Tatsumaki (OPM) vs Merlin (NNT)

[Demon_Lord18]

Objectively wrong based on everything said so far.

Lol, you can't say people are wrong just because they don't agree with you. This isn't an exact science where only one result is true.

 

[Phoenks]

Lol, you can't say people are wrong just because they don't agree with you. This isn't an exact science where only one result is true.

Given all the discussion we have had so far there is indeed an objective conclusion to be had here.

I spelled it out for y'all multiple times. Nobody on that side has even tried to debunk me. Why? Because it isn't possible given their arguments. As said before, the opposition literally dug their own grave by giving multiple possible Merlin first moves which majority lose to Tatsumaki's singular first move win condition.

It's simple math at that point. I did the math for you already.

 

[Catbowtie]

Should the Merlin votes even count? They're objectively wrong until proven otherwise.

I know you're an Admin and all but there's nothing to say that votes can be invalidated. I don't think there's actually any rules that invalidate votes as long as they aren't just "I vote X"

Deciding a Winner​

The winner will be determined by the side having better constructive arguments, rather than one-word/one-sentence votes, which will be disregarded. However, one-word/one-sentence votes agreeing with another member's reasoning will be accepted as valid votes.

 

[Makai641001]

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The instant she tries reading her mind she dies to Tatsumaki's thought-

Balor’s eye give her prior knowledge.

Which leads to her knowing Tats plan, power, range etc…

Merlin has win cons, but can also counter Tats only viable one with TP and PC.

Tats has a win con but can’t counter Merlin’s ones.

Btw y’all are being generous to Tats assuming TK crush is a 100% of the time first move, while she often starts with throwing projectiles, tornadoes throwing people etc…


Using your logic if we go with OPM manga Tats has a few starting moves:

Projectiles
Tornados
TK crush
Grabbing and throwing against environment

In 3 case scenarios she gets killed

In 1 she gets countered and then killed

And if y’all want to argue that she kills instantly that’s 25% of her sig moves

Merlin has WAY more ways to go but has prior knowledge which lead her to adapt to counter

Anyway i will unwatch this thread the back and forth was crazy

 

[Kachon123]

she often starts with throwing projectiles, tornadoes throwing people etc…

This is blatantly false.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Balor’s eye give her prior knowledge.

Which leads to her knowing Tats plan, power, range etc…

Merlin has win cons, but can also counter Tats only viable one with TP and PC.

Tats has a win con but can’t counter Merlin’s ones.

Btw y’all are being generous to Tats assuming TK crush is a 100% of the time first move, while she often starts with throwing projectiles, tornadoes throwing people etc…


Using your logic if we go with OPM manga Tats has a few starting moves:

Projectiles
Tornados
TK crush
Grabbing and throwing against environment

In 3 case scenarios she gets killed

In 1 she gets countered and then killed

And if y’all want to argue that she kills instantly that’s 25% of her sig moves

Merlin has WAY more ways to go but has prior knowledge which lead her to adapt to counter

Anyway i will unwatch this thread the back and forth was crazy

Yeah even though I'm voting Merlin I have to disagree. All the times I've read opm tats does always start with TK. Unless it's like fodders she's trying not to kill

 

[Makai641001]

This is blatantly false.

Yeah even though I'm voting Merlin I have to disagree. All the times I've read opm tats does always start with TK. Unless it's like fodders she's trying not to kill

Chapter 44 Tats starts by grabbing and throwing projectiles, not TK crush instantly

Chapter 69 Tats starts by grabbing in the air then uses TK crush

Chapter 93 she starts with barriers let him destroy buildings then uses a tornado the other heroes finished their fights before she completely killed the monster

Chapter 128 barrier, kind of vector manip to counter the lasers etc…

Blud doesn’t always starts with TK crush and basically never use it instantly lol

 

[Robo432343]

Chapter 44 Tats starts by grabbing and throwing projectiles, not TK crush instantly

Chapter 69 Tats starts by grabbing in the air then uses TK crush

Chapter 93 she starts with barriers let him destroy buildings then uses a tornado the other heroes finished their fights before she completely killed the monster

Chapter 128 barrier, kind of vector manip to counter the lasers etc…

Blud doesn’t always starts with TK crush and basically never use it instantly lol

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Because it isn't possible given their arguments. As said before, the opposition literally dug their own grave by giving multiple possible Merlin first moves which majority lose to Tatsumaki's singular first move win condition.

