Super Dragon Ball Heroes CC Goku & Vegeta Lifting Strength Upgrade

[Sir_Marvulous]

This is fairly straightforward

Perfected UI CC Goku and CBSSB CC Vegeta should have immeasurable LS via scaling to FPSS3 Cumber, who they are significantly stronger than

The argument against them scaling to immeasurable LS is that the Cumber they fought isn't the same as when he fought Broly but the duo's fight against the Evil Saiyan was interrupted by Hearts, with their opponent still being very much conscious and ready to fight, completely in the condition for it, meaning there was nothing to cause a zenkai for the Evil Saiyan that helped him against Broly later on. Additionally, during Cumber's bout against Broly, Hearts says he'd perform batter against Broly in his perfect condition, implying his earlier displayed power, the one that Goku and Vegeta easily overpowered, saying nothing about him needing to get stronger to stand a chance

That and the whole point of Goku and Vegeta sneaking in a training session in the pseudo time chamber was to gain strength to fight against the active threats they faced, which includes Dark King Fu and SS4LB Broly, who, whaddaya know, SS3 Cumber fought on par with, and the Saiyans easily overpowered FPSS3 Cumber, so them having immeasurable LS is supported both narratively and scaling-wise

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

This is fairly straightforward

Perfected UI CC Goku and CBSSB CC Vegeta should have immeasurable LS via scaling to FPSS3 Cumber, who they are significantly stronger than

The argument against them scaling to immeasurable LS is that the Cumber they fought isn't the same as when he fought Broly but the duo's fight against the Evil Saiyan was interrupted by Hearts, with their opponent still being very much conscious and ready to fight, completely in the condition for it, meaning there was nothing to cause a zenkai for the Evil Saiyan that helped him against Broly later on. Additionally, during Cumber's bout against Broly, Hearts says he'd fare batter against Broly in his perfect condition, implying his earlier displayed power, the one that Goku and Vegeta easily overpowered, saying nothing about him needing to get stronger to stand a chance

That and the whole point of Goku and Vegeta sneaking in a training session in the pseudo time chamber was to gain strength to fight against the active threats they faced, which includes Dark King Fu and SS4LB Broly, who, whaddaya know, SS3 Cumber fought on par with, and the Saiyans easily overpowered FPSS3 Cumber, so them having immeasurable LS is supported both narratively and scaling-wise

Agree

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bump

 

[Tempestdragon6]

i am neutral to this its does not show how it is immeasurable speed

This is fairly straightforward

Perfected UI CC Goku and CBSSB CC Vegeta should have immeasurable LS via scaling to FPSS3 Cumber, who they are significantly stronger than

The argument against them scaling to immeasurable LS is that the Cumber they fought isn't the same as when he fought Broly but the duo's fight against the Evil Saiyan was interrupted by Hearts, with their opponent still being very much conscious and ready to fight, completely in the condition for it, meaning there was nothing to cause a zenkai for the Evil Saiyan that helped him against Broly later on. Additionally, during Cumber's bout against Broly, Hearts says he'd perform batter against Broly in his perfect condition, implying his earlier displayed power, the one that Goku and Vegeta easily overpowered, saying nothing about him needing to get stronger to stand a chance

That and the whole point of Goku and Vegeta sneaking in a training session in the pseudo time chamber was to gain strength to fight against the active threats they faced, which includes Dark King Fu and SS4LB Broly, who, whaddaya know, SS3 Cumber fought on par with, and the Saiyans easily overpowered FPSS3 Cumber, so them having immeasurable LS is supported both narratively and scaling-wise

 

[Roun12]

i am neutral to this its does not show how it is immeasurable speed

It's strength not speed.
The argument is:
Dark King Fu (Held a universe) = SFPS4LB Xeno Vegito = SFPS4LB Xeno Broly = Somewhat weakened SSJ3 Cumber < Full power SSJ3 Cumber < CC Goku and Vegeta after training.

 

[Tempestdragon6]

It's strength not speed.
The argument is:
Dark King Fu (Held a universe) = SFPS4LB Xeno Vegito = SFPS4LB Xeno Broly = Somewhat weakened SSJ3 Cumber < Full power SSJ3 Cumber < CC Goku and Vegeta after training.

OK I agree then

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It's strength not speed.
The argument is:
Dark King Fu (Held a universe) = SFPS4LB Xeno Vegito = SFPS4LB Xeno Broly = Somewhat weakened SSJ3 Cumber < Full power SSJ3 Cumber < CC Goku and Vegeta after training.

