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Super Mario General Discussion Thread.

Foxthefox1000 said:
It would be a bit inconsistent, since Grand Stars in the second game require portals to travel to other Worlds. It's not just pure speed. Even if you subscribe to those Worlds being universes because of the japanese text (I personally do).
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Are you saying we shouldn't even use the Observatory feat to start with?
 
No it's fine. I'm just telling you infinite speed is going to take a LOT of justification for people to buy it.

There's an argument to be made that the Worlds being referred to as universes in Japanese and the main universe containing the Dream Depot means you could possibly have infinite to immeasurable arguments, but this place will likely not accept that.
 
Foxthefox1000 said:
No it's fine. I'm just telling you infinite speed is going to take a LOT of justification for people to buy it.

There's an argument to be made that the Worlds being referred to as universes in Japanese and the main universe containing the Dream Depot means you could possibly have infinite to immeasurable arguments, but this place will likely not accept that.
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Well, as I'm arguing, Earth in Mario is infinite alone because it contains the said infinite world, and as the comet observatory can move past World 1, which contains Earth, all the way to the center of the universe, it should logically have traversed infinite distance. Are you essentially saying that using this argument wouldn't work because it's basically an outlier? If so, then I disagree because for one, there are far more other feats where characters traverse at least out of Earth. Heck, Mario does this every game. So I don't see how can this be inconsistent.
 
Aaaaa11112222 said:
Well, as I'm arguing, Earth in Mario is infinite alone because it contains the said infinite world, and as the comet observatory can move past World 1, which contains Earth, all the way to the center of the universe, it should logically have traversed infinite distance. Are you essentially saying that using this argument wouldn't work because it's basically an outlier? If so, then I disagree because for one, there are far more other feats where characters traverse at least out of Earth. Heck, Mario does this every game. So I don't see how can this be inconsistent.
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Earth is NOT infinite. It's some other dimension or whatever. Earth being infinite is definitely not the case. We've seen the planet many times.
 
I am curious why they have the new characters based on electronics when the game is practically named for its ocean theme.
 
Foxthefox1000 said:
Earth is NOT infinite. It's some other dimension or whatever. Earth being infinite is definitely not the case. We've seen the planet many times.
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If that's the case, then why does Earth contain the Ancient Kingdom, which has the realm with an infinite population of ghosts. This, which was accepted. Planets can be infinite in size, but appear to be finite. For instance, we know the Macrocosm in DB is infinite, yet it appears finite.
 
Tbf that's one instance early on. If there was a feat much later I think we could just say they grew in strength and speed.

Weirdly it's infinite even if you have enough power stars in DS because Bowser wants to only fight Mario.

Also Mario can just BLJ it
 
Insert a nerd emoji and an "urm ackstuly" here, but the stairs aren't literally endless it's being spatially looped at the bottom (Which is why whenever you turn around you're already back at the base of the stairs instead of having to walk the same distance you ran up them)
 
Dust_Collector said:
Insert a nerd emoji and an "urm ackstuly" here, but the stairs aren't literally endless it's being spatially looped at the bottom (Which is why whenever you turn around you're already back at the base of the stairs instead of having to walk the same distance you ran up them)
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Nah, Nintendo actually inserted an Infinite amount of information inside SM64´s cartridge, trust me
 
What did mario become infinitely slower between being a baby and mario 64? Honestly I am tempted to try getting rid of sonic's accelerated development since his younger self was able to fight side by side with him.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Insert a nerd emoji and an "urm ackstuly" here, but the stairs aren't literally endless it's being spatially looped at the bottom (Which is why whenever you turn around you're already back at the base of the stairs instead of having to walk the same distance you ran up them)
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Do we call it spatially looping, though?
The warp is there as a developer trick, I'm not sure of much in-universe that suggests the warping is canon.
 
Imaginym said:
Do we call it spatially looping, though?
The warp is there as a developer trick, I'm not sure of much in-universe that suggests the warping is canon.
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By we do you mean the wiki itself? If so, yeah we do call it spatial looping on his profile.

