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OK. Star King and Star Queen still gets their Immortality but we should note about the weaknesses tho.
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Sword Art Online (Post-Aincrad) Kirito Power Downgrade
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Downgrade direction and ground seem reasonable
Is speed still the same like sub relativistic+ something? Or rel by this
And we are about to discuss which states to put at and what new abilities remain or joins in right?
Is speed still the same like sub relativistic+ something? Or rel by this
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fanatio is unusable
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i thought we agreed mach 10 flight speed in moon cradle
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I just checked but it hasn't been updated yet. We'll have to be patient.
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Nothing was agreed upon as people just tried to bring up stuff in an "I remember this and that", without a single citation in a thread where speed stuff is not even relevant.
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If we are looking on the very isolated level of "They do not age", yes, their age number does not go up in Underworld once it is stopped and they also will not physically age, as the system dictates all that based on the "Age" stat.
However they keep aging mentally as their own physical brains are responsible for that and they will die eventually whenever their physical brain reaches its limit.
From the way you put it, I certainly feel like their situation does not fit "Immortality". I would expect someone immortal to actually be... Immortal and not be limited by timely constraints.
However they keep aging mentally as their own physical brains are responsible for that and they will die eventually whenever their physical brain reaches its limit.
From the way you put it, I certainly feel like their situation does not fit "Immortality". I would expect someone immortal to actually be... Immortal and not be limited by timely constraints.
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I am referring to this which seems to have been agreed upon right after I posted it
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That was not agreed upon.
First off, it is not clear what exactly is available as information in the source and what comes from assumption.
Secondly, in v18, Kirito states it will take over 5 minutes to reach them. And 600 miles (almost 1000 km) is quite the big number that I would not believe without seeing. They are crossing quite the short distance, from the ruins in the south to the Altar at the southern edge.
And last but not least, it is off topic of course.
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Let's please wait after the changes to the AP have been applied before discussing anything speed related.
Let's please wait after the changes to the AP have been applied before discussing anything speed related.
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Agreed.
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What?! It can't be longevity. They were forced to stay in the Underworld for 200 years.
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Having longevity can mean you can live for thousands, even millions, of years. Saying they lived for 200 years doesn't automatically mean they're immortal.
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Yes but longevity is the ability to age far more slowly than any normal being. They did not age far more slowly.
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I'm not saying that it can't be immortality. If there's evidence to say that they aren't affected by age or time at all then it's obviously immortality. I'm just saying that the reasoning you gave, that they lived there for 200 years, was faulty. My mistake, I should've worded it better.
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Unless they are capable of living from the beginning to the end of the universe, at the very least, immortality seems very exaggerated, and it seems like their "real world" human brains have serious limitations in that area.
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How about Limited Immortality (Type 1)?
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I don't really see the point of limited immortality when it would basically be longevity.
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Sorry if this is a bit unrelated, but with all the things said then isn't really true that the characters in the game are true persons from other dimension, right? I have heard many times that in some point is said that they are real but with everything here I think that that is a misunderstanding or exageration of the fact that is a truly realistic game.
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I don't know where you heard that, but yeah, that is a misunderstanding. The Underworld is a realistic simulation, but in the end none of it is real; it's all virtual. There's no other dimension where everybody is real, that sounds kinda dumb.
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It was here, in other threads of SAO I saw they saying that the character of the Underworld were real. Maybe dimension wasn't the right word, but instead other universe or whatever, the point was that they were real, now that is made clear that they aren't then that argument isn't valid anymore.
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I'm not too sure about this one, especially considering how they can be hit or miss with certain translations
Go forward with it for now I guess.
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I agree that it should longevity.
Characters with immortality (Type 1) should not die from any sort of aging whether it be physically, mentally, or spiritually since it would contradict the reasoning behind immortality (Type 1) which is to not die from old age and old age isn't really limited to the physical body.
Characters with immortality (Type 1) should not die from any sort of aging whether it be physically, mentally, or spiritually since it would contradict the reasoning behind immortality (Type 1) which is to not die from old age and old age isn't really limited to the physical body.
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When even the fan translator himself says his translation is deprecated as Stephen Paul has decades more experience in translating stuff, you need to have some sort of an argument to refuse the translations.
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I really feel like at least someone should have taken care of it within the 18 hours the notifications to this thread were hidden to me but it's done now
I could probably make a proper calculation for Kirito's flight speed but I'm gonna be honest I do not care at this point, maybe when it's not 11 PM my time I'll take care of it and we can put that on for his travel speed but
I could probably make a proper calculation for Kirito's flight speed but I'm gonna be honest I do not care at this point, maybe when it's not 11 PM my time I'll take care of it and we can put that on for his travel speed but
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Was the removal of sub rel entirely agreed upon?
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We should close this thread, now that the changes have been applied.
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1. Does Star King Kirito and Star Queen Asuna age during the 170 years?
...if you want to reduce that to longevity...
By this logic very few characters should be immortal even on a type 1 sense.
2. Sub-rel seems fine... what else removes it?
3. maybe we need another thread to discuss about lores of online game universe relative to "real world“ in-verse or "virtual world".
...if you want to reduce that to longevity...
By this logic very few characters should be immortal even on a type 1 sense.
2. Sub-rel seems fine... what else removes it?
3. maybe we need another thread to discuss about lores of online game universe relative to "real world“ in-verse or "virtual world".
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Their real world brains age during the time, so it doesn't work like genuine immortality would.
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