2-A Immeasurable LS = TPU Mechikabura <<<<<< Awakened Keysword <<<<<< Dark King Fu < SSB & SS4LB Vegito ~ SS4LB Broly ~ SS3 Cumber <<<<<< FPSS3 Cumber <<<<<< PUI Goku and CBSSB Vegeta

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bump

 

[Eseseso]

Seems fine

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bump

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bump

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the op

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bump

 

[denisnic55]

Hard agree on this one

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bump

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bump

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bump

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Perfecto

 

[Quasar002]

2-A Immeasurable LS = TPU Mechikabura <<<<<< Awakened Keysword <<<<<< Dark King Fu < SSB & SS4LB Vegito ~ SS4LB Broly ~ SS3 Cumber <<<<<< FPSS3 Cumber <<<<<< PUI Goku and CBSSB Vegeta

Right. Vegeta and goku are superior to cumber, i agree with that.

 

[Vietthai96]

1. Dark King Fu isn't > TPU Mechikabura and Awakened Keysword as both of them in their own scaling chain, Dark King Fu only > Dark King Mechikabura

2. The Cumber that fought Broly is post-Zenkai and Accelerated Development Cumber, after he fighting CBSSB Vegeta and Evil Saiyan state Turles and then King of Destruction Omega Shenron thus he is vastly stronger, you can't scale him to PUI Goku and CBSSB Vegeta

So the entire scaling chain is wrong. At best you can upgrade Cumber LS at the end of Big Bang Mission/New Space-Time War Saga and probably Super Hearts (Evolved)

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

This is kinda my fault, because i didn't know that Cumber actually gets stomped by LSSJ Broly in the arcade.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

The Cumber that fought Broly is post-Zenkai and Accelerated Development Cumber, after he fighting CBSSB Vegeta and Evil Saiyan state Turles and then King of Destruction Omega Shenron thus he is vastly stronger, you can't scale him to PUI Goku and CBSSB Vegeta

That was only in the anime

In the manga, they fight him again and easily overpower him but the fight is interrupted before it can go anywhere. And the manga takes precedence since the anime is mostly promotional

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

That was only in the anime

In the manga, they fight him again and easily overpower him but the fight is interrupted before it can go anywhere. And the manga takes precedence since the anime is mostly promotional

This is kinda my fault, because i didn't know that Cumber actually gets stomped by LSSJ Broly in the arcade.

 

[GarrixianXD]

I thought this was a tier 1 revision for DBH before I read the full title, I'm in utter disappointment now.

 

[Vietthai96]

That was only in the anime

In the manga, they fight him again and easily overpower him but the fight is interrupted before it can go anywhere. And the manga takes precedence since the anime is mostly promotional

Well, like Otta said, in game, LSSJ Broly stomp Cumber, and game take precedence bruhh

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

1. Dark King Fu isn't > TPU Mechikabura and Awakened Keysword as both of them in their own scaling chain, Dark King Fu only > Dark King Mechikabura

Dark King Fu even without a complete grasp on his power releases more of the Dark Factor's power than Mechikabura did, and there is nothing limiting Towa's statement to merely Dark King Mechikabura, especially considering she created Fu to be the ultimate existence using the cells of several warriors including those of Mechikabura

 

[Vietthai96]

Dark King Fu even without a complete grasp on his power releases more of the Dark Factor's power than Mechikabura did, and there is nothing limiting Towa's statement to merely Dark King Mechikabura, especially considering she created Fu to be the ultimate existence using the cells of several warriors including those of Mechikabura

TPU form was powered by not only Dark Factor, but also Time Power and the multiverse he absorbed, Fu only absorbed Dark Factor, you need more proof for him to > TPU Mechikabura, because literally that the highest assumption while the statement stated Mechikabura generally. And also you even put DK Fu > Awakened Keysword which have no place in the scaling due to it way stronger than even TPU Mechikabura, the sword in that form potentially can one shot TPU Mechi. Anyway Dark Demon Realm Mission scaling chain ended with Awakened Keysword at the top, from Universe Mission onward we have entirely new scaling chain that not from either TPU Mechi and Awakened Keysword

 

[Fezzih_007]

I agree

 

[denisnic55]

Bump

 

[AwkguyDB]

straightforward agree