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TBATE Discussion Thread

Going through this for the scaling, this is what i think might change
1. Tessia is a high silver mage and the statement is plural in nature
I stared as Tessia stroked the pendant like it was a newborn. The elven princess was a powerful mage on the cusp of being a white core, a beast tamer capable of leveling mountains… yet, her narrow shoulders and her thin, pale arms seemed so delicate.
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So her and other High silver mages should be scaling to 2.5 Megatons
2. Arthur was noted to be mid-silver when the MHS+ (now sub-rel) feat was done. So the scaling starts from there instead of high-silver
Varay, who had been silently studying me, finally spoke. “I see your training has gone well. You’ve just stepped out of the initiate silver stage and into mid-silver.
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3. I think we should ditch the mana core multiplier scaling for some reasons
i. it's not directly stated which is an auto disqualifier these days
Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else. That means, for example, that if a verse has powerlevels or statistics, the doubling of a statistic or power level should not be concluded to correspond to the power of the character doubling, unless it is clearly specified to work that way.
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ii. it's not consistent in the way it's applied. for example, dark yellow core mages are regarded as slightly weaker than solid yellow ones in AP and speed
1.Dark-yellow core (downscaling slightly from Solid-yellow core mages as they aren't that much weaker)
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1.Dark-yellow core (downscaling slightly from Solid-yellow core mages as they aren't that much weaker) - at most High Hypersonic (mach 40) , likely lower
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but there's a whooping 14k difference when it comes to LS (5 million vs 350)
I think it's better we take care of it now before someone tries a downgrade in the future
for replacement scaling, i think baseline silver core mages can downscale to baseline low 7-B
Mid-high Yellow core mages can scale to 40% of mid silver arthur via this
With a smile, I increased my mana output to forty percent. A thick wave of mana burst out of me as well, but it was different from Madam Astera’s. While her mana took the form of a sharp and chaotic gale, mine manifested as a refined wave-like pulse.
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this is a way more direct statement and kinda contradicts the whole 20 times weaker thing
Glory should be superior to Astera and she's somewhere in the yellow core stage (would look for the specifics)
40% of baseline low 7-b is 400 Kilo. Baseline yellow mages can scale to baseline high 7-C (100kt)
everyone below that just scale to 8-C in the absence of personal feats.

4. The LS scaling might gain a significant boost. Lyra has a feat of withstanding Mica's Black hole from a few feet away as opposed to Seris's feat. lyra is much weaker than seris so that's a good upgrade for high tiers
that's all i can think of for now
thoughts?
 
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Testarossa002 said:
Going through this for the scaling, this is what i think might change
1. Tessia is a high silver mage and the statement is plural in nature

So her and other High silver mages should be scaling to 2.5 Megatons
2. Arthur was noted to be mid-silver when the MHS+ (now sub-rel) feat was done. So the scaling starts from there instead of high-silver

3. I think we should ditch the mana core multiplier scaling for some reasons
i. it's not directly stated which is an auto disqualifier these days

ii. it's not consistent in the way it's applied. for example, dark yellow core mages are regarded as slightly weaker than solid yellow ones in AP and speed


but there's a whooping 14k difference when it comes to LS (5 million vs 350)
I think it's better we take care of it now before someone tries a downgrade in the future
for replacement scaling, i think baseline silver core mages can downscale to baseline low 7-B
Mid-high Yellow core mages can scale to 40% of mid silver arthur via this

this is a way more direct statement and kinda contradicts the whole 20 times weaker thing
Glory should be superior to Astera and she's somewhere in the yellow core stage (would look for the specifics)
40% of baseline low 7-b is 400 Kilo. Baseline yellow mages can scale to baseline high 7-C (100kt)
everyone below that just scale to 8-C in the absence of personal feats.

