Super Saiya-Jin Goku vs Super Sonic (Games)

[FkFany]

UNIVERSAL/MULTIVERSAL DC Erazor Djinn can destroy World of the Arabian Knights and creates it to his own World meaning he has Universal DC https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yEE5mxrRq3okU1IBrIqJWu3yA… https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RVVZ3pImY1GbsMM0fYjhSvhMc… https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6p2BGiqfoXY5LcHOGROQk2P-Y… https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xCPCFdslKFZTkvjSd8rwjPjnc… https://plus.google.com/…/622110344584…/6221103444542805346…

Also possesses Godlike Power https://plus.google.com/…/6221104297174…/6221104296616490146 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tAEaliBCVdSuRj9pNT3_uwH9I…

Sonic, being the Hero, defeats the Godlike Powered Genie https://youtu.be/OGbdRdFp7VE

Sonic damages the Time Eater https://youtu.be/LgzJv0BbTdU

Who is the Time Eater you may ask here is what he is capable:

Time Eater can destroy time and space meaning he has Multiversal DC https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cJVzuRZ4LHo7sMwBq_NoBECjz… https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8euE0OlqE_FNAWLt48830JCd6… https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zaETpCGozPuT0yta4NyI1SPVH…

Tails states he was living without a body in a black limbo this proves that the Time Eater can destroy reality https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ce0rr9ZK_WgOvycPmZ3J04Nmt…

Universal Durability: (Was able to temporarily resist a hit from two versions of Super Sonic.) https://youtu.be/6E0X_sF8JLU

And Sonic damaged him in his base state before he finished him off as Super Sonic Super Sonic deals more damage to Solaris but knocking back 1/3 of his durability and was the only super transformed character who was able to do this feat https://youtu.be/bv9gF0SdQdc

As Al - layla - way - layla, Erazor has Universal+ DC and can warp reality as he stated that the he was the creator of the arabian knights and can make this world and reality in his own image also has Multiversal DC since he turn the World of Arabian Knights into void coming into its existence destroying its time and space https://plus.google.com/…/115198…/album/6221061450543485025…

Darkspine Sonic rivals that power. He defeats the Multiversal Creator and Warps reality of the arabian knights world back to normal https://youtu.be/6tomS22c3jg

So there you have it Base Sonic is Universal, Super Sonic is Universal+ and Darkspine Sonic is Multiversal. What really bugs me is that people say he isnt Universal because coughSUPERMATTcough claims they weren't but never showed any proof. Well here is what Super Sonic did to prove he was Universal+.................. Damaging Solaris Universal+ Durability: temporal omnipresence makes him very difficult to kill, as he must be destroyed in all time periods simultaneously to kill him through conventional means. https://youtu.be/BSavm5JpCGo(0:40) Since Super Sonic has Universal+ Destructive Capabilities, same goes to Super Shadow and Super Silver as well since they damaged Solaris as well.

SPEED Sonic is extremely fast, Base or Super. Sonic is capable of travelling between universes:https://youtu.be/Zmn4UCBbXKM Skip to 4:38. "Ran endlessly until he found his way back to his own world". That right there is universal travel since he WAS stuck in a parallel universe. And even if you want to low ball this saying their universes are Galaxy sized, Sonic would still be around a hundred thousand times the speed of light if he took a year to get back. And here's a little supporting evidence.http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/…/imag…/0/05/Breathtaking.png The "Along the way he had many adventures" quote was one of the stories saved for another time not connected to him running endlessly

Breaks the Time Barrier with sheer speed:

By accelerating through time with his speed, he restore color and life meaning he can bend reality with pure speed https://youtu.be/w9aDrY6SAOE

Can Travel into the past, present and future with his speed https://youtu.be/fb3fe4hlBMw

https://info.sonicretro.org/File:Scd_cd_us_manual_10_11.png and here is a Guidebook confirms it and Sonic can time travel in sonic CD with his own speed

Use his speed to Dimension Travel https://youtu.be/LmwPDZX-eNg

Omega states that Sonic is FTL:https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/…/w708-…/light%2Bspeed.jpg

Lightspeed movements: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABvCLVh8SHg&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eepEmBvfag https://www.youtube.com/watch… https://www.youtube.com/watch… https://info.sonicretro.org/File:Heroes_gc_us_manual_08_09.… http://info.sonicretro.org/…/800px-Shuffle_dc_us_manual_20_… http://info.sonicretro.org/Yuji_Naka_and_Takashi_Iizuka_int…

Temporarily outruns an enhanced black hole with half his power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS4fKsJp9VQ

More information telling how fast he was doing it as well https://plus.google.com/…/11519827801452…/posts/iLJTtgA5QqE…

More facts proving his FTL speed. http://i.imgur.com/Fu5l7IQ.png http://i.imgur.com/mBUxThk.png http://i.imgur.com/51k46sp.png http://i.imgur.com/91m8wy5.png http://i.imgur.com/DFzzUT8.png http://i.imgur.com/Fu5l7IQ.png Has speed that excels that of the cyan wisp. Pretty casually, if I might add. About these cyan wisp. http://i.imgur.com/4VP3WeV.png http://i.imgur.com/sVckCVt.png Mystical creatures of color that have a laser form which relates to their speed, as shown here. ~ And Sonic is able to excel the speed of that creature.

