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Super Mario General Discussion Thread.

Glad to see Brothership is hitting us with some blatant upgrades. Or at least it might look that way.

I think there's arguments for potentially higher with the final boss but for now I'll temper myself
 
Any of you been browsing the Death Battle Discussion Thread lately?

Self-indulgent as I am, I'll say this....

I've made a few Mario-related posts there recently, about topics like the possibility of Layered Intangibility (2 layers) based on stuff that can hit Boos/Lady Bow Duplighosts that have become "Invisible"/"Intangible".

In theory, this MIGHT apply to what the Star Rod can negate/grant, since PM being a VERY player-favored game explains why nothing can hit intangible Mario's, but they get stuff that can negate or ignore it. (Star Beam, Crystal Stars, etc.) This would allow dismissing the Star Rod's debuff wave that removes buffs like Cloud Nine, Charge, etc. but doesn't hit "Invisible"/Intangible as Game Mechanics.

Plus, the Star Rod is already capable of granting Invulnerability that can't be negated by the pre-Peach Beam, Star Beam which, as shown by Magikoopas & Lady Bow Duplighosts, can Negate double-layered Intangibility.

What do you all think?

There's also the matter of the Mario Party Metal Mushroom's neat skill feats, as well as arguable Invulnerability & Stat Amping. (Ex: Being able to knock away very quickly a very fast falling Thwomp that would normally, literally flatten the character, physically defeating Amps which use Electricity, & Podoboos, which are fireballs.)

Any thoughts on that?

Since some MP playable characters like, I think Koopa Kid, Boo & Dry Bones can use it, it might be notable for them, among others.
 
I mean sure these seem mostly harmless. I especially think there's a lot of support for layered intangibility.

King Boo is naturally intangible and can become further intangible for one, and the Boos in Sunshine (made by Jr.) naturally phase through walls and stuff but can be interacted with but regular Boos are able to become intangible to Mario and such.
 
Foxthefox1000 said:
I mean sure these seem mostly harmless. I especially think there's a lot of support for layered intangibility.

King Boo is naturally intangible and can become further intangible for one, and the Boos in Sunshine (made by Jr.) naturally phase through walls and stuff but can be interacted with but regular Boos are able to become intangible to Mario and such.
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Yeah, Duplighosts can be the same way.

They can't go Intangible themselves, even as Lady Bow because for some reason Duplighosts don't use any copied Partner's 2nd move except Goombario's Tattle, which is just a quick animation & dialogue.

So Duplighots become Intangible via Gray Magikoopas. Blue Magikoopas can also grant it. I can't think of any functional difference between what Lady Bow & Magikoopas do.

I'm unsure of if gameplay shows Star Spirit moves (Star Storm, Chill Out & Up, Up & Away.) hitting Intangible things like Star Beam does.
But if they're like the Crystal Stars, they can hit Intangible foes, even in gameplay, too.


I'm unsure if PM Boos have any feats of phasing through stuff; They do a lot more disappearing, with implied teleportation/phasing.
For example, the Super Boots are obtained in a room where, after the room is entered, the only door falls off the wall & disappears into puffs of dust, leaving brick wall where the door was.
The only exit is through a breakable panel on the floor that requires the Super Boo.

Yet in that same room, a ring of Boos have Mario play a game of guessing where the Super Boots are, then leave after the game is done; How did they exit when the door was gone?
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Weird that we don't index that
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Sticker Star isn't the most popular game.

That said....
Well, the fan's cutscene portrays it as bigger than the Earth. But is that Mario's Earth?
The AoE of wind it produces being planet-wide is a little questionable, no? Considering the confined scale of most battle arenas?
Not to mention the scene showing it outside the planet no matter where they were previously.

Not to mention, it may not even be that impressive, since it's the fan blowing air, not using (all) of its mass. Just that of its blades.

Indexing it would require reconciling a lot of things, I think.
 
Imaginym said:
Well, the fan's cutscene portrays it as bigger than the Earth. But is that Mario's Earth?
The AoE of wind it produces being planet-wide is a little questionable, no? Considering the confined scale of most battle arenas?
Not to mention the scene showing it outside the planet no matter where they were previously.
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I came up with strong possibilities:
  • It is the Earth Mario inhabits, but the consequences of using the Fan get undone via toon force + causality manipulation.
  • It is not the Earth Mario inhabits, and is instead a duplicate from a pocket realm created by the Fan or a parallel universe the Fan can temporarily transport the battle to.
  • The changes to the scene are just an illusion.
The first and second options lead to the feat being legitimate. If the Earth is a duplicate, we can still presume it's comparable to the one in real life. If the third option is true, then it means the feat is illegitimate. I'm leaning more towards the second option, or a mix between the first and second options. Here's why:

My conclusion is that Things have a similar ability as Domain Expansion from Jujutsu Kaisen. The Things have their own realm that goes well with their functionality.