4. The LS scaling might gain a significant boost. Lyra has a feat of withstanding Mica's Black hole from a few feet away as opposed to Seris's feat. lyra is much weaker than seris so that's a good upgrade for high tiers
that's all i can think of for now
thoughts?
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I agree with everything here
 
Scythes and beyond scale to 44ish Gigatons off Varay as even Nico (weak for a scythe) is overwhelmingly superior to Varay

Now lies the issue I'm facing
Lances (and, by extension, retainers) scaling is a bit weird
Varay is already stronger than the other lances, and the 6-C feat wasn't exactly a casual one.
So there's two options
1. Downscale the other lances to baseline 6-C (4.3 giga)
2. They scale massively above Tessia to an unquantifiable level (>2.5 MT)

I'm more in favour of the first one tbh. If we go the first route, there's some circular scaling to navigate
Tessia considers herself capable of fighting a retainer to a stalemate in a worst-case scenario
Tessia, who is the basis for mid tier scaling.
Solution?
Judge retainers on a case by case basis
Their feats aren't exactly consistent with each other, unlike other groups like lances or scythes
1. Lyra can hold off 3 lances at once (yay)
2. Jageurette died to mid silver Arthur and Sylvie (boo)
3. Uto killed a fully fledged lance on his own (yay)
4. Cylrit can spar with Chul, and Nico was sure Cylit could handle 3 lances on his own (yay)
5. Bilal was getting beat by Tessia, who was weaker than mid silver Arthur (boo)
You see the issue.
Tldr
Case by case scaling for retainers
Thoughts?
 
Testarossa002 said:
Scythes and beyond scale to 44ish Gigatons off Varay as even Nico (weak for a scythe) is overwhelmingly superior to Varay

Now lies the issue I'm facing
Lances (and, by extension, retainers) scaling is a bit weird
Varay is already stronger than the other lances, and the 6-C feat wasn't exactly a casual one.
So there's two options
1. Downscale the other lances to baseline 6-C (4.3 giga)
2. They scale massively above Tessia to an unquantifiable level (>2.5 MT)

I'm more in favour of the first one tbh. If we go the first route, there's some circular scaling to navigate
Tessia considers herself capable of fighting a retainer to a stalemate in a worst-case scenario
Tessia, who is the basis for mid tier scaling.
Solution?
Judge retainers on a case by case basis
Their feats aren't exactly consistent with each other, unlike other groups like lances or scythes
1. Lyra can hold off 3 lances at once (yay)
2. Jageurette died to mid silver Arthur and Sylvie (boo)
3. Uto killed a fully fledged lance on his own (yay)
4. Cylrit can spar with Chul, and Nico was sure Cylit could handle 3 lances on his own (yay)
5. Bilal was getting beat by Tessia, who was weaker than mid silver Arthur (boo)
You see the issue.
Tldr
Case by case scaling for retainers
Thoughts?
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Wasn't Bilial a replacement retainer for Jagtette who lost to Silver core Arthur, anyway i agree with the first method and weren't we already dividing retainers in different classes.
 
Testarossa002 said:
Scythes and beyond scale to 44ish Gigatons off Varay as even Nico (weak for a scythe) is overwhelmingly superior to Varay

Now lies the issue I'm facing
Lances (and, by extension, retainers) scaling is a bit weird
Varay is already stronger than the other lances, and the 6-C feat wasn't exactly a casual one.
So there's two options
1. Downscale the other lances to baseline 6-C (4.3 giga)
2. They scale massively above Tessia to an unquantifiable level (>2.5 MT)

I'm more in favour of the first one tbh. If we go the first route, there's some circular scaling to navigate
Tessia considers herself capable of fighting a retainer to a stalemate in a worst-case scenario
Tessia, who is the basis for mid tier scaling.
Solution?
Judge retainers on a case by case basis
Their feats aren't exactly consistent with each other, unlike other groups like lances or scythes
1. Lyra can hold off 3 lances at once (yay)
2. Jageurette died to mid silver Arthur and Sylvie (boo)
3. Uto killed a fully fledged lance on his own (yay)
4. Cylrit can spar with Chul, and Nico was sure Cylit could handle 3 lances on his own (yay)
5. Bilal was getting beat by Tessia, who was weaker than mid silver Arthur (boo)
You see the issue.
Tldr
Case by case scaling for retainers
Thoughts?
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for reverse scaling of retrainers, yes, there are a lot of differences. First of all ‘low tier’ retrainers like jagrette and bilal are worth a silver core mage, Jagrette can be relative to a low white core given that Arthur was with realmhearth. Arthur with realmhearth in yellow stage is worth a silver stage like virion.

The other retrainers are worth lances with the exception of varay who has been proven on numerous occasions at a completely different level.

Alea was aware that she was one of the weakest lances, so she was a low white core, given that Arthur silver core performed much better than her.

