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Sword Art Online (Post-Aincrad) Kirito Power Downgrade

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Okay. Thank you for helping out.
 
DMUA said:
... Moving on from that, here's how I think everything will shake out from here

Star King would be 7-C scaling to Asuna's feat of splitting open the earth, as the goddess accounts are stated to have maxxed out stats across the board, so having 7-C years to essentially level grind would be more than sufficient to get to that level (Especially considering Quinella also has a similar statement in terms of her abilities with Sacred Arts, which is why she's possibly 7-C)

Now, on that note, they could also scale to 7-B from the Night Sky Sword and Quinella's statement of maxing out her abilities in the Sacred Arts, but I'm not entirely sure myself.
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Asuna using terraforming is a native Stacia account ability and has nothing to do with her stats. Also, Kirito's stats are not max, they are 130-something. I believe I talked with you about that a while back.
 
Kaantantr said:
Asuna using terraforming is a native Stacia account ability and has nothing to do with her stats. Also, Kirito's stats are not max, they are 130-something. I believe I talked with you about that a while back.
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This was half the reason I'd feel more comfortable scaling Asuna to Konno Yuuki if anything. Recall that Kirito has gone on record to say that "Zekken [Yuuki] was a product of the full-dive environment itself" (or at least, that's what it felt like). Keep in mind also that the Cardinal system of full-dive tech was still used as the foundation of the Alicization Project.
 
As we know, the fight took place in the region of upper atmosphere in outer space near Cardinal
I'm just going to leave this here:
Definition: Geospace can be defined as the region of the outer space near Earth. This includes the upper atmosphere, ionosphere as well as the magnetosphere.
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If we go by the Space Shook:
Radius of Geospace = 10 Earth Radii or 6.378e+7 Meters
Inverse Square Law: 4pi(6.3787+7)^2
= 5.1118593e+16 Square Meters
Magnitude 1 = 1.995262e+6
5.1118593e+16 x 1.995262e+6
= 1.0199499e+23 Joules or 24.377 Teratons (Country level)
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If we go by the Milky Way statement:
Radius of Milky Way = 5e+20 Meters
Inverse Square Law: 4pi(5e+20)^2
= 3.14159265358e+42 Square Meters
Magnitude 1 = 1.995262e+6
3.14159265358e+42 x 1.995262e+6
= 6.2683004e+48 Joules or 62,683.004 FOEs (Solar System level)
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My Proposal: 6-B, possibly 4-B?
 
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Problemexe said:
As we know, the fight took place in the region of upper atmosphere in outer space near Cardinal
I'm just going to leave this here:

If we go by the Space Shook:

If we go by the Milky Way statement:

My Proposal: 6-B, possibly 4-B?
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how can it be 4-b if the stars and galaxy dont actually exist?
 
Kaantantr said:
Asuna using terraforming is a native Stacia account ability and has nothing to do with her stats. Also, Kirito's stats are not max, they are 130-something. I believe I talked with you about that a while back.
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I definitely don't remember you mentioning Kirito not reaching the peak after 200 years.

I guess that part could be argued, but there is also her summoning a meteor in the fight with the abyssal horror which could get Tier 7 all the same... Dunno why I didn't touch on that. Maybe I just didn't think too much about if her terraforming was applicable.

Problemexe said:
As we know, the fight took place in the region of upper atmosphere in outer space near Cardinal
I'm just going to leave this here:
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I see you have chosen to ignore my input on this.

No, 5 earths stacked side by side by side is not a reasonable assumption in any capacity. The far more reasonable one is to assume it stretches somewhat into Earth's Atmosphere... An assumption I still think is absurdly inflationary as there is absolutely 0 proof to back it up, but.

4 times pi times 450000^2 is a surface area of 2.54469e+12 meters

A magnitude 1 earthquake is 1.995262e+6 joules

2.54469e+12 times 1.995262e+6 is...

5.0773233e+18 Joules, 1.21350938307 Gigatons, Large Mountain level

But again, there is absolutely 0 evidence space means "450 kilometers in radius around us"

The Milky Way statement is thoroughly bunk when considering Reki's statement that the Underworld's only generated 2 planets and a star. Especially when considering the statement of the fight being top secret, when the milky way shaking would result in the earth shaking far, far more, to a noticable degree.
 
DMUA said:
I definitely don't remember you mentioning Kirito not reaching the peak after 200 years.

I guess that part could be argued, but there is also her summoning a meteor in the fight with the abyssal horror which could get Tier 7 all the same... Dunno why I didn't touch on that. Maybe I just didn't think too much about if her terraforming was applicable.


I see you have chosen to ignore my input on this.

No, 5 earths stacked side by side by side is not a reasonable assumption in any capacity. The far more reasonable one is to assume it stretches somewhat into Earth's Atmosphere... An assumption I still think is absurdly inflationary as there is absolutely 0 proof to back it up, but.

4 times pi times 450000^2 is a surface area of 2.54469e+12 meters

A magnitude 1 earthquake is 1.995262e+6 joules

2.54469e+12 times 1.995262e+6 is...

5.0773233e+18 Joules, 1.21350938307 Gigatons, Large Mountain level

But again, there is absolutely 0 evidence space means "450 kilometers in radius around us"

The Milky Way statement is thoroughly bunk when considering Reki's statement that the Underworld's only generated 2 planets and a star. Especially when considering the statement of the fight being top secret, when the milky way shaking would result in the earth shaking far, far more, to a noticable degree.
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your first calc was accepted btw

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Sword Art Online: It's not 4-B but it is pretty impressive actually

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DMUA said:
I definitely don't remember you mentioning Kirito not reaching the peak after 200 years.