And here's the page of a book stating Sonic is light-speed. https://plus.google.com/…/+AwesomemeccryI…/posts/UWBdD4jwtsG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0pb75Eos5E Skip to 5:04. This shows Super Sonic flying from Earth to the Moon in one second

Does a lap around the planet https://youtu.be/nPA8wcyuDO8

Can Spin Dash around a planet https://youtu.be/BlXSkk4vGYg

Uses the Lightspeed Dash to run straight through the Chaos Control Warping Effect before the user instantaneously appears in it. https://youtu.be/LwZ0YwevQTM

Faster than the Lightspeed Dash while using the Sonic Boost: Sonic Boost: SPD = 2867 https://youtu.be/klQ2K1iZkgM(1:39)

Lightspeed Dash: SPD = 390 https://youtu.be/fNHRhRnk0XU

Super Sonic can Boost endlessly in the Time Wormhole https://youtu.be/6E0X_sF8JLU

Sonic can move Infinitely fast https://youtu.be/nt3d8m7KsXo

If you don't like that feat then we have Super Sonic reaching incalculable speeds: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAAAAAAKY/DrMSvcJB--w/w636-h477-n-rw/15+-+4


DURABILITY

First off we are Going to start with Super Sonic:

Super Sonic withstand hits from Solaris, a God who his Multiversal for consuming all existing timelines and is Omnipresent https://youtu.be/rSLXOOCu69g

Withstand hits from Perfect Dark Gaia, a God who is Large Planet Level+ and has Limitless Energy https://youtu.be/0hIZQ7KJl7c

Now on to Base Sonic:

Sonic tanks atmospheric entry https://youtu.be/wZyKUsQHB9g Survives getting shot from all angles https://youtu.be/xostzoaj7J8

Withstands a force of High Ancient Magic Barriers from the Dark Queen and Blade Strikes from Deathcalibur, a Blade that can summon the power of the underworld https://youtu.be/8X9eFEC1hiw

Tanks a Hyper-Go-On-Energy Based Black Hole https://youtu.be/hsDj5_rr6u0

Withstand and Survive hits from the Time Eater, a alien creature who can destroy time and space and reality itself https://youtu.be/tzxGpUuw6Xc

Sonic withstands the Gravational Pull of the Time Holes created by the Time Eater, spacial rifts that lead to any point across time and space, including alternate timelines and across different dimensions. https://youtu.be/l2yeZhh0Xl4(01:31 to 01:46)´╗┐

 

[Darkness552]

@ Azzy

in all of Sonic's universal fights they didn't have a weakness except Time Eater

Solaris again is a 4th dimensional being, you need Universal+ energy to even hurt him( how they even fought him is when they did their whole 1/3 of time stuff, how did they do it who knows)

Egg Wizard i believe has Universal Durability all around because of the power of the stars( it might be better to ask Uncle about this one)

Sonic did have help in all of them but each of his helpers were large planet level just like him

even then those feats are outliers like stated

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@FkFany

-groan- Literally all of this has been discussed, but I'll go over it, for you.

Erazor's ultimate form was not beaten by Sonic, or Super Sonic, but instead Darkspine Sonic, who already has stats on his page. Even then Alf's not multiversal.

Time Eater, as I already said, had a very easily exploitable weakness. The entity itself just functioned as a puppet for Eggman, and its core was nowhere near as durable as the rest of its body.

Base Sonic is nowhere near universal. That is pure wank, and nothing more.

Why did you just devote so many parts of this to proving Sonic is FTL? He's already listed as FTL on his page.

The durability feats are also nothing new, as almost all of them have been gone over, and I just explained to you why Solaris is an outlier.


@Darkness

Solaris was effortlessly felled by PIS, the greatest weapon of all. That, and the fact that for some reason, even as a 4-D being, he could be killed "in the past" (which shouldn't be a thing, for him).

Wasn't there a debate about the Egg Wizard, a while ago? Did that ever finish up?

 

[Darkness552]

@Azzy

yea one of times the creators of Sonic flawlessly messed up time travel

i don't remeber anything about a debate about Egg Wizard here

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Darkness

Yeah, even gods aren't immune from PIS and the colossal messing up of time shenanigans on the creators' part.