All in all, in my scaling in chain:
Arthur end of volume 7 > Nico > Cylrit (volume 7) > Varay war arc = Lyra (same tier)
Uto >> Arthur silver core (high) >= Baryon > mica > Arthur mid silver core >= Jagrette > Alea > Tessia mid silver core > Billal

for the statement with Arthur it's strange because Arthur High silver core is faster than Varay herself (although very close) knowing that varay is the strongest lance at the time. So Arthur, who's only slightly faster than he was at the start of the war, manages to outrun Varay but uses 40% of his speed in a fight against a yellow core? We've seen Uto literally blitz random without difficulty Uto who is worth Arthur white core and Alea being a white level mage.
Plus I just think it's simply the basic mana boost given to a silver core (so the minimum layer a mage carries) knowing that it's an augmentor that can boost itself even more (without mentioning TI) I think this statement would be a PIS from the author in this case precisely.
 
Testarossa002 said:
Scythes and beyond scale to 44ish Gigatons off Varay as even Nico (weak for a scythe) is overwhelmingly superior to Varay

Now lies the issue I'm facing
Lances (and, by extension, retainers) scaling is a bit weird
Varay is already stronger than the other lances, and the 6-C feat wasn't exactly a casual one.
So there's two options
1. Downscale the other lances to baseline 6-C (4.3 giga)
2. They scale massively above Tessia to an unquantifiable level (>2.5 MT)

I'm more in favour of the first one tbh. If we go the first route, there's some circular scaling to navigate
Tessia considers herself capable of fighting a retainer to a stalemate in a worst-case scenario
Tessia, who is the basis for mid tier scaling.
Solution?
Judge retainers on a case by case basis
Their feats aren't exactly consistent with each other, unlike other groups like lances or scythes
1. Lyra can hold off 3 lances at once (yay)
2. Jageurette died to mid silver Arthur and Sylvie (boo)
3. Uto killed a fully fledged lance on his own (yay)
4. Cylrit can spar with Chul, and Nico was sure Cylit could handle 3 lances on his own (yay)
5. Bilal was getting beat by Tessia, who was weaker than mid silver Arthur (boo)
You see the issue.
Tldr
Case by case scaling for retainers
Thoughts?
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IF I update the speed,
For the red core they are transonic with the feat of rey, For the orange core I planned a recalculation of the feat with grey on a basis high hypersonic to approximately 8670m/s.
I don't know where to put the orange core characters right now.
Silver mid level characters are at about 10,000,000 m/s and high silver core at 15,000,000 m/s (based on Arthur)
weaker white core mages like alea should scale on Arthur mid silver core with TI at minimum so 0.15c or 45 000 000 m/s is not crazy if lyra can hold 3 lance and is light speed, Uto should be in a similar tier I guess. Arthur being white level with the x10 arrives at 1.5c which seems to me always coherent with the scaling of lyra which is LS.

High-level retrainers are based on LS, so characters like varay could also be tuned to it, as well as Elijah who should scale on it (being slower than Arthur at white core).

With that: Arthur Ac1 full power is in the same tier as Seris, so at 1.5c in base line, which seems coherent if Lyra is quietly ls, given the power gap between them.
Cadell would be FTL+ at 15c, the same level as Arthur AC2, which is x10 higher than before. Remain logical with Lyra and her LS scale, all of which are big lowballs.
 
Testarossa002 said:
Scythes and beyond scale to 44ish Gigatons off Varay as even Nico (weak for a scythe) is overwhelmingly superior to Varay

Now lies the issue I'm facing
Lances (and, by extension, retainers) scaling is a bit weird
Varay is already stronger than the other lances, and the 6-C feat wasn't exactly a casual one.
So there's two options
1. Downscale the other lances to baseline 6-C (4.3 giga)
2. They scale massively above Tessia to an unquantifiable level (>2.5 MT)