I guess that part could be argued, but there is also her summoning a meteor in the fight with the abyssal horror which could get Tier 7 all the same... Dunno why I didn't touch on that. Maybe I just didn't think too much about if her terraforming was applicable.


I see you have chosen to ignore my input on this.

No, 5 earths stacked side by side by side is not a reasonable assumption in any capacity. The far more reasonable one is to assume it stretches somewhat into Earth's Atmosphere... An assumption I still think is absurdly inflationary as there is absolutely 0 proof to back it up, but.

4 times pi times 450000^2 is a surface area of 2.54469e+12 meters

A magnitude 1 earthquake is 1.995262e+6 joules

2.54469e+12 times 1.995262e+6 is...

5.0773233e+18 Joules, 1.21350938307 Gigatons, Large Mountain level

But again, there is absolutely 0 evidence space means "450 kilometers in radius around us"
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I'm guessing this can be a possibly then? 🤷‍♂️
So the conclusion so far is 7-C, likely 7-B, possibly High 7-A? 🤔
What about Star King's Moon Cradle feat?
 
The Moon Cradle feat is the same thing as what he did in the war of the underworld, I'm pretty sure.

And also, no. It is possible, perhaps, but not enough of a possibility to warrant being listed on the profile.

The conclusion hasn't been reached, we're still talking about things.
 
DMUA said:
The Moon Cradle feat is the same thing as what he did in the war of the underworld, I'm pretty sure.
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The trio of minions opened their jaws as far as they could, preparing to unleash their darkness breath.

The vicinity suddenly grew much darker. At first, Ronnie thought that the miasma coming horn the minions' mouths was blocking the sunlight. But she immediately realized this was not the case. It wasn't just around the minions that was getting dark-the whole forest surrounding the mansion was plunged into deep shadow. The vivid, crimson sunset had abruptly turned into the dark people of night, complete with twinkling stars.

Even Solus on the western horizon lost all its light, as though Lunaria had completely covered its passage.
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🤷‍♂️
 
... Wait, have we seriously been taking "The sunset turned into night" as "hmm yes he telekinetically moved an entire sky of stars"

Blocking out the sun's light leaves room for the stars to shine, that's how day and night works. The Stars are always there, they just aren't visible because the light they give off is miniscule compared to the sun. That is in fact, literally the exact same thing as in the war of the underworld.

... Good lord.
 
DMUA said:
... Wait, have we seriously been taking "The sunset turned into night" as "hmm yes he telekinetically moved an entire sky of stars"

Blocking out the sun's light leaves room for the stars to shine, that's how day and night works. The Stars are always there, they just aren't visible because the light they give off is miniscule compared to the sun. That is in fact, literally the exact same thing as in the war of the underworld.

... Good lord.
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>... Good Lord.?
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There is no think here this is just stupid

The Night Sky Sword doesn't even have telekinesis as one of it's abilities
 
He's aware of this, if he comments at any point is up to him
 
"Ten thousand dots"

This doesn't really imply he's moving the wholesale stars as opposed to just balls of luminous elements.

As per actually valid discussions...

Even if Kirito's stats aren't stated to have actually reached the maximum, he should still scale to the Goddesses to some degree, considering he was able to fight Gabriel for a little bit (Though clearly not with an advantage, even before he transformed), and Star King would be way more powerful than that

I dunno, the more I think about it I'm pretty sure 7-B should be what high tiers should scale to, considering a random sword made from the wood of a tree out in the boonies is pretty unlikely to surpass the person adminstrating the entire known world or goddesses
 
It's trait is to absorb spatial resources man, that is basic knowledge. You cannot take sentences out of context to make such claims... And also, the spatial resources were literally generated on the blanket anyways, so in this case, it's not even pulling the energy to itself...
 
Problemexe said:
It means it's not literal aka it did not actually happen but we use it nonetheless as a possibly tier
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I have everything covered in the original post. If you have a claim to make that contradicts that, you will actually need to make arguments. Not a "They are real stars though"

It is literally explained in the text that they are not stars. A star below the clouds would not show up as a glittering dot... This is basic stuff really.
 
Kaantantr said:
I have everything covered in the original post. If you have a claim to make that contradicts that, you will actually need to make arguments. Not a "They are real stars though"

It is literally explained in the text that they are not stars. A star below the clouds would not show up as a glittering dot... This is basic stuff really.
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I mean... I know that the stars are described as prayers/hopes/wishes from the people of Underworld in the first place... Again. The feat is kinda weird. I mean... I'm fine with removing the War of Underworld Solar System level feat since it's extremely flowery. 🤷‍♂️
 
Joycap said:
Forgive me for using the Anime as a frame of reference (AGAIN), but what in 19 hells do you call this?

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It's called Incarnate Arms and is a recurring technique for multiple characters in Alicization. You can pull a sword that you have a bond with towards you from a nearby place. It is not an ability of the Night Sky Sword, it's one of the many incarnate techniques. It is very hard to classify a very specific act with as broad of a term as "telekinesis". That's like calling a simple ripple on the water that was created with a single water droplet a "tsunami".
 
Kaantantr said:
It's called Incarnate Arms and is a recurring technique for multiple characters in Alicization. You can pull a sword that you have a bond with towards you from a nearby place. It is not an ability of the Night Sky Sword, it's one of the many incarnate techniques. It is very hard to classify a very specific act with as broad of a term as "telekinesis". That's like calling a simple ripple on the water that was created with a single water droplet a "tsunami".
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I knew that

I was just trying to patronise DMUA
 
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