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TBATE Discussion Thread

Testarossa002 said:
You can request for an evaluation here
https://vsbattles.com/threads/calculation-evaluations-new-forum.107523/ (follow the instructions on the first page)
Or message @Psychomaster35 or @TheRustyOne on their message wall for an evaluation. They're usually more responsive.
Would have done it myself but I'm a bit occupied with other verses atm.
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I posted it on the calculation evaluation thread. If we don't get a response in a few days, I'll reach out to those two directly.
 
By The previous calc (using low ball results)

Character who applie to the speed (War arc key) :

Uto : Far stronger/Faster than Arthur silver core with both realmhearth and TI => at least 2.968185c (FTL) to higher.
  • Jagrette : Relative or slightly below Arthur early war arc => at least 0.9888c (relativistic+) possibly higher
  • Seris : Could be relative or above Arthur white core with RLH and TI => at least 29.68185c (FTL+) possibly higher even higher in future
  • Cylrit : Stronger than silver core Arthur with realmhearth and TI => at least 2.968185c (FTL) and at most 29.68185c (FTL+)
  • Nico : In speed he is faster than Arthur white core base and slighty below realmhearth Arthur => At most 29.68185c (FTL+)
  • Sylvie : Stated to be slightly below retrainer level early volume 7 and possibly retrainer level end of volume => 0.9888c (relativistic+) to at most 2.968185c (FTL)
  • Mica/bairon/Aya : They are white core mage and Arthur high silver core with realmhearth > to bairon => at least 0.9888c (relativistic+) to 2.968185c (FTL) and possibly slightly higher.
  • Varay : is stronger than FP high silver core Arthur and relative or in the same tier that Arthur White core with realmhearth => At least 2.968185c (FTL) to at most 9.89395c (FTL)
 
Epheotus creation by a dragon

It happen in chapter 478 of WN when The edict of Fate showed the past and the origin of the world to Arthur.

so it could be 4A with creation and for the time frame we don't have a lot of information but it could be probably a short time frame with the term "fist" used
 
Korf3ll said:
Epheotus creation by a dragon

It happen in chapter 478 of WN when The edict of Fate showed the past and the origin of the world to Arthur.

so it could be 4A with creation and for the time frame we don't have a lot of information but it could be probably a short time frame with the term "fist" used
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I don't know about that , wasn't Epheotus created by just placing a third continent which existed on TBATE earth in a another dimension.

And the term "fist" is refered to dragons as a whole having a grip on this world , in fact in the scans you provided it's stated that the dragon was breathing a hole into the fabric of the world brobably creating a thing similar to "the rift" which connects Epheotus to Earth just in reverse (connectiong Epheotus to another dimension).
 
yeah it's true that's probably the connection but this rift allows the continent to takes place in Epheotus i think.

In the time line : Asura who grow up (mana core and ascendance) -> The dragon creates the rift and the dimension (without the continent) -> Asuras go to Epheotus and raise the continent in the dimension
 
Korf3ll said:
yeah it's true that's probably the connection but this rift allows the continent to takes place in Epheotus i think.

In the time line : Asura who grow up (mana core and ascendance) -> The dragon creates the rift and the dimension (without the continent) -> Asuras go to Epheotus and raise the continent in the dimension
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It's possible but it's equally possible that this dimension existed before the dragons and he just opened a hole into it , so honestly I'm neutral about it
 
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LOTM_Historian said:
No one reviewed the calc, even the staff i reached out to. 💔
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oh 😞 , for the previous calc (Arthur react to bairon)
Do we need to do a CRT to be able to apply it to pages?

We also have a new calculation to try and get Arthur to accept AC2, which sees the wraiths in slow motion. Varay freezing the etistin bay, Elijah making stone constructions.

Also upgrade for Aether hax, in the coming days and weeks I'm going to try and blog the calculations and see if I can get some petential evaluations.
 