I'm more in favour of the first one tbh. If we go the first route, there's some circular scaling to navigate
Tessia considers herself capable of fighting a retainer to a stalemate in a worst-case scenario
Tessia, who is the basis for mid tier scaling.
Solution?
Judge retainers on a case by case basis
Their feats aren't exactly consistent with each other, unlike other groups like lances or scythes
1. Lyra can hold off 3 lances at once (yay)
2. Jageurette died to mid silver Arthur and Sylvie (boo)
3. Uto killed a fully fledged lance on his own (yay)
4. Cylrit can spar with Chul, and Nico was sure Cylit could handle 3 lances on his own (yay)
5. Bilal was getting beat by Tessia, who was weaker than mid silver Arthur (boo)
You see the issue.
Tldr
Case by case scaling for retainers
Thoughts?
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moreover, when I reread chapter 118 of the web novel for realmheart, it says that mana manipulation is greatly improved and more efficient, which means that even if it's not a boost per se, the power and speed of Arthur's mana attacks are on a whole new level. I don't know if we can have a quantified apporach but Arthur Base form is 11 years old and is worth a large A-rank creature if not inferior to it in 1vs1. And with realmheart his attack power allows him to easily defeat a corrupted mana beast of class S that has itself annihilated any other adventurer of the team (with ranks close to silver level like Brald. Arthur a xyrius with realmheart demolished Lucas who with rune amplification was of a similar level to a silver core. This means that in low ball in this temporary form we can deduce the average difference between a yellow and silver level. In low ball I'd put an increase by at least 10 where it makes sense if it can compensate for 1 to 2 levels of full mana core. In mid ball I can see a difference of 20.
In short, if he uses Ti and realmheart at the same time, TI being an increase via mana and realmheart amplifying the use of mana, that would be a boost of 30 compared to his base form.
 
I don't think we're expecting any more calcs so this is how the god tier ratings look like
AP
4.3 Giga: Lances (except Varay), Retainers (except Jagarette and Bilial), and whoever scales to them
44.31 Giga: Varay and Nico
52.15 Giga: Scythes (except Nico)
521.5: Cadell, Taci, Wraiths
1.6 Tera: Aether Blade
16 Tera: Aldir, Cecilia, etc
48 Tera: Another Aether Blade (not sure when the Aldir>Arthur statement was made. If @SODAKU could clarify)

Speed
0.155c: Lances and Retainers (except Jagarette and Bilial)
1.4c: Nico and Early AC Arthur
14c: Scythes (except Nico), No limit Lances
51.2c: IS Varay, Cadell, Taci, Wraiths, etc
512c: Cecilia, Aldir, etc
5051000c: Arthur's Perception Speed, Arthur's Burst Step/Strike (way faster than Arthur can keep up), Kezees, etc

LS
9.09 x 10¹⁴ NT: Lances, Retainers (except Jagarette and Bilial), Nico, etc
9.09 × 10¹⁵: Scythes (except Nico), No limit Lances
9.09 x 10¹⁶ (Class P): Everyone else

Thoughts?
 
Testarossa002 said:
I don't think we're expecting any more calcs so this is how the god tier ratings look like
AP
4.3 Giga: Lances (except Varay), Retainers (except Jagarette and Bilial), and whoever scales to them
44.31 Giga: Varay and Nico
52.15 Giga: Scythes (except Nico)
521.5: Cadell, Taci, Wraiths
1.6 Tera: Aether Blade
16 Tera: Aldir, Cecilia, etc
48 Tera: Another Aether Blade (not sure when the Aldir>Arthur statement was made. If @SODAKU could clarify)
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If i remember correctly it was just after Arthur got 3rd layer of aether core , also if your World eater calc gets accepted we can update my calc for Windsoms durability which will upgrade the top tiers.
 
SODAKU said:
If i remember correctly it was just after Arthur got 3rd layer of aether core , also if your World eater calc gets accepted we can update my calc for Windsoms durability which will upgrade the top tiers.
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Eh...I don't if that's possible
My calc is for the storm WE causes
Not the actual explosion like the original calc
 
Testarossa002 said:
Eh...I don't if that's possible
My calc is for the storm WE causes
Not the actual explosion like the original calc
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Yo calculated the KE of the storm he created which would have hit Windsom + it's not storm magic but an aftereffect of the explosion so (in my opinion at least) it's possible to use
 
Testarossa002 said:
I don't think we're expecting any more calcs so this is how the god tier ratings look like
AP
4.3 Giga: Lances (except Varay), Retainers (except Jagarette and Bilial), and whoever scales to them
44.31 Giga: Varay and Nico
52.15 Giga: Scythes (except Nico)
521.5: Cadell, Taci, Wraiths
1.6 Tera: Aether Blade
16 Tera: Aldir, Cecilia, etc
48 Tera: Another Aether Blade (not sure when the Aldir>Arthur statement was made. If @SODAKU could clarify)

