Super Mario General Discussion Thread.

[JJSliderman]

when does superstar saga pick up the pace? The game is a bit slow and the combat is kinda boring?

I feel like after Chuckola it starts getting pretty good.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

At which part of the game you are?

The first boss that hatches from the egg

 

[JJSliderman]

Yeah you’re a fair bit away from Chucklehuck woods but, that’s where Popple shows up and the game starts getting better.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Glad to see Brothership is hitting us with some blatant upgrades. Or at least it might look that way.

I think there's arguments for potentially higher with the final boss but for now I'll temper myself

 

[Imaginym]

Any of you been browsing the Death Battle Discussion Thread lately?

Self-indulgent as I am, I'll say this....

I've made a few Mario-related posts there recently, about topics like the possibility of Layered Intangibility (2 layers) based on stuff that can hit Boos/Lady Bow Duplighosts that have become "Invisible"/"Intangible".

In theory, this MIGHT apply to what the Star Rod can negate/grant, since PM being a VERY player-favored game explains why nothing can hit intangible Mario's, but they get stuff that can negate or ignore it. (Star Beam, Crystal Stars, etc.) This would allow dismissing the Star Rod's debuff wave that removes buffs like Cloud Nine, Charge, etc. but doesn't hit "Invisible"/Intangible as Game Mechanics.

Plus, the Star Rod is already capable of granting Invulnerability that can't be negated by the pre-Peach Beam, Star Beam which, as shown by Magikoopas & Lady Bow Duplighosts, can Negate double-layered Intangibility.

What do you all think?

There's also the matter of the Mario Party Metal Mushroom's neat skill feats, as well as arguable Invulnerability & Stat Amping. (Ex: Being able to knock away very quickly a very fast falling Thwomp that would normally, literally flatten the character, physically defeating Amps which use Electricity, & Podoboos, which are fireballs.)

Any thoughts on that?

Since some MP playable characters like, I think Koopa Kid, Boo & Dry Bones can use it, it might be notable for them, among others.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

I mean sure these seem mostly harmless. I especially think there's a lot of support for layered intangibility.

King Boo is naturally intangible and can become further intangible for one, and the Boos in Sunshine (made by Jr.) naturally phase through walls and stuff but can be interacted with but regular Boos are able to become intangible to Mario and such.

 

[Imaginym]

I mean sure these seem mostly harmless. I especially think there's a lot of support for layered intangibility.

King Boo is naturally intangible and can become further intangible for one, and the Boos in Sunshine (made by Jr.) naturally phase through walls and stuff but can be interacted with but regular Boos are able to become intangible to Mario and such.

Yeah, Duplighosts can be the same way.

They can't go Intangible themselves, even as Lady Bow because for some reason Duplighosts don't use any copied Partner's 2nd move except Goombario's Tattle, which is just a quick animation & dialogue.

So Duplighots become Intangible via Gray Magikoopas. Blue Magikoopas can also grant it. I can't think of any functional difference between what Lady Bow & Magikoopas do.

I'm unsure of if gameplay shows Star Spirit moves (Star Storm, Chill Out & Up, Up & Away.) hitting Intangible things like Star Beam does.
But if they're like the Crystal Stars, they can hit Intangible foes, even in gameplay, too.


I'm unsure if PM Boos have any feats of phasing through stuff; They do a lot more disappearing, with implied teleportation/phasing.
For example, the Super Boots are obtained in a room where, after the room is entered, the only door falls off the wall & disappears into puffs of dust, leaving brick wall where the door was.
The only exit is through a breakable panel on the floor that requires the Super Boo.

Yet in that same room, a ring of Boos have Mario play a game of guessing where the Super Boots are, then leave after the game is done; How did they exit when the door was gone?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Didn't realise we gave Dreamy Bowser / the Dream Stone existence erasure based on Bowser saying he'll make the bros go "poof". Kinda bad reasoning imo so here's a CRT to make it more justified.

 

[Imaginym]

I didn't even know this was happening!
Anyway, apparently the Direct starts at around 29:50 in that video? There'll probably be a cleaner upload shortly.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

I didn't even know this was happening!
Anyway, apparently the Direct starts at around 29:50 in that video? There'll probably be a cleaner upload shortly.

Can this please come to Florida I've been waiting since 5th grade

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Weird that we don't index that

 

[Imaginym]

Weird that we don't index that

Sticker Star isn't the most popular game.

That said....
Well, the fan's cutscene portrays it as bigger than the Earth. But is that Mario's Earth?
The AoE of wind it produces being planet-wide is a little questionable, no? Considering the confined scale of most battle arenas?
Not to mention the scene showing it outside the planet no matter where they were previously.

Not to mention, it may not even be that impressive, since it's the fan blowing air, not using (all) of its mass. Just that of its blades.

Indexing it would require reconciling a lot of things, I think.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Well, the fan's cutscene portrays it as bigger than the Earth. But is that Mario's Earth?
The AoE of wind it produces being planet-wide is a little questionable, no? Considering the confined scale of most battle arenas?
Not to mention the scene showing it outside the planet no matter where they were previously.

I came up with strong possibilities:

• It is the Earth Mario inhabits, but the consequences of using the Fan get undone via toon force + causality manipulation.
• It is not the Earth Mario inhabits, and is instead a duplicate from a pocket realm created by the Fan or a parallel universe the Fan can temporarily transport the battle to.
• The changes to the scene are just an illusion.

The first and second options lead to the feat being legitimate. If the Earth is a duplicate, we can still presume it's comparable to the one in real life. If the third option is true, then it means the feat is illegitimate. I'm leaning more towards the second option, or a mix between the first and second options. Here's why:

• Things in their appearances during Paper Mario: Color Splash transport the battle to various separate scenes in order to do various moves, usually with the change being relevant to the thing. For example, using the Lemon transports the battle to a giant kitchen, where the Lemon squirts itself to the enemies that were placed on a cutting board.
• During Paper Mario: Sticker Star, when most Things don't change the appearance of the setting, effects to the screen get undone after the attack is finished, but their effects on the targets don't get undone. (The Sewing Clippers at the beginning of the video Accelerated_Evolution linked are a good example of this.)
• We have photographic evidence of the setting changes the Things seem to cause during Paper Mario: Color Splash being real. The meadow the Instant Camera transports the battle to can be seen in the picture it takes of Mario while there. It stays there when the photo acts as a shield for Mario during the next enemy turn. If that meadow were just an illusion, then it wouldn't be visible in the photo, unless the Instant Camera can take photos of illusions.
• There is already proof that Things can have dimensional capabilities. When the Washing Machine collects the screen, the background is the same hyperspace seen when using the Cutout technique, which is described by Huey as transcending dimensions.

My conclusion is that Things have a similar ability as Domain Expansion from Jujutsu Kaisen. The Things have their own realm that goes well with their functionality.

Not to mention, it may not even be that impressive, since it's the fan blowing air, not using (all) of its mass. Just that of its blades.

That air was apparently enough to change the rotation of the Earth, which is impressive enough to me.