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god damn, over 200 posts and it hasn't even been 24 hours
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Superman tier upgrade
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You know what, if I have time, I’m gonna do what should have been done a long time ago. I’m gonna debunk the debunks.
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Hal outright says this is due to the Crisis.
Glad you noticed. But even then, if it's harder for him to perform abilities, why can we assume his power level was the same?
Are you saying time travel was harder overall during Post-Crisis?
I'd be glad to see it. Superman is my favorite DC character, I used to be a very firm believer of Low 2-C to 2-C, so if you can prove it, I'd gladly accept it.
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Superman doesn't really push into a Low 2-C character, and is most consistently far below 5-B. 4-B isn't an outlier, though it is not as readily available as thought.
Comics have the issues were hundreds of authors have published very different stories with widely varying feats, and as such scaling is alot harder comic to comic from different authors. People complain about how it is unfairly treated, when 99.9% of those stories being compared are written by one or a select few authors who constantly tell the same tale as the others. Due to this, there are alot of Universal feats, along with Tier 8 feats, to go along with. In my opinion, Tier 5 is the most consistent for actively trying Superman, while things like 4-B and Low 2-C are the occasional drift.
Changing my vote to neutral, though I am in support of "At most Low 2-C" until further notice.
Comics have the issues were hundreds of authors have published very different stories with widely varying feats, and as such scaling is alot harder comic to comic from different authors. People complain about how it is unfairly treated, when 99.9% of those stories being compared are written by one or a select few authors who constantly tell the same tale as the others. Due to this, there are alot of Universal feats, along with Tier 8 feats, to go along with. In my opinion, Tier 5 is the most consistent for actively trying Superman, while things like 4-B and Low 2-C are the occasional drift.
Changing my vote to neutral, though I am in support of "At most Low 2-C" until further notice.
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I am a hard neutral on this because I don't know DC
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SA Reverse Flash literally KO’d superwoman.
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I disagree on 4-B being an occasional drift, the majority of his tier 5 feats are fairly casual and there are other DC characters, such as green lantern and orion, who have 4-B feats. And for the last time we don't go with the most consistent end, we go for the highest end that's somewhat consistent and can't be disproven. Anyways i completely disagree with removing Supes' 4-B rating, and honestly I think it would be best if we just keep him there.
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Yup, speedsters are just too OP to notice.
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Interesting. Do you have a scan to prove it? As far as I can see nothing suggests that on the panel I posted.
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I could probably ask Nia for the scans. But I’d rather not disturb him too much, so for now I’ll only debate what I myself can solve.
Stefano4444
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Personally i would be fine with At most 3-A/Low 2-C or even with just 3-A/Low 2-C for DC Heralds in general (same with Marvel Heralds).
But only as long as the feats, statements and scaling are solid, legittimate and not take out of context, so none of the ones i mentioned before.
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ew 4-B post crisis superman
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Can't be matched with sonic...
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If we just tiered Marvel/DC like any other franchise instead of the massive amount of bias that we do now, there wouldn’t need to be an “at most” or “possibly”. Just scale them to their feats.
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This would be so nice, and while scaling Marvel/DC is and always will be an absolute mess, with hundreds of different writers having different ideas of power levels of characters, I still think that an "at most"/"possibly" would still be needed
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Yeah it might be.
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Bias in what way?
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Let's not start throwing the word bias now, please.
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lol
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@DaReaperMan Your biggest mistake was trying to revise a verse that you’re not familiar with. Especially when DC is such a massive verse with thousands of comics. It would’ve been better to have some kind of secondary help.
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Oh I know my mistakes, I'm not exactly someone who doesn't know what they're doing, I knew I was making a mistake by making this thread lol
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Consider most of these feats have already been discussed, is everyone okay with closing this thread?
If anyone wishes to bring up certain feats for re-evaluation, we ask that you cite the source comic and fix any broken links.
If anyone wishes to bring up certain feats for re-evaluation, we ask that you cite the source comic and fix any broken links.
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I'm fine with having the thread closed, all's well that doesn't end in flame wars!
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1. Depends on the vote count. People are still arguing.
2. If this is getting reject (big if, people are still arguing for it), then should a rule or note be made about these specific arguments?
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Eh there's still discussions over things and Greenshifter said he'd counter the debunks, so I believe it should stay open for the moment.
If it's rejected, adding a discussion rule is probably fine. There's already a similar note on Supes' page.
If it's rejected, adding a discussion rule is probably fine. There's already a similar note on Supes' page.
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Well, we already have the OPs consent, and as I mentioned earlier, if anyone wishes to bring up certain feats for re-evaluation, we ask that they cite the source comic and fix any broken links.
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1. Forgot about that, probably should stay open for the time being
2. That would probably be a good rule to make, but who knows, a DMC thing may happen!
2. That would probably be a good rule to make, but who knows, a DMC thing may happen!
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Closing this while people are arguing isn't going to help the whole "bias" thing. Gotta think of PR, dude.
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Yeah, I'm fine with it being closed but people are still arguing, which i forgot since the past like 10 posts have been on the nature of memes.
Wouldn't be the first big shaft of a note on a profile!
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It's not really biased to ask for a clean and sourced revision proposal that everyone can easily follow.
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That would really make everything easier
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