations that are bad and call for this would lead people to believe he doesn't have it.

To always say "Oh, he doesn't need to use it" (even tho he's in trouble and needs help from others) is not good when he is clearly shown not winning.

 

[Amexim]

That's like saying Goku can't use SS3 because he hasn't used it since the Trunks arc. To assume he can't do something as simple as use three of his normal abilities-- Biju Cloak, Shadow Clones, and Senjutsu-- is pure downplay that is based on nothing but illapplied and unnecessary skeptism. It's like saying Goku has 2 base forms-- a huge claim that everyone who watches the same show wouldn't pick up on. In order for you to prove that Naruto can't do something as simple as using Sage Mode, Shadow Clones, Biju Cloak and the rasen abilities, you need to support your "debunk" with a statement. Come the **** on.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@Amexim LOL! No, Goku has shown SS3 in super so don't bring that up. Naruto has yet to show it after the time skip so don't compare the two.

Also no need for cursing

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Sorry, but it was debuked the last time it was showed and this will be no exception.

Can you link me to this supposed "Debunking", please. And you can't say that. You still haven't addressed the other comparisons, either, and no, they aren't irrelevant.

Proof is needed to "debunk" something. You guys have to prove Naruto doesn't have SPSM in order for him not being able to use AM, otherwise, any "debunking" is baseless.

 

[Amexim]

I mean, what's more likely. That, for some unexplained, yet totally legit and canon reason that isn't supported by direct statements that Naruto can't use Ashura mode, or that the whole Shin Jr. and Momoshiku no Ashura path shit is either PIS or CIS-- I mean he could have just gone tailed beast mystic cloak with Sasuke from the jump and one shot Momo before he could get a chance to react, but just like Goku not going SSB during any important fight, for some reason, Naruto didn't use it. I got you Barry.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

LOL!, Goku is known for holding back and it was stated in the tournament of power by Whis that SSB will use a lot of power so Goku and Vegeta won't use it a lot and Goku do use it in the most important fights as well, Goku vs Hit, Goku vs Golden Frieza, Goku vs Toppa, Goku vs Black, Goku vs Future Zamasu.

Please stop using Dragon Ball as a comparison.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@LordGriffin

Do you deny the fact Adult Naruto has SPSM and do you deny the fact SPSM allows him to take in massive amounts on NE?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

No, I'm neutral. It likely he still has it. He just never used it again and it sucks when we see him struggle a bit and he still brawls with a weaker mode but every battle is put in the PIS bin so they don't mean much to some people, they want visual proof.

For the Natural Energy thing. I thought Naruto could conjure Natural Energy normally by sitting their and I believe the Nine Tailes can do it to so I don't see why Naruto in a higher can't absorb a lot NE but again to some this might not be enough.

I'll countiue later, my head hurts pretty bad so I need to rest a bit.

 

[Amexim]

So if it's likely he still has it, and there's no reason he shouldn't, then why not list it on the page? What, can Sasuke not use Kirin anymore? Just because it's not convincing to some people, doesn't make it good reasoning. "Goku is only Continent level!" DBS down players screech desperate to protect their beloved blue boy scout idol. "Goku's never destroyed a planet himself, and therefore he can't do it!" When the logical people bring up "Power Scaling" and feats, they flee. There they hide, in their closet, praying to their hero... Megaman... Er... You get my point. If you agree that there's no stated reason why he shouldn't be able to use Ashura Mode, then why fight against the revision? Isn't pointing shit like this out what this section is for...?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Really!? LOL!

1. Stop talking about other verses, focus on Naruto!.

2. Goku being Wall Level is complete, utter BS and you know it. It's way!!! More believable that Naruto doesn't have this mode then Goku being Wall Level.

3. Kirin is a move, we are talking about a transformation that supposedly gives a massive boost to Naruto's stats and the fact that he doesn't use said transformation when things get bad is the problem.

4. I said I'm neutral, I have no problem with this except he doesn't use IT!... AT ALL!, Even in bad situations. True this doesn't atomaticlly mean he doesn't have it but you cannot make the claim "he does have it" even tho he doesn't use it. You guys try to deni this by saying "He didn't need it", "Plot wants these guys to stand a chance", "Oh that is PIS".

Damn, laughing hurts my head. Look we can go back and fourth all y'all want but it's your job to prove he has it. Using things from younger Naruto doesn't help as this isn't younger Naruto!, Current Naruto had yet to do this ever since his apperance but has had several chances to do so.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

"Goku is only Continent level!" DBS down players screech desperate to protect their beloved blue boy scout idol. "Goku's never destroyed a planet himself, and therefore he can't do it!" When the logical people bring up "Power Scaling"

1. Why did you change Wall Level to Continent Level? It's still utter BS that Goku is that low anywhy and it is still more believable that Naruto doesn't have this mode then Goku being Continent Level.

2. That same stupid argument "He never blow up a planet, therefore he can't do it"... LOL!!! Again Goku has consistenly fought, beat and killed beings capable of effortlessly destroying planets. Naruto has yet to use this form since the war so that comparison doesn't work.

Stop brigging up Dragon Ball please.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@LordGriffin

SPSM:




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So, again, Naruto has used it, multiple times. The Cloak =/= SPSM.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Infact, this is what the DB states about SPSM:

"Six Paths Sage Mode (Õà¡Úüôõ╗Öõ║║ÒâóÒâ╝Òâë, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo), Sage Justu / Ninjutsu used by Naruto. Most of this page is too blurry to read, so I can only translate some of it.


The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosphical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

Top caption says that the caster has an unconcious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (µÁ«ÚüèÒüÖÒéïÞâ¢Õèø, fuyü suru nōryoku).

Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"

Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

So, as you can see, it has nothing to do with the cloak.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I can see he has the same eye's and those 3 thick black lines but his outfit is a bit different, but as you said it has nothing to do with the cloak... Hmmm, well I half to say he would have it then since that is SPSM and the cloak has nothing to do with it.

I am convinced but my knowledge of Naruto history isn't that great and you will need to convince more then me.

You'll half to wait for more input but you have me convinced if nothing about the outfit is mentioned or relevant.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

He logically should be able to use it like Barry said, but he never has soooo.... I dunno. If he busts it out, he'd be stronger than Sasuke since he doesn't have access to Bijuu Susanoo anymore, and I'm pretty sure that's not what the writers want. They always want Sasuke and Naruto to be equals, so I doubt he'd use it again unless Sasuke gets some new powerup or something.

And yes, SPSM has nothing to do with the cloak.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Dark649 that we should wait until we get some proof.

We should probably close this thread.