Speed
0.155c: Lances and Retainers (except Jagarette and Bilial)
1.4c: Nico and Early AC Arthur
14c: Scythes (except Nico), No limit Lances
51.2c: IS Varay, Cadell, Taci, Wraiths, etc
512c: Cecilia, Aldir, etc
5051000c: Arthur's Perception Speed, Arthur's Burst Step/Strike (way faster than Arthur can keep up), Kezees, etc

LS
9.09 x 10¹⁴ NT: Lances, Retainers (except Jagarette and Bilial), Nico, etc
9.09 × 10¹⁵: Scythes (except Nico), No limit Lances
9.09 x 10¹⁶ (Class P): Everyone else

Thoughts?
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W overall i think
 
SODAKU said:
Yo calculated the KE of the storm he created which would have hit Windsom + it's not storm magic but an aftereffect of the explosion so (in my opinion at least) it's possible to use
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nah
the storm happened before the explosion
Instead, she pushed her way into the middle of their group and held the medallion above her head. Her arm trembled with the effort.
The sky above her darkened.
Shifting my perspective, I watched with awe and dawning horror as Aldir began to expand.
As the asura grew, his third eye glowed even brighter until it shone like a golden sun from his forehead. Tendrils of golden mana writhed like holy flames from his silver armor as he continued to grow.
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Testarossa002 said:
nah
the storm happened before the explosion
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From what you posted in the blog it shouldn't be the case

Watching the distant sky turn white would have been ominous even without the pressure. When it flashed pink, I pulled Camellia to my side, certain that something was about to happen. Black clouds rolled over the distant mountain range
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Either the storm begins before the explosion and gets dispersed by it wich isn't what's happening or the storm is the result of the explosion (+ when something is very bright it looks like everything else is getting darker considering "As the asura grew, his third eye glowed even brighter until it shone like a golden sun from his forehead." that may also be a possibility)
 
SODAKU said:
From what you posted in the blog it shouldn't be the case



Either the storm begins before the explosion and gets dispersed by it wich isn't what's happening or the storm is the result of the explosion (+ when something is very bright it looks like everything else is getting darker considering "As the asura grew, his third eye glowed even brighter until it shone like a golden sun from his forehead." that may also be a possibility)
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looking at it now, you're probably right

Regarding the scaling blog, it mentions this
Late AC Arthur (should be stronger than average scythe , was confident in taking on Scythe Dragoth - ch.344) - at least 7-B (10.8 megatons of tnt), likely higher
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looking at the chapter now, that doesn't seem to be the case
These thoughts passed through my mind between one heartbeat and the next, and I realized something.
It wasn’t fear that I was feeling.
It was anger.
As one, the body of students took a knee, and suddenly I was exposed to the Scythe.
Dragoth’s wide head swiveled around until his blood red eyes locked on mine. He frowned, halting for a moment, and I felt as if he was looking through my eyes and into my mind, seeing my hostility as plainly as if I’d pointed a sword at his heart.
‘Art! Your intent, he can feel it!’ Regis sounded panicked, but distant, and I realized with a start that I had inadvertently suffused my entire body with aether.
Blinking, I withdrew my intent—which had only just leaked out and was still shrouded under the Scythe’s own oppressive aura—and the crowd of students stood, once again obscuring me in the throng.
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it's never implied if he was actually capable of fighting relative to Dragoth. It also mentions how Arthur's aura is still somehow inferior to Dragoth's
It wasn't until he got the second AC, that confidence was shown
As if we'd be so lucky,' Regis said, now wide awake and practically humming with anticipation. 'Do you think we'd even need to break out Destruction to kick Dragoth's ass at this point? I mean, with that new dual-layer core of yours—’
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If any confidence scaling is to be done for Late aether core arthur, it should be with Destruction
Which isn't exactly a conventional attack
It should be noted that Caera does put him at scythe level pre second layer but:
1. She wasn't fully certain
2. She probably hasn't even seen Seris fight at peak level before
“His bladesmanship is impeccable, flawless, just…brilliant. And paired with his unique magic, I’m half certain he would be able to stand his ground against even you, Scythe Seris.”
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Where should we start scaling people to IS Varay's FTL+ feat?
I think she should still be inferior to people like Taci or the Wraiths
Thoughts?
 