Could you logically explain why she didn't just erase him as her first move here, or here when he asks if he should destroy a capsule with poison, or here when she is clearly angry and instead just crushes him with rocks? You say she always starts with this against weak opponents, but that's not what I'm seeing.

It's simple math at that point. I did the math for you already.

Opinion is not simple math, much less exact. Your arguments were not convincing, that's all.


Anyway, I won't keep chasing my own tail. This will be my last comment.

 

[Makai641001]

Chapter ?

And as I said

Blud doesn’t always starts with TK crush and basically never use it instantly lol

She doesn’t always starts with this and even when she does it’s not instantaneously a kill

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Robo432343]

I know you're an Admin

thats fake

 

[Recon1511]

Could you logically explain why she didn't just erase him as her first move here, or here when he asks if he should destroy a capsule with poison, or here when she is clearly angry and instead just crushes him with rocks? You say she always starts with this against weak opponents, but that's not what I'm seeing.

If you read the chapter you would notice that she wants to keep him alive because he is an agent of Tsukuyomi, the organization that bought Tatsumaki from her parents and did experiments on her as a child.

 

[Tural2004]

Tatsumaki FRA

 

[Recon1511]

This is how Tatsumaki treats enemies she has no reason to keep alive like Psykos/Gyoro Gyoro (Knew Gyoro Gyoro was a flesh puppet from the start and then she had to keep Psykos alive to question her about the hostage location) or Apollo (Tsukuyomi's agent she wants to interrogate)

This is how Tatsumaki treats enemies she doesn't have a reason to keep alive

 

[Recon1511]

Chapter 44 Tats starts by grabbing and throwing projectiles, not TK crush instantly

I'll assume you meant chapter 34. This is a disingenous comparison, she stops the bombardment that's gonna kill the S Class on the ground and throws the shells back at the ship, there is nothing to "TK crush"

Chapter 69 Tats starts by grabbing in the air then uses TK crush

Yes, she lifts the Giant Octopus and crushes it into a ball because of its large size and the Heroes still on the ground running from its tentacles. Against a smaller humanoid opponent she just doesn't bother to do the first.

Chapter 93 she starts with barriers let him destroy buildings then uses a tornado the other heroes finished their fights before she completely killed the monster

Evil Eye threatened with gouging Fubuki's eyes out and Tatsumaki wanted to teach it a lesson by taking her time killing him

Chapter 128 barrier, kind of vector manip to counter the lasers etc…

She quite literally crushes the dragon heads attacking her instantly and wants to actually grab all of Orochi and crush it while lifting the base but can't do so because the hostage isn't safe yet...

 

[Phoenks]

I love how they just continue to lie about Tatsumaki and then dip from the discussion after being asked to give further argument.

Merlin has win cons, but can also counter Tats only viable one with TP and PC.

It's not a counter, it's a draw.

Instant TK VS instant TP is a draw, because they're both thought based, either one has a 50/50 chance of working before the other one.

In the 50% case that Tatsumaki's TK is faster, she wins the match.

In the other half, Merlin manages to escape one time and still has to fight against an opponent who has greater range, greater senses, and a far more effective power.

PC does not save Merlin because Tatsumaki can attack the internals and externals, bypassing a forcefield. She is also capable of interacting with forcefields directly with telekinesis.

Balor’s eye give her prior knowledge.

Which leads to her knowing Tats plan, power, range etc…

Which takes time to activate meaning it still loses out to thought-based TK crush.



Try again, if you have anything else to offer.

 

[Makai641001]

This is how Tatsumaki treats enemies she has no reason to keep alive like Psykos/Gyoro Gyoro (Knew Gyoro Gyoro was a flesh puppet from the start and then she had to keep Psykos alive to question her about the hostage location) or Apollo (Tsukuyomi's agent she wants to interrogate)

This is how Tatsumaki treats enemies she doesn't have a reason to keep alive

You litteraly showed her using her Tornados on the 2 occasions…

I'll assume you meant chapter 34. This is a disingenous comparison, she stops the bombardment that's gonna kill the S Class on the ground and throws the shells back at the ship, there is nothing to "TK crush"

The ship.

Yes, she lifts the Giant Octopus and crushes it into a ball because of its large size and the Heroes still on the ground running from its tentacles. Against a smaller humanoid opponent she just doesn't bother to do the first.

She could’ve crushed it from the ground

Evil Eye threatened with gouging Fubuki's eyes out and Tatsumaki wanted to teach it a lesson by taking her time killing him

She never mentionned the « taking time » part in your scan.

And used tornados

She quite literally crushes the dragon heads attacking her instantly and wants to actually grab all of Orochi and crush it while lifting the base but can't do so because the hostage isn't safe yet...

She grabbed the lasers and used them to crush it

I love how they just continue to lie about Tatsumaki and then dip from the discussion after being asked to give further argument.

We gave plenty

It's not a counter, it's a draw.

It is

Instant TK VS instant TP is a draw, because they're both thought based, either one has a 50/50 chance of working before the other one.

Tats doesn’t open with TK crush 100% of the time.

And when she does it’s Not everytime instantaneous (octopus exemple)

In the 50% case that Tatsumaki's TK is faster, she wins the match.

In the matches where she use anything else than her TK crush Merlin wins

In the other half, Merlin manages to escape one time and still has to fight against an opponent who has greater range, greater senses, and a far more effective power.

Merlin has greater range, greater stamina, and can Litteraly make it so that Tats can’t activate her TK.

PC does not save Merlin because Tatsumaki can attack the internals and externals, bypassing a forcefield. She is also capable of interacting with forcefields directly with telekinesis.

It does PC severe the connection between the inside and outside of the cube you can’t TP inside or spawn attacks inside if you are outside

Tats also wasn’t shown to be able to corrupt MAGICAL forcefields.

Which takes time to activate meaning it still loses out to thought-based TK crush.

It doesn’t the information directly come to the characters thoughs

Try again, if you have anything else to offer.

Basically Tats lose when she does not open with TK crush

She also lose when she is slower than infinite TP

She also lose if she use her grab before the TK crush

This went on for too long.

Tats won this we hit grace iirc

Nobody Will change their minds i don’t remember well about OPM and you don’t about NNT

Imho Tats can win in a few matches but Will most of the time get countered and fvcked

 

[Phoenks]

If by tornado you mean her literally spinning people into a tornado using TK... I don't get how this helps your case. It's the same thing with a different visual.


You are still going on about her not starting with TK despite overwhelming evidence. It's almost delusional. I just checked every single Tatsumaki fight, she always starts with TK crush or a similar method (like the tornado crush spin thing). Every. Single. Time.

Because why wouldn't she? She's a TK user.

Thank goodness you aren't staff anymore. This is NEXT level bullshitting. Gonna let the time run out now, see ya!

 

[Majinere566]

Thank goodness you aren't staff anymore. This is NEXT level bullshitting. Gonna let the time run out now, see ya!

Was this really needed?

 

[Robo432343]

fr
fake ahh admin

 

[Emerald]

Me when the character that spams telekinesis non stop to the point that their hero name is Terrible Tornado cause of them twisting monster with TK doesn't start with TK Crush immediately

 

[speedster352]

I am against this match being added unless a thread moderator checks this thread out because the arguments are way too messy.

 

[Phoenks]

LMAO

 

[Recon1511]

 

[Majinere566]

I am against this match being added unless a thread moderator checks this thread out because the arguments are way too messy.

I’ve seen you participate in far worse threads. This isn’t needed at all just accept the L and move on

 

[Deceived3596]

What a travesty of a thread

Anyway, I agree with Tatsumaki winning more times than not. I think the match up can be made more interesting by giving Merlin a little bit of prep time, but that can be done in another thread if anyone wants to (except Robo because he always, somehow, messes up any thread he creates, even if the idea itself is good)

 

[speedster352]

I’ve seen you participate in far worse threads. This isn’t needed at all just accept the L and move on

But isn't the role of the thread moderator to moderate a thread?

What a travesty of a thread

Anyway, I agree with Tatsumaki winning more times than not. I think the match up can be made more interesting by giving Merlin a little bit of prep time, but that can be done in another thread if anyone wants to (except Robo because he always, somehow, messes up any thread he creates, even if the idea itself is good)

Someone agrees with me that this thread got way too messy. By the way, wouldn't prep result in a time freeze or interdimensional BFR? This match just doesn't work.

 

[Harith0cell]

Tatsumaki fra

 

[Faa_Tzy]

If Tats should be considered stronger than Merlin, it's possible that Merlin wincon with Time stop.

I'm with Merlin.

 

[Phoenks]

Match ended already so it can be added. Tatsumaki wins.

 

[speedster352]

What a travesty of a thread

Anyway, I agree with Tatsumaki winning more times than not. I think the match up can be made more interesting by giving Merlin a little bit of prep time, but that can be done in another thread if anyone wants to (except Robo because he always, somehow, messes up any thread he creates, even if the idea itself is good)

I trust only you should I remake this thread and give Merlin prep or basic knowledge?