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Sun wukong/Journey to the west CRT

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Nepuko said:
You'll "let" ricsi make the profile? XD
This can be closed "when you finish creating" the profile?? XDD

Dude.....
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I really shouldn't be the one to create the profile and besides that I've been commenting on phone for the past few days and not a godamn computer so its harder for me to create it unless I mess something up
 
His pre Buddha tier might not be that high, but his various abilities (immortality, self duplication, size-shifting, shapeshifting to the degree that he can turn into monsters, other people, increase his number of limbs, become objects, and turn into mist, invisibility, flight, sleep manipulation, dimensional travel via his cloud, etc) as well as his skill and intelligence make up for it. With enough time and preparation, a bloodlusted Wukong could give a challenge to even characters on a much higher tier. If he created clones from all 84,000 hairs on his body and they all grew to maximum size and did their sommersault, they could generate enough power to destroy the planet.

BTW, it's clarified here that he can grow up to a hundred thousand feet tall, so I'm curious if he should have a separate tier for his giant size, which should be high 6-A.
 
Frieza_force_soldier_100 said:
His pre Buddha tier might not be that high, but his various abilities (immortality, self duplication, size-shifting, shapeshifting to the degree that he can turn into monsters, other people, increase his number of limbs, become objects, and turn into mist, invisibility, flight, sleep manipulation, dimensional travel via his cloud, etc) as well as his skill and intelligence make up for it. With enough time and preparation, a bloodlusted Wukong could give a challenge to even characters on a much higher tier. If he created clones from all 84,000 hairs on his body and they all grew to maximum size and did their sommersault, they could generate enough power to destroy the planet.

BTW, it's clarified here that he can grow up to a hundred thousand feet tall, so I'm curious if he should have a separate tier for his giant size, which should be high 6-A.
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@Ricsi-viragosi

also.... @Frieza_force_soldier_100

If he created clones from all 84,000 hairs on his body and they all grew to maximum size and did their sommersault, they could generate enough power to destroy the planet.

this wouldn't be in wukong's tier since its more of an accumalation
 
Alright, I'll sludge through the new editing stuff.

However, without the raw for how big he grows, I am not taking that.
 
So, I will be needing the statement of him transcending reality fully. And transcending time, the only interaction he has as a Buddha is not very consistent with that idea.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
So, I will be needing the statement of him transcending reality fully. And transcending time, the only interaction he has as a Buddha is not very consistent with that idea.
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I thought we agreed that we scaled sunwukong above the lower god pangu who broke the primordial chaos which sprouted innumerable dualities from it and comparable to the buddha who himself states that he exist beyond linear space-time including both mortal and immortal realms. Also what about his immeasurable speed?
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Fandom being wonky, most likely.
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Also link the original proof of transduality type 2 because it is not inside the test profile because I need to have one last look at it also....reply to this one down here
Greatsage13th said:
I thought we agreed that we scaled sunwukong above the lower god pangu who broke the primordial chaos which sprouted innumerable dualities from it and comparable to the buddha who himself states that he exist beyond linear space-time including both mortal and immortal realms. Also what about his immeasurable speed?
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Ricsi-viragosi said:
Yeah, I am asking for the "linear time" part of that.
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One day, as the Buddha dwelt in the Thunder Monastery on the Vulture Peak, he called together all the other Buddhas, Arhats, guardian deities, Bodhisattvas, Vajrapanis, monks and nuns and said, “As we are beyond time, I don’t know how long it has been since the crafty ape was subdued and Heaven pacified, but by earthly reckoning it must be about five hundred years."

The place where the buddha resided doesn't have any space time in it unlike the heavenly realm where one hour there is equivalent to one year on earth.
 
@Ricsi-viragosi

Since you used outside info that was not from the novel to determine the size of there verse. I bet it's fair for me to bring up a point that would alter the tier a slight bit.
 
Udlmaster said:
The research, you can have it, that's not mine to take, but the work on the profile to spiff it up is a different matter.
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I mean, I didn't copy paste it, since I can't get the source code for another's blog (I think? If you can get it, idk how to do it).

We can reword it if you want, I guess.
 
Greatsage13th said:
@Ricsi-viragosi

Since you used outside info that was not from the novel to determine the size of there verse. I bet it's fair for me to bring up a point that would alter the tier a slight bit.
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What are you talking about? I used in-verse statements. Wukong claims how much he can travel with a sumersault, and reaches the end of the universe. Later, Buddha mentions what their bet was, and directly says how many Li's Wukong can jump through.

I did not take anything out of novel.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
What are you talking about? I used in-verse statements. Wukong claims how much he can travel with a sumersault, and reaches the end of the universe. Later, Buddha mentions what their bet was, and directly says how many Li's Wukong can jump through.

I did not take anything out of novel.
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You assumed the universe was only 108000 li and the stars to be only 200 miles
 
Greatsage13th said:
You assumed the universe was only 108000 li and the stars to be only 200 miles
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No for the second one, I did not assume that.

For the first one, I explained to you why this is the case in-story, by pointing at things that happen in the novel. At no point did I take out of story sizes.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
No for the second one, I did not assume that.

For the first one, I explained to you why this is the case in-story, by pointing at things that happen in the novel. At no point did I take out of story sizes.
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Yes he has the ability leap 100800 li but he leapt like that across the mortal realm which in this case is still a part of the milky way and logically the point in the story where he leapt to the pillars of creation was not only from the heaven and not from the earth itself which would cause his feat to be a minimal easier but it was actually an illusion made by the buddha where he never wrote anything on his fingers and instead on his palm instead which means the buddha was capable of paralysing wukong or bypass his golden eyes that negates illusions and trickery
 
Greatsage13th said:
Yes he has the ability leap 100800 li but he leapt like that across the mortal realm which in this case is still a part of the milky way and logically the point in the story where he leapt to the pillars of creation was not only from the heaven and not from the earth itself which would cause his feat to be a minimal easier but it was actually an illusion made by the buddha where he never wrote anything on his fingers and instead on his palm instead which means the buddha was capable of paralysing wukong or bypass his golden eyes that negates illusions and trickery
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...No. None of that is remotely true, in any way.