Testarossa002 said:
looking at it now, you're probably right

Regarding the scaling blog, it mentions this

looking at the chapter now, that doesn't seem to be the case

it's never implied if he was actually capable of fighting relative to Dragoth. It also mentions how Arthur's aura is still somehow inferior to Dragoth's
It wasn't until he got the second AC, that confidence was shown

If any confidence scaling is to be done for Late aether core arthur, it should be with Destruction
Which isn't exactly a conventional attack
It should be noted that Caera does put him at scythe level pre second layer but:
1. She wasn't fully certain
2. She probably hasn't even seen Seris fight at peak level before


Where should we start scaling people to IS Varay's FTL+ feat?
I think she should still be inferior to people like Taci or the Wraiths
Thoughts?
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1.I was referring to ch.344(it's different for you as I was reading from unofficial sources):

"Chatter broke out amongst the crowd all around me, but I could only stare at the Scythe. He was right there. I could kill him now. I could deprive Agrona of one of his most powerful soldiers. I could—

‘—listening to me?’ Regis’s voice was suddenly shouting in my head. ‘We can’t just—’

I know, I thought, pushing back my emotions and turning away. Now isn’t the time"

2.I have no idea how to scale Varay so i will reserve my opinion untill i see more of what she can do.
Testarossa002 said:
Here's the blog (WIP) to go through
Feedback would be appreciated
vsbattles.fandom.com

Testarossa002/TBATE Scaling Revision

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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This is mostly fine but:
1.Nico's speed is a bit iffy , he is ftl for keeping up with Arthur but Arthur who is ftl blitzed him
2.I think Taci's spear should be just rated as "far higher" + plus it cuts through mana so scaling it becomes a mess
3.In my opinion only Cadell's blood iron should be rated as Low 6-B as it's the only thing he used to deflect the aether blade , and Arthur said without exaggeration that it would only take one good blow to kill Cadell + we see Cadell always evading or deflecting never taking/tanking a hit.
 
SODAKU said:
Nico's speed is a bit iffy , he is ftl for keeping up with Arthur but Arthur who is ftl blitzed him
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Arthur had multiple amps during that fight. I'll elaborate on his speed section later
The rest are okay
Btw, can you walk me through your 4-A/3-A scaling for Fate Arthur?
I remember seeing it in your blog
 
Testarossa002 said:
Arthur had multiple amps during that fight. I'll elaborate on his speed section later
The rest are okay
Btw, can you walk me through your 4-A/3-A scaling for Fate Arthur?
I remember seeing it in your blog
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It's the Aether Realm explosion, a single use technique which he needs support to activate (Mainly Sylvie) it's pretty big so i thought i would add just for fun. Basically Souls=Aether as we already know aether carries emotions + when people die their soul dissolves into aether, dragons purged a lot of civilisations to prevent them from using aether wich should have been filling the world was funneled into another dimension. With each destroyed civilization a ton of aether wich carried a lot of negative emotions was dumped into the aether realm which built up the pressure inside of it. If Arthur with the use of Evolved God Step pulled at the curtains of the realm it will release the aether so violently that it will destroy the universe.
 
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SODAKU said:
It's the Aether Realm explosion, a single use technique eich he needs support to activate (Mainly Sylvie) it's pretty big so i thought i would add just for fun. Basically Souls=Aether as we already know aether carries emotions + when people die their soul dissolves into aether, dragons purged a lot of civilisations to prevent them from using aether wich should have been filling the world was funneled into another dimension. With each destroyed civilization a ton of aether wich carried a lot of negative emotions was dumped into the aether realm which built up the pressure inside of it. If Arthur with the use of Evolved God Step pulled at the curtains of the realm it will release the aether so violent that it will destroy the universe.
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Hmm
I'm not entirely sure about this but I'll give it more thought
By the way
I think I've found a way to scale Cadell and Co to varay's feat
In volume 1, sylvia mentioned that only when Arthur reaches beyond white core (integration) would he hear from her again
Obviously, he didn’t get there, but he heard from her again, and she said this:
Having gotten to this stage means that you’ve had to fight for your life against foes much stronger than you, and that could only be Agrona and the Vritra that serve him.”
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It's not as clear-cut as I would have liked, but it's something
 
