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TBATE Discussion Thread

It's still a bit rough but i think that's the best I can do:

POWERS AND ABILITIES

"The beginning after the end" (later referred to as TBATE) is a decently powerful verse with a pretty clear cut power division. The lowest characters (Black core mages) scale around Building level , with mid-tiers (Yellow to Silver core mages) scaling from Town level to Large Town level , while high to god tiers (White to Integration stage mages and Warrior Asuras) scaling anywhere from Small City level up to Small Country level.

TBATE is also a decently fast verse with incredibly early statments of Low-tiers surpassing the speed of sound , with Mid tiers scaling from High-Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic levels by the virtue of verse providing multipliers used for downscaling, High-tiers usually scale from Massively Hypersonic+ to Sub-relativistic by the virtue of lightning magic (currently accepted as moving with the speed of real Lightning and some spells having a multipier) not being a threat to most characters to stronger High-tiers reaching Relativistic speeds with FTL charged attack speeds by being massively faster , having the multipiers to back it up and preforming a pretty blatant FTL feat, all the while God tiers scale to speeds barely above FTL due to upscaling and multipiers

In terms of lifting strength the verse starts off rather weak but still clearly above normal humans due to mana wich upgrades all physical stats , while in later parts of the story it grows by leaps and bounds with most Low-tiers scaling to Superhumans levels of lifting strength , Mid-tiers scaling anywhere from Class K to Class G , High-tiers downscaling to baseline Class T from stronger characters one of which resisted the pull of gravity from the black hole 3 meters in front of her and the strongest High-tiers going higher into class T , while God tiers scale to almost the peak of Class T

The main sources of power in the world of TBATE are Mana and Aether which are also building blocks of TBATE universe , all mages are able to utilize mana in two different ways Augmenting (strengthening the body) and Conjuring (casting spells) with most mages focusing on one or the other due to the inborn difference in their mana veins and channels with the distinction lessening the stronger you become , Augmenting (which gives the characters of the verse most of their physical characteristics) also provides a substantial amount of abilities listed here (
source) with higher levels even allowing characters to better withstand such devastating attacks like absolute zero and most elemental attacks of the verse and even allowing true flight for most of High-tiers and almost all of the God-tiers. Conjuring on the other hand gives character's a bunch of means to manipulate the world such as Elemntal , Gravity , Sound , Metal , Magma , Weather manipulation and a few others. Aether on the other hand allows the manipulation of the world on a more fundamental level (as it governs over space , time ,life and fate) with any living being predetermined for only one path it grants abilities such as Life/Death manipulation , Spatial manipulation (Including Teleportation , Pocket reality creation/manipulation etc...) , Time manipulation (Including Time stop , Precognition etc...) and at the peak of aether stands Fate manipulation. Despite Aether being so strong it's users are extremely few and far in-between (Mainly the Djinn who are extinct , Dragons and a few others) and most of its users utilise watered down versions of it as not a lot of beings can handle full burden of aether.
 
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Can somebody explain to me why is basically everyone in TBATE nuclear tier? The pages tell me nothing and there is no verse page.
 
Verse Page done.
You can now add your names to the supporters list
Thanks to SODAKU, you can easily get statistics and PnA so that you can make as many profiles as possible as long as you have an idea of their core level.
Thank you so much to everyone who contributed to this project in one way or the other
 
Verse Page done.
You can now add your names to the supporters list
Thanks to SODAKU, you can easily get statistics and PnA so that you can make as many profiles as possible as long as you have an idea of their core level.
Thank you so much to everyone who contributed to this project in one way or the other
Okay looks good , but firstly I wanted to inquire if i can tinker with it (mainly adding some links where i think they are necessary necessary and shortening the list of Arthur's abilities as some of them are already in a blog about core abilities?

Secondly your blog about abilities related to core stages are lacking some chapter sources , and i aim to update mine sometime in the future, i wanted to know if I could replace your blog about core related abilities with updated mine?
 
Okay looks good , but firstly I wanted to inquire if i can tinker with it (mainly adding some links where i think they are necessary necessary and shortening the list of Arthur's abilities as some of them are already in a blog about core abilities?
We'll need a CRT to change anything from now
Secondly your blog about abilities related to core stages are lacking some chapter sources , and i aim to update mine sometime in the future, i wanted to know if I could replace your blog about core related abilities with updated mine?
Same as the above
The pages are linked to my blog
Any changes now will require a CRT.
Was actually looking forward to reworking that blog but you can have at it.

I'm hoping we can hold off on any changes till volume 12 is completed
 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SODAKU/Sandbox1

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SODAKU/Sandbox2

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SODAKU/Sandbox3

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SODAKU/TBATE:_COMMON_ABILITIES

Here is three updated profiles (and updated general abilities page) that were collecting dust.

I'm posting this to get some opinions and maybe later I'll make a CRT to update them.