Hopefully, I'll get around to rereading Volume 10 this week
All things being equal, we should start revisions before year's end
Any new calcs that need evaluation/feats that need to be calced/abilities blogs can be dropped here in the meantime

Thanks
 
This is a very dope quote that I'm definitely adding to sylvie's page whenever it gets made
I understand that I am both dragon and basilisk, the result of the lines of Indrath and Vritra. This is my lineage, but it is not my identity. I choose to be something beyond either of them. I choose to be unafraid.
I appreciate that I am an asura—a so-called greater being—bonded to a human, a “lesser.” Arthur is the third choice, the last hope, humanity’s ascension. There is no shame in my service to him, because through it the very idea of greater and lesser beings will be made meaningless.
I accept that I am order from chaos, spontaneous rebirth, the bond that holds against the inevitable. I am what the rest of my kind are not: changeable. I had my time, and I gave everything I was, and now my time has come again.
I am guardian and guide, caution and fury, daughter and partner.
But I am not my mother’s mistake or my father’s tool. I am not my grandfather’s treasure to be hoarded or weapon to be swung.
I reject the role required of my birth clans, and I refuse the name of Indrath or Vritra.
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Testarossa002 said:
Hopefully, I'll get around to rereading Volume 10 this week
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Done
As for revisions, it'll be divided into parts so as not to overwhelm staffs.
Part 1: Speed (Since that affects a lot of characters)
Part 2: AP/LS (Not that much. Just new keys for lances, cecilia etc)
Part 3: Verse Specific abilities (Basically a rework of this. so that we can use as an actual page)
Part 4: Arthur leywin revamp (page split etc)
Part 5: Eosteric stuffs {Aether/Mana explanation page. Basically this)
Those that don't need crts
1. New profiles (Chul, Regis, Sylvie, Wraiths, Asuras etc)
2. Layers (if any)

While establishing the verse, me and @SODAKU kinda just decided against using the Mica's black hole for AP scaling. This can change if there's any statement that emphasizes any attack after that as "unforeseen", "unprecedented"etc. The one that comes to mind is World Eater but with Windsom scaling to it, we run the risk of everybody scaling to the nuke equivalent of the verse. Let me know if there are any other attacks that have similar hypes

Thanks
 
Testarossa002 said:
Done
As for revisions, it'll be divided into parts so as not to overwhelm staffs.
Part 1: Speed (Since that affects a lot of characters)
Part 2: AP/LS (Not that much. Just new keys for lances, cecilia etc)
Part 3: Verse Specific abilities (Basically a rework of this. so that we can use as an actual page)
Part 4: Arthur leywin revamp (page split etc)
Part 5: Eosteric stuffs {Aether/Mana explanation page. Basically this)
Those that don't need crts
1. New profiles (Chul, Regis, Sylvie, Wraiths, Asuras etc)
2. Layers (if any)

While establishing the verse, me and @SODAKU kinda just decided against using the Mica's black hole for AP scaling. This can change if there's any statement that emphasizes any attack after that as "unforeseen", "unprecedented"etc. The one that comes to mind is World Eater but with Windsom scaling to it, we run the risk of everybody scaling to the nuke equivalent of the verse. Let me know if there are any other attacks that have similar hypes

Thanks
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i agree with all, For AP we can make a new basis for mid tier with varay and her feat when she froze etistin bay (probably scale around country to maybe continental)
 
Testarossa002 said:
We have an accepted size scaling for dicathen
Does it help the calc?
vsbattles.fandom.com

Land sizes for TBATE

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The value that i use and the value on the page are almost the same so i don't think

Also for Low and mid tier : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Korf3ll/SanboxElijahReactEWG?venotify=created this calc can up the verse
with adventurer scaling, AA Adventurer should scale 2.14064 Megaton (small city level), S class Beast are at least at 214.064 megaton (City level) to 2140.64 megaton (Mountian level).
So Arthur 11yo with realmhearth = Mountain level
With silver and White core multiplier (20 times and 10 times) he his with realmhearth in White core at 428 gigaton (Large island level)
Arthur with AC multiplier is at least in AC3 at 42.8 terraton on tnt (Country level)
But in last Stage of Realmherath he was far stronger thzn 2nd stage (able to completly blitz Nico from tens of meters) so he his with UES 20 times stronger in this form (low ball) : 8.560 teraton (Country level)
And so with AC multiplier, Volume 11 Arthur is at least : 856 Teraton (Continent level)