Uh
I came across this:
Aether condensed in my muscles and joints, and Burst Step, powered by hundreds of precisely timed explosions of aether, carried me back across the room in a near-instant blink. Aether burst along my shoulders, biceps, elbow, forearm, and wrist, and shrouded my fist protectively, delivering an impossibly fast and powerful blow at the end of my step.
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Describing Burst Strike
200x multiplier from base?
By the current scaling, it'll take it to around 1 Petatons (6-A)
 
Even the 200 is a low-ball as the attack works by accumulating explosions throughout the body until it reaches the fist
I stepped forward, utilizing the Burst Step technique to cross the distance between me and the creature in an instant. At the same time, aether flowed up my spine and through my shoulders, down my arms, and into my forearms, wrists, and knuckles. At each muscle and joint, the aether combusted in a perfectly timed burst, each driving my strike forward with an exponentially growing amount of speed and force.
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Besides, the Aether Blade multiplier works on a similar principle (3x the power of a single Aether explosion)
 
Testarossa002 said:
Here's the blog (WIP) to go through
Feedback would be appreciated
vsbattles.fandom.com

Testarossa002/TBATE Scaling Revision

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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Almost done for individual scaling. The values they'll scale to are sorted though.
Here's the scaling note/summary for AP and Speed
Attack Potency
  • Average Mana users scale to 0.799 Tons (8-C) from Kid Arthur’s feat
  • The 7-Cs such as the average Yellow Core mages downscale to 500 Kilotons from the weakest Low 7-Bs
  • The lowest Low 7-Bs such as Peak Yellow Core mages scale to 40% of Tessia’s statement (1 Megaton)
  • The highest Low 7-Bs scale to Tessia’s statement (2.5 Megatons)
  • The 7-As like Realmheart Arthur scale to 100x the weakest Low 7-Bs (100 Megatons)
  • The lowest 6-Cs downscale from Varay’s feat (4.3 Gigatons)
  • The middle 6-Cs scale to Varay’s feat (44.31 Gigatons)
  • The upper 6-Cs upscale to from Varay’s feat to baseline 6-C+ (52.15 Gigatons)
  • The High 6-Cs scale 10x above the uppers 6-Cs (521.5 Gigatons)
  • The Low 6-Bs scale 3x above the High 6-Cs (1.564 Teratons) via scaling to/above Arthur's Aether Blade
  • The lowest 6-Bs scale 10x above the High 6-Cs (15.64 Teratons)
  • The highest 6-Bs scale 3x above the lowest 6-Bs via scaling to Arthur's Aether Blade (46.93 Teratons)
  • The 6-As scale to 200x above the Lowest 6-Bs (3.129 Petatons)

Speed
  • Average Mana users scale to Grey's feat (Mach 3.34)
  • The lowest Sub-Rel characters downscale from middle Sub-Rel characters to baseline Sub-Rel (0.01c)
  • The highest Sub-Rel characters scale to 40% of Arthur's Feat (0.02072c)
  • The lowest Sub-Rel+ characters scale to Arthur's Feat (0.0518c)
  • The highest Sub-Rel+ characters scale 3x above the highest Sub-Rel characters (0.06216c)
  • The lowest Relativistic characters scale 3x above Arthur's Feat (0.1554c)
  • The highest Relativistic characters scale 3x above the lowest Relativistic characters (0.4662c)
  • The FTL characters scale 3x above the highest Relativistic characters (1.4c)
  • The FTL+ characters scale to Varay’s Feat (51.2c)
  • The MFTL characters scale 10x above Varay’s feat (512c)
  • The lowest MFTL+ characters scale to Arthur's Feat (5051000 c)
  • The highest MFTL+ characters scale 10x above Arthur's Feat (50510000 c)
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Thoughts?
 
Testarossa002 said:
Almost done for individual scaling. The values they'll scale to are sorted though.
Here's the scaling note/summary for AP and Speed

Thoughts?
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The 200x multiplier seems iffy to me so I'll stay neutral on that also where does the last 10x multiplier for speed appear, but everything else looks fine.
 
SODAKU said:
The 200x multiplier seems iffy to me so I'll stay neutral on that also where does the last 10x multiplier for speed appear, but everything else looks fine.
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Third layer of Arthur's Aether Core
The Kezees stuff was in volume 10 and he developed the third layer in early volume 11
Also
I'm thinking about downscaling the Scythe’s to 10x less than Varay’s feat via the Aether Core stuff
It's going to be a slight upgrade anyways (1.4c to 5.1c)
 
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