(The values are just for my convenience and will be removed sooner or later)
 
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Nice work
I'm honestly thinking of Splitting Arthur's profile into two
You can war till this volume is concluded
Then we can make a general CRt for most of the characters due to new feats

For the values, you can input them this way
<ref group="Note">Scales to approximately X</ref>
I also have an image for Elijah as a scythe
Needs rendering though
 
Wow
That's nice
On a less happy note though, the grey blitz calc will have to be redone due to change of standards for blitzing feats
 
Wow
That's nice
On a less happy note though, the grey blitz calc will have to be redone due to change of standards for blitzing feats
Which one, because the one where Grey blitzed a king comes from peak human sword swinging speed and not from reaction speed.

And the one where Grey gets blitzed (which was based on perception blitzing) isn't really useful for scaling as it gives us the speed of the higher tier earth characters but we have no scaling chain from them to Dicathen characters, well except Grey and we get his speed from the first calc.
 
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The latest chapter in the manhwa adapted Arthur's reaction feat against Bairon's lightning
If we can get that calc'd as that's the main feat for mid tiers
If it yields something higher than baseline lightning speed

Also, since Volume 11 is over, we can start working on revisions for the verse

Would need to reread the volume though.
 
The latest chapter in the manhwa adapted Arthur's reaction feat against Bairon's lightning
If we can get that calc'd as that's the main feat for mid tiers
If it yields something higher than baseline lightning speed

Also, since Volume 11 is over, we can start working on revisions for the verse

Would need to reread the volume though.
I honestly have no idea how to calc visual feats , as I've only done written feats but I'll see what i can do.

As for volume 11 I'm almost finished rereading and adding abilities to Arthur's blog , but my waining motivation prolonged this process. Although I think I might be finished with Arthur's profile today or tomorrow.
For this, you should include the 0.1 and 0.4 ends
1 second is massive lowball when you consider that perceiving lightning in slow motion alone is 3c
I'll do it later today
 
Hi guys i'm here to show you a calc for Arthur reaction speed on Bairon's Lighting in a chapter of of the manhwa (sorry if it's not in a blog post cuz i'm new on vsbw and i didn't know how it's work 😞)


- Pixel calculation of the feat (Value calculation)

- Calculation of the distance (3 result) :
Arthur turn his body from 180° and his head 90° so i'll take 90° in low ball and 180° in high ball :
  • Low ball : 1.2577784691972675m
    Mid ball : 1.2577784691972675 * pi * 90/180 = 1.97571379m
  • High ball : 1.2577784691972675 * pi * 180/180 = 3.951427m

    - Time frame Calculation
Bairon lightning speed : 440 000 m/s (Lightning magic in tbate = real lightning)
  • 0.11194859254731055302855/440 000 = 0.000000254428s
Arthur speed
Low Ball : 1.2577784691972675/0.000000254428 = 4 943 553.654461 m/s or 0.01648c (Sub Relativistic)
Mid ball : 1.97571379/0.000000254428 = 7 765 315.885044 m/s or 0.0259c (Sub relativistic)
High ball : 3.951427/0.000000254428 = 15 530 629.490464 m/s or 0.0518c (Sub relativistic+)

TI Multiplier for Arthur :
Low ball : 4 943 553.654461 * 3 = 14 830 660.963383 m/s (Sub Relativistic)
Mid ball : 7 765 315.885044 *3 = 23 295 947.655132 m/s (Sub relativistic+)
High ball : 15 530 629.490464 * 3 = 46 591 888.471392 m/s (Relativistic)

In white Core stage with 10 time multiplier (So Late war Arc Arthur)
Low ball : 14 830 660.963383 * 10 = 148 306 609.63383 m/s (Relativistic)
Mid ball : 23 295 947.655132 * 10 = 232 959 476.55132 m/s (Relativistic+)
High ball : 46 591 888.471392 * 10 = 465 918 884.71392 m/s or 1.554c (FTL)

In White core with Sylvia's will 2nd stade multiplier (Around 60 time) (So for Arthur end of war arc before 3rd stade of Realmhearth. btw it's not incoherent to have so high multiplier because Arthur power in volume 2 against EWG grown around 100 time thanks to sylvia's will)
Low ball : 148 306 609.63383 * 60 = 8 898 396 578.0298 m/s or 29.68185c (FTL+)
Mid ball : 232 959 476.55132 * 60 = 13 977 568 593.0792 m/s or 46.62415c (FTL+)
High ball : 465 918 884.71392 * 60 = 27 955 133 082.8352 m/s or 93.24828c (High FTL+)

So Arthur white core with Sylvia's will is FTL+ (higher with 3rd stage)


If you have any suggestions for elements that I have forgotten/added, please let me know. If the calculation seems coherent to you, why not make a blog page of it and have it judged for future upgrades?
The latest chapter in the manhwa adapted Arthur's reaction feat against Bairon's lightning
If we can get that calc'd as that's the main feat for mid tiers
If it yields something higher than baseline lightning speed

Also, since Volume 11 is over, we can start working on revisions for the verse

Would need to reread the volume though.
 