Imo the multiplier are good if we lack of feats but for Arthur AC i think he has his own feat so I'll have to see what I can do for this key
 
Korf3ll said:
The value that i use and the value on the page are almost the same so i don't think
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It'll be better to use that blog as reference so we don't have to start explaining the size scaling for mods
Korf3ll said:
Also for Low and mid tier : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Korf3ll/SanboxElijahReactEWG?venotify=created this calc can up the verse
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Using transonic via Reynolds falls under hiding calculations
So it'll probably not get accepted
You can use 1 second
 
Testarossa002 said:
It'll be better to use that blog as reference so we don't have to start explaining the size scaling for mods

Using transonic via Reynolds falls under hiding calculations
So it'll probably not get accepted
You can use 1 second
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i don't realy think, reynold is one of lowest character in tbate and we talk about the speed of a S mana class beast. Imo it isn't calc stacking or Hiding calc. Realisticly this is far above that but we can only assume that
 
Korf3ll said:
i don't realy think, reynold is one of lowest character in tbate and we talk about the speed of a S mana class beast. Imo it isn't calc stacking or Hiding calc. Realisticly this is far above that but we can only assume that
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I understand you but the wiki is very pedantic
This usually occurs if a feat is quantified per a rule of thumb instead of precisely calculated. A typical example would be a character dodging a bullet from a short distance being ranked as "Supersonic" and then using that ranking to calculate the speed of another character, whose speed one can compare to the former in some feat.
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I'll submit it for an evaluation anyways
Hopefully, it doesn't break any rules
Also, blog the varay calc
 
Hi guys, I was rereading the novel and I would like to help. In the Aether abilities blog, the manipulation of the void (in the Spatium branch) is missing. The first test (Conversion to Existence) appears in chapters 392 (Apathy and Ecstasy), with the Godrune Aroa's Requiem, which could rewind the previous state of the teleportation device from the existential erasure caused by the Godrune Destruction. The second test appears in chapters 399 and 465 (Cage of Light). In chapter 399, the dragons could open a hole into the void, which attempted to suck in Aldir. In chapter 465, the dragons summoned a void-creature that devoured everything. Additionally, all of this is justified by Fate's dialogue, where they tell Arthur that Aether is both space and emptiness. Additionally, soul manipulation should be added, as Aether can separate the soul from the body and also repair it (Chapters 108, 109, and 480).

Another small addition is to give Arthur resistance to sleep manipulation (scaled from young Sylvie, as she’s stated to be immune to "sleep-inducing herbs"). Arthur currently has an "Asura" body (it’s not exactly Asura, but comparable, as Arthur refers to his physical body as "Asura" multiple times, and he also has "Sylvie’s body"). Additionally, "Space Survival" should be added, as Arthur can "breathe-survive" in the void and in space (Chapter 380: A Void Beyond and Chapter 480).
 
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Bitllin12 said:
Hi guys, I was rereading the novel and I would like to help. In the Aether abilities blog, the manipulation of the void (in the Spatium branch) is missing. The first test (Conversion to Existence) appears in chapters 392 (Apathy and Ecstasy), with the Godrune Aroa's Requiem, which could rewind the previous state of the teleportation device from the existential erasure caused by the Godrune Destruction. The second test appears in chapters 399 and 465 (Cage of Light). In chapter 399, the dragons could open a hole into the void, which attempted to suck in Aldir. In chapter 465, the dragons summoned a void-creature that devoured everything. Additionally, all of this is justified by Fate's dialogue, where they tell Arthur that Aether is both space and emptiness. Additionally, soul manipulation should be added, as Aether can separate the soul from the body and also repair it (Chapters 108, 109, and 480).

Another small addition is to give Arthur resistance to sleep manipulation (scaled from young Sylvie, as she’s stated to be immune to "sleep-inducing herbs"). Arthur currently has an "Asura" body (it’s not exactly Asura, but comparable, as Arthur refers to his physical body as "Asura" multiple times, and he also has "Sylvie’s body"). Additionally, "Space Survival" should be added, as Arthur can "breathe-survive" in the void and in space (Chapter 380: A Void Beyond and Chapter 480).
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thanks and don't worry if i miss some thing, i didn't put all abilities rn (Like fate and aether void part).
For resistence to sleep manip and survival in space, Arthur had currently Self subsistence type 2 and 3 if i'm right and possibly type 1 so we could say 1,2 and 3. With that resist to sleep is a logic resistence and i don't think it's nessesar to put it like space survival who is a minor part of self subistance.
 
Reading through Volume 8.5 again to brush up on scaling and it turns out, the sheer pressure of Aldir prepping world eater created a cloud/storm throughout elenoir
Did some napkin maths and it came out to 3ish exatons
 
Testarossa002 said:
Reading through Volume 8.5 again to brush up on scaling and it turns out, the sheer pressure of Aldir prepping world eater created a cloud/storm throughout elenoir
Did some napkin maths and it came out to 3ish exatons
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did you have the scan ? i'd like to try to calculate it by myself
 
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TBATE: DUEL V2

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About this calculation i suggest something :
it has been arbitrarily chosen to use the speed of the sword in low ball for the speed of the kings. But I think we can increase this result without necessarily using calc stacking.

In the 1st chapter of Tbate, it is stated that Reynold, Arthur's father, breaks the sound barrier with his punches. As a reminder, he's an augmenter who didn't use mana to boost himself, and what's more, it was a simple training session. This means that without making too many assumptions in a fight to the death where he uses all his abilities he is at least at this level if not higher.

Then Arthur describes him as being very strong compared to the people from his previous life (compare to the head of the fighting elite). In Arthur's previous life kings were elected after a merit tournament which meant that they were among the best warriors in the world. In short a king is superior to an elite trainer who is of a relative level to Rey who is transonic just in simple training.

All of this is to say that using transonic speed as a baseline is not an exaggeration, especially as in the chapter description, the attack in question hit 2 points at the same time and was a bit like the unstoppable ultimate attack of the opposing king. An attack aimed at Grey's blow with the aim of killing him, which means that from a narrative point of view there's no problem in giving him transonic speed as a baseline.

This would therefore give a hypersonic base high speed for orange level Auger mages (8760 m/s if we replace the values in the starting calculation with 343.4 m/s).
 
Korf3ll said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

TBATE: DUEL V2

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

About this calculation i suggest something :
it has been arbitrarily chosen to use the speed of the sword in low ball for the speed of the kings. But I think we can increase this result without necessarily using calc stacking.

In the 1st chapter of Tbate, it is stated that Reynold, Arthur's father, breaks the sound barrier with his punches. As a reminder, he's an augmenter who didn't use mana to boost himself, and what's more, it was a simple training session. This means that without making too many assumptions in a fight to the death where he uses all his abilities he is at least at this level if not higher.

Then Arthur describes him as being very strong compared to the people from his previous life (compare to the head of the fighting elite). In Arthur's previous life kings were elected after a merit tournament which meant that they were among the best warriors in the world. In short a king is superior to an elite trainer who is of a relative level to Rey who is transonic just in simple training.

All of this is to say that using transonic speed as a baseline is not an exaggeration, especially as in the chapter description, the attack in question hit 2 points at the same time and was a bit like the unstoppable ultimate attack of the opposing king. An attack aimed at Grey's blow with the aim of killing him, which means that from a narrative point of view there's no problem in giving him transonic speed as a baseline.

This would therefore give a hypersonic base high speed for orange level Auger mages (8760 m/s if we replace the values in the starting calculation with 343.4 m/s).
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If you want to modify it feel free to do so , I'm a fairly preoccupied so i won't be able to .
 
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