Super Mage Giant Phantom MK II, Abyss Break, and Jupiter scaling

[Eseseso]

So in chapter 54, Super Mage Giant Phantom MK II, that giant mech that tries using Abyss Break, is said to be Phantom Lord's greatest weapon, which should naturally put it above Jupiter, which Phantom Lord had just used a few chapters prior.

Naturally, this statement of being above X784 Jupiter would scale to Super Mage Giant Phantom MK II's Abyss Break, since it was preparing to use Abyss Break before it was stopped.

Now, the Abyss Break spell was powered by the power of the Element 4, hence why the defeat of each member of the Element 4 delayed the spell and the defeat of all 4 members totally halted the spell.

Thus, each of the Element 4 should scale to 1/4 of Abyss Break (which FRA is >= X784 Jupiter), aka 6.825 megatons.

Should be simple enough.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Yeah this doesn't work cause of how the Abyss Break worked. It takes 10 minutes for the Super Mage Giant Phantom MK II to charge up and gather the magic power required to form the Abyss Break. As well, the Element Four just power the machine's movements, which in turn moves and created it's own magic circle to fire the Abyss Break. They still participate in gathering the magic power, but even without some of the Element Four, it is still capable of firing the Abyss Break, it just takes up more time. So this wouldn't scale to the Element's Four immediate output of magic power. This is power they can produce when they charge up power for 10 minutes, as opposed to characters like Jellal, who can just fire it immediately.

Secondly, we know there's a gap of at least 6x between X784 Base Natsu and Makarov level people thanks to the confirmed multipliers, so this contradicts this as well

 

[Eseseso]

Secondly, we know there's a gap of at least 6x between X784 Base Natsu and Makarov level people thanks to the confirmed multipliers, so this contradicts this as well

I'm sorry, what confirmed multipliers are you talking about exactly?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

X784 Base Natsu<GMG Base Sting and Rogue<GMG Dragon Force Sting and Rogue (At least 4x above X784 Base Natsu)<X791 Base Natsu and Makarov (2x above GMG Dragon Force Sting and Rogue)

The gap is in total at least 6x

 

[Eseseso]

X784 Base Natsu<GMG Base Sting and Rogue<GMG Dragon Force Sting and Rogue (At least 4x above X784 Base Natsu)<X791 Base Natsu and Makarov (2x above GMG Dragon Force Sting and Rogue)

The gap is in total at least 6x

Shouldn't it be 8x?

But anyways, doesn't X791 Natsu scale above Makarov?

I mean, X791 Natsu >= Hades Form Franmalth = Base Hades >> X784 Makarov.

Base Natsu in X791 is definitely not the same as X784 Makarov, so I'm not sure the above scaling chain is totally valid.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Shouldn't it be 8x?

I suck at math apparently

But anyways, I don't agree with the scale in the OP

 

[Eseseso]

I suck at math apparently

But anyways, I don't agree with the scale in the OP

Ok, the charging up stuff does make sense.