It might have been about the Power of the Stars. IDK.

 

[Darkness552]

@Azzy

yea lol

oh wait i remeber it now and yea it was finished but i still don't remeber the outcome of it though

 

[FkFany]

So who looks like the winner?

 

[Damiennova14]

It's soo nice that SS's power is inconsistent

 

[Damiennova14]

Honestly, I think the only reasons why Super shadow passed out are: He didn't have enough experience with the transformation He was we Exerted himself more than sonic Ran out of rings/power

 

[Damiennova14]

It's already been proven that super shadow can take on planet level threats (devil doom) and for the time eater's weakness that can be a game machanic as it could be said that mario needs lava to beat bowser or any other game character that needs the boss to have a weakness to be able to hurt them

 

[Damiennova14]

The outlier i would say is dark Gaia as that's the only time SS has passed out after the fight

 

[Dbzgoku20]

Goku he wins.

 

[FkFany]

Goku he wins.

Sonic wins.

 

[FkFany]

The outlier i would say is dark Gaia as that's the only time SS has passed out after the fight

Sonic had a big fight before it, Lost his werehog form, and then had a big fight. im sure Dark gaia wasnt the only thing that got him tired

 

[Damiennova14]

That is very true

 

[Rivenx360]

wasnt this setteld saying sonic won

 

[FkFany]

wasnt this setteld saying sonic wo

yes

 

[Oblivion00]

yes

Nope. The last time I think the match was inconclusive.

 

[Unclechairman]

With the upgrades Goku got, it's come to down to a tier 4 vs a tier 5, and while Sonic most likely has a speed advantage, his hax techniques would be an annoyance to Goku at best, as Sonic Chaos Controling him away can be countered by Instant Transmission, and time stop isn't going to help much either as no matter how many hits Sonic gets on him while time is stopped, it'll amount to scratch damage at best. Meanwhile, the first hit Goku gets on him is going to hurt him badly, and Goku would probably only need 2-3 hits at most to take him out.

 

[FanofRPGs]

yes

Nope. The last time I think the match was inconclusive.
And that was OBD (Who have Goku at a much lower level)

 

[FkFany]

"the first hit Goku gets on him is going to hurt him badly, and Goku would probably only need 2-3 hits at most to take him out."

Sonic is very durable. (in base form)

And in Super form, he is supposed to be invulnerable

 

[Damiennova14]

Just going to summarise what I tried to send but didn't workƒÿí Won't be in the some amount of detail

Finalhazard is biolizard fused with the ark and it can take hits from SS and super shadow.Shadow is able to harm and take hits from biolizard.

Sonic Feats durability and attack power:

Sonic can take hits and harm erazor djin who can destroy pages (worlds of the Arabian nights)

Can take hits and harm Ifrit golem who was created to destroy the rest of the pages

Took hits and harmed emerl who can destroy a planet according Gerald robotnik

Took hits from time eater but passed out

Took hits from iblis who destroyed sonic's world in an alternate, distant future

Took blows and harmed ifrit (sonic rivals)

Harmed imperfect dark Gaia

Survived a black hole. However, didn't act like a real one

Harmed and took hits from the deadly six and eggman's new mech. They have absorbed most of the earths and peoples energy

Shadow can takes hits from and harm biolizard and finalhazard can take hits from SS. Finalhazard is biolizard joined with the ark so medium to small power difference. Sonic I shadows rival

Super sonic feats in durability and attack power:

Time eater cannot harm SS but is able to destroy time and space even bring back alternative futures

Cannot be harmed by ultimate gemerl

Cannot be harmed by egg wizard who has tapped into the power of the stars which can either destroy or merge the two realms together (sonic and blazes)

burning blaze survived egg salamander's attack which resembles a black hole and the sol emeralds are parallel to the chaos emeralds.Unknown if the black hole acted like a real one

Survived Solaris' attacks who can "eat dimension for lunch" and destroy time and space. Eating dimensions is a possible hyperbole (not literally eating just destroying)

There's more but due to my old message not sending and other things just being minor I won't include it.

 

[Damiennova14]

So his message sends but the other one doesn't... The other one was much more detailed as well

 

[Epsilight]

Sonic flat out destroys goku 0 difficulty. This isn't even a match. SSJ goku is star level at best. Super sonic has beaten solaris ( nigh omnipotent ) [even if it was retconed, it was retconed by sonic himself], beaten a being that destroys dimensions like nothing, the time eater is massively ftl [ goku sin't even close to his speed]. Base sonic ran through ime to restore entire dimensions in base form, caught the cyan laser wisp (ftl), no he has no time limit, that's a game feature. SSB goku could give a potential match for super sonic but would get destroyed once sonic gets into serious mode like he did against solaris. Base sonic defeated the chaos emerald powered multi star buster emerl lol.