This is nice. I'll see about blogging it and getting it evaluated once I'm available to do so.
Thank you.

On a side note, I've gotten my hands on Volume 11. Once I get around to reading it, we'll begin revisions for the whole verse.
Which should include new calcs, abilities and profiles.
 
This is nice. I'll see about blogging it and getting it evaluated once I'm available to do so.
Thank you.

On a side note, I've gotten my hands on Volume 11. Once I get around to reading it, we'll begin revisions for the whole verse.
Which should include new calcs, abilities and profiles.
it's nice, tbate verse has a very good potential with the Aether and Fate, if you want i did a scaling about possible hax for Aether/Fate (conceptual manipulation type 2, causality manipulation, Cosmic awareness on higher dimension and more)
 
I was trying to revise the main profiles but i was (and currently am) busy with university so it went nowhere for the time being
 
Hi guys i'm here to show you a calc for Arthur reaction speed on Bairon's Lighting in a chapter of of the manhwa (sorry if it's not in a blog post cuz i'm new on vsbw and i didn't know how it's work 😞)


- Pixel calculation of the feat (Value calculation)

- Calculation of the distance (3 result) :
Arthur turn his body from 180° and his head 90° so i'll take 90° in low ball and 180° in high ball :
  • Low ball : 1.2577784691972675m
    Mid ball : 1.2577784691972675 * pi * 90/180 = 1.97571379m
  • High ball : 1.2577784691972675 * pi * 180/180 = 3.951427m

    - Time frame Calculation
Bairon lightning speed : 440 000 m/s (Lightning magic in tbate = real lightning)
  • 0.11194859254731055302855/440 000 = 0.000000254428s
Arthur speed
Low Ball : 1.2577784691972675/0.000000254428 = 4 943 553.654461 m/s or 0.01648c (Sub Relativistic)
Mid ball : 1.97571379/0.000000254428 = 7 765 315.885044 m/s or 0.0259c (Sub relativistic)
High ball : 3.951427/0.000000254428 = 15 530 629.490464 m/s or 0.0518c (Sub relativistic+)

TI Multiplier for Arthur :
Low ball : 4 943 553.654461 * 3 = 14 830 660.963383 m/s (Sub Relativistic)
Mid ball : 7 765 315.885044 *3 = 23 295 947.655132 m/s (Sub relativistic+)
High ball : 15 530 629.490464 * 3 = 46 591 888.471392 m/s (Relativistic)

In white Core stage with 10 time multiplier (So Late war Arc Arthur)
Low ball : 14 830 660.963383 * 10 = 148 306 609.63383 m/s (Relativistic)
Mid ball : 23 295 947.655132 * 10 = 232 959 476.55132 m/s (Relativistic+)
High ball : 46 591 888.471392 * 10 = 465 918 884.71392 m/s or 1.554c (FTL)

In White core with Sylvia's will 2nd stade multiplier (Around 60 time) (So for Arthur end of war arc before 3rd stade of Realmhearth. btw it's not incoherent to have so high multiplier because Arthur power in volume 2 against EWG grown around 100 time thanks to sylvia's will)
Low ball : 148 306 609.63383 * 60 = 8 898 396 578.0298 m/s or 29.68185c (FTL+)
Mid ball : 232 959 476.55132 * 60 = 13 977 568 593.0792 m/s or 46.62415c (FTL+)
High ball : 465 918 884.71392 * 60 = 27 955 133 082.8352 m/s or 93.24828c (High FTL+)

So Arthur white core with Sylvia's will is FTL+ (higher with 3rd stage)


If you have any suggestions for elements that I have forgotten/added, please let me know. If the calculation seems coherent to you, why not make a blog page of it and have it judged for future upgrades?
Looks good (y)
 
Evaluated and accepted
Is there any new AP feats we need to calc?
Haven't had the time to go through the volume
Cecilia could reach continental range for perception (so thousend of kilometers), she could probably have mana manip on 100km range (so she can probably scale at country to continental easely)

i have a calc for varay who froze etistin's bay around island level (i'll send it later)
 
Wait can't we argue infinite bc Epheotus has an infinite void?
Hmm, i think we have few problem with that statement. I don't say that it's impossible but we need bakc up (i'll explain why imo)

Firstly it was an internal POV so we have two option :
  • The guy from the POV can percieve something with infinite size (a void here) it's basically impossible and it will make many inchoerences if a character could do that.
  • The second option if it's true : The character is a fairly reliable source for that and then you still have to prove it. Knowing that as epheotus subsisted with a finite amount of mana I find it strange that it can maintain a structure of infinite size.

Then in the very last chapter of tbate (493) it was explained that Epheotus is like a kind of bubble and had a ‘limit’ so I don't think the presence of something infinite works here.

That's why I just think it's hyperbole. In context the infinite void might just mean that there's nothing as far as the eye can see but there's a huge difference between infinity and what we're able to perceive.
 
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