Imaginym said:
Not to mention, it may not even be that impressive, since it's the fan blowing air, not using (all) of its mass. Just that of its blades.
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That air was apparently enough to change the rotation of the Earth, which is impressive enough to me.
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Weird that we don't index that
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Goombas manage to withstand an attack that is powerful enough to rotate the entire Earth
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The Earth's Rotational Energy​

(Picture) The formula of the rotational energy is K = 1/2* Ι*ω^2
The moment of inertia of a sphere is 2/5mR^2
The Earth's angular velocity is 7.3*10^-5 rad/s
Earth's Mass = 5.97e24 kg
Earth's radius = 6372000 m
Κ = 1/2*Ι*ω^2 = 1/5 * m*R^2 *ω^2 = 2.58e29 Joules, Moon level
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:unsure:
 
I'm looking for a scan/link and I was wondering if you guys had it. Where does it say that Wonder Flowers derive their power from the Earth?
 
Dust_Collector said:
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Let's use spoiler tabs for a few minutes like this:

I finished watching the Bowser VS Eggman Death Battle livestream a few minutes ago.
Regardless of who won, I hope both sides can agree the episode was very enjoyable because the animation was really cool and they finally used higher end interpretation for the characters in the analysis. The "higher end" wasn't the same as on the VS Battles Wiki for Eggman's team, but still, it's a massive improvement given how they previous didn't even believe Sonic could sometimes achieve light speed independently. Of course, they did the same for Bowser, which is how the two could compare, and ultimately helped Bowser get the win.
 
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James_Plays_4_Games said:
Let's use spoiler tabs for a few minutes like this:

I finished watching the Bowser VS Eggman Death Battle livestream a few minutes ago.
Regardless of who won, I hope both sides can agree the episode was very enjoyable because the animation was really cool and they finally used higher end interpretation for the characters in the analysis. The "higher end" wasn't the same as on the VS Battles Wiki for Eggman's team, but still, it's a massive improvement given how they previous didn't even believe Sonic could sometimes achieve light speed independently. Of course, they did the same for Bowser, which is how the two could compare, and ultimately helped Bowser get the win.
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I also thought it was great all in all. Can't really speak much on the accuracy of the research, being more of a casual Mario player and having played just a couple of Classic and Adventure Sonic games, but as you say it was certainly a step up for Sonic in every aspect from the last time (not as high as us, yeah, then again, maybe they downplayed Sonic, maybe we inflate Sonic, who knows). However, it was certainly refreshing to see Mario given such a formidable power in the interpretation.

The battle was also great IMO. Though some stuff was unfortunately missing (Koopalings, Dreamy Boweser vs Lightman/Time Eater, etc), it really felt like an army battle, especially as Eggman's heavy hitters entered the scene (lol, MVP Metal Sonic was trouncing most of Bowser's army until the Koopa King himself had to stop him).
 
Random thought but should Cappy have the various Odyssey captures as optional equipment? Also maybe Dimensional Storage given the fast travel animation where he seems to just, absorb Mario and move him around.

(Also I loved this DB, might be a top 5 one for me)
 
I dunno if the captures could count as optional equipment, it's not like he was ever able to pull any of them out on a whim and then allow Mario to possess them (Then again I haven't touched the game in a while so I might be forgetting a part of the game where he does that or something). Dimensional Storage seems fine, not sure what else fits better for him moving Mario around like that could count as.
 
Dust_Collector said:
I dunno if the captures could count as optional equipment, it's not like he was ever able to pull any of them out on a whim and then allow Mario to possess them (Then again I haven't touched the game in a while so I might be forgetting a part of the game where he does that or something).
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No, you're correct. It is a pretty prominent bit of what he does so I dunno what our standards are in that regard, so maybe they wouldn't (though personally i'd think it's ok).
Dust_Collector said:
Dimensional Storage seems fine, not sure what else fits better for him moving Mario around like that could count as.
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Yeah. Also something else is he can just, hurt bosses in 2 player mode so I guess he'd just scale to them.
 
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