Sure the warp is a developer trick, but nothing in universe suggest Bowser straight up made the staircase literally infinite in length either so all we got to work with is how it works in game which is Mario just looping at the bottom of the stairs. Sure the game says they're endless, but they also specifically put quotations around the word endless when describing it which makes it seem even in universe it's not meant to be literal.
 
Dust_Collector said:
By we do you mean the wiki itself? If so, yeah we do call it spatial looping on his profile.
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Sorry if you minded my phrasing.
Dust_Collector said:
Sure the warp is a developer trick, but nothing in universe suggest Bowser straight up made the staircase literally infinite in length either so all we got to work with is how it works in game which is Mario just looping at the bottom of the stairs. Sure the game says they're endless, but they also specifically put quotations around the word endless when describing it which makes it seem even in universe it's not meant to be literal.
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Surprising that there'd be quotes, but I don't remember for sure, so I'll tentatively trust that.
Though I'd think the simpler explanation -That they're actually endless- was the intended one.

Still, thanks!
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Named individuals for each species.
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Well, there's that minion trio from the Mario & Luigi series.
Though characters like The Goomba King, The Koopa Bros (Well okay, not stronger than Bowser.) & General Guy may contest that.

I'm not sure which of Kammy Koopa or Kamek are stronger.

Is there any Bob-Omb stronger than King Bob-Omb? Is there a singular King, considering he's exploded on some occasions?

Other bosses & such enemies are of interest. Some Mario Party Minigames focus on boss battles, for example.

There's also the question of who's in his army; What of the enemies in planets/galaxies in the Super Mario Galaxy series?

Just off the top of my head.
 
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Does king bob-omb survive his self destructs? He died in 64 but appears in golf super rush and even paper jam, what gives? Low godly regen?!? /j.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Oh, I thought we weren't counting kings since Bowser wasn't mentioned for Koopas
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Bowser's army was the term you used so I assumed Bowser was excluded because while he is technically part of it he is not under his own command even then he is the single strongest with maybe 3 members having a chance against him with out of character strategies and the element of surprise.
 
Watching Sonic profiles get upgrades while I make no Mario profiles and contribute to no CRTs and sit on my ass all day:
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Accelerated_Evolution said:
The first one is explicit flowery language

While the statements made by the Alien are convincing, the fact that he ends his final sentence with "This space is filled with hopes and dreams" implies that he is being more metaphorical than literal
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What about everything else? Won't it claim that the universe is infinite, or does it also fall under being flowery language cuz it's from the alien,
 
I seen this screenshot like hundreds of times here. It's a high 3-A Thing. P sure tippi backs the statements up though. Wonder if the Japanese version differs.
 
ZespeonGalaxy said:
I seen this screenshot like hundreds of times here. It's a high 3-A Thing. P sure tippi backs the statements up though. Wonder if the Jajust panese version differs.
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But doesn't it just seem like flowery language? How is it objective? And the supporting evidence seems to be the same, hyperbollic.
 
Also, a few questions. First of all, saving is acknowledged by characters in-universe and there are even sentient save blocks, heavily supporting the ability for Mario to try the fight as many times as he wants, so, logically speaking. Can nobody really keep Mario permanently down?

Second of all, Mario with the cutout is able to transcend the boundaries of space and time. And this refers to actual spatial dimensions as there's a section in the game where Mario needs to use the cutout to flip from 2D to 3D. A new axis of movement. So, wouldn't this be Low 1-C?
 
I believe without explicit confirmation of how many axis there are, we'd just call it higher-dimensional manipulation/existence.

However Matter Splatter does offer a possible 4D argument at least from the Japanese. I know people like to say "it can mean anything" but I agree with someone who made the argument that we should look at other translations as well to see what's the most consistent translation. In which case higher dimensionality is more consistent across translations while the English completely disregards any mention of (super)(hyper)space which obviously is a contradiction and makes the English stand out among the other translations. Possible they didn't wanna introduce such complex concepts to kids or something idk why they just didn't faithfully translate it

So you maybe could argue it but good luck.

I don't however agree with using "extradimensional" from the 64 manuals talking about Boos as proof of another axis to make it 6D. I think with some pushing 5D is probably the most you can argue for
 
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