It was not paralysis, an illuision, or trickery. As the buddha, all of creation is his palm.
 
>Wukong has an ability that can take him anywhere in the world.
>Wukong's ability took him to the pillars of the universe.
>The Buddha's palm contains all of reality in them, and his fingers are literally the five pillars that hold it up.
>Wukong's skill makes him travel up to 1'080'000 li.

Conclusion, an ability that can take him anywhere and was shown to take him to the edge of the universe has an effective range of 1'080'000 li, so the world is equal or smaller than that in radius.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
...No. None of that is remotely true, in any way.

It was not paralysis, an illuision, or trickery. As the buddha, all of creation is his palm.
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When he heard this offer the Great Sage smiled to himself and thought, “This Buddha is a complete idiot. I can cover thirty-six thousand miles with a somersault, so how could I fail to jump out of the palm of his hand, which is less than a foot across?”

With this in his mind he asked eagerly, “Do you guarantee that yourself?”

“Yes, yes,” the Buddha replied, and he stretched out his right hand, which seemed to be about the size of a lotus leaf. Putting away his As-You-Will cudgel, the Great Sage summoned up all his divine powers, jumped into the palm of the Buddha’s hand, and said, “I’m off.” Watch him as he goes like a streak of light and disappears completely. The Buddha, who was watching him with his wise eyes, saw the Monkey King whirling forward like a windmill and not stopping until he saw five flesh-pink pillars topped by dark vapours.

“This is the end of the road,” he said, “so now I’ll go back. The Buddha will be witness, and the Hall of Miraculous Mist will be mine.” Then he thought again, “Wait a moment. I’ll leave my mark here to prove my case when I talk to the Buddha.” He pulled out a hair, breathed on it with his magic breath, and shouted “Change.” It turned into a writing brush dipped in ink, and with it he wrote THE GREAT SAGE EQUALING HEAVEN WAS HERE in big letters on the middle pillar. When that was done he put the hair back on, and, not standing on his dignity, made a pool of monkey piss at the foot of the pillar. Then he turned his somersault round and went back to where he had started from.

“I went, and now I’m back. Tell the Jade Emperor to hand the Heavenly Palace over to me,” he said, standing in the Buddha’s palm.

“I’ve got you, you piss-spirit of a monkey,” roared the Buddha at him. “You never left the palm of my hand.”
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
>Wukong has an ability that can take him anywhere in the world.
>Wukong's ability took him to the pillars of the universe.
>The Buddha's palm contains all of reality in them, and his fingers are literally the five pillars that hold it up.
>Wukong's skill makes him travel up to 1'080'000 li.

Conclusion, an ability that can take him anywhere and was shown to take him to the edge of the universe has an effective range of 1'080'000 li, so the world is equal or smaller than that in radius.
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“You’re wrong there,” the Great Sage replied. “I went to the farthest point of Heaven, where I saw five flesh-pink pillars topped by dark vapours. I left my mark there: do you dare come and see it with me?”

“There’s no need to go. Just look down.” The Great Sage looked down with his fire eyes with golden pupils to see the words “The Great Sage Equaling Heaven Was Here” written on the middle finger of the Buddha’s right hand. The stink of monkey-piss rose from the fold at the bottom of the finger.

“What a thing to happen,” exclaimed the Great Sage in astonishment. “I wrote this on one of the pillars supporting the sky, so how can it be on his finger now? He must have used divination to know what I was going to do. I don’t believe it. I refuse to believe it! I’ll go there and come back again.”
 
Even if for some reason you want to argue that he is not infact omnipresent, that just means Wukong goes to Unknown.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Yes. Because, as we just said, the whole universe is in his palm.
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But he only managed to leap from the center of the palm to the base of the buddha's middle finger and not the top part of a finger. Also sunwukong said that he saw the pillars touching the "sky" which doesn't make sense when the clouds are directly below the immortal realm where all infrastructures of the immortals are built atop these clouds and the star of longetivity was found at the center of the milky way above the heaven where tagatha noticed him

Startling the stars and constellations in the hall.
Immortals and the Buddha put down their cups,
Each of them raising their heads to look.
An old man appeared in the middle of the Milky Way

so the universe is below the milky way?

We should really recheck JTTW's cosmology again
 
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Ricsi-viragosi said:
Even if for some reason you want to argue that he is not infact omnipresent, that just means Wukong goes to Unknown.
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He is scaling to the buddha but also has immeasurable speed from existing above linear space time of both mortal and immortal realms alike.
 
You are jumping from one argument to another so goddamn sporadically that I just can't will myself to keep this up. If you wish, you may make your own profile, or change it to how you would prefer. If you cannot do that, and you cannot stop for five minutes to collect your thoughts and make a single comment that doesn't contradict what you said before, then please stop.

Now. Take every power, tier, rating, etc. you think should be on the profile but is not yet, and - in one comment - explain why while quoting the reasons for this. You can use Imgur, it's not that difficult.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
You are jumping from one argument to another so goddamn sporadically that I just can't will myself to keep this up. If you wish, you may make your own profile, or change it to how you would prefer. If you cannot do that, and you cannot stop for five minutes to collect your thoughts and make a single comment that doesn't contradict what you said before, then please stop.

Now. Take every power, tier, rating, etc. you think should be on the profile but is not yet, and - in one comment - explain why while quoting the reasons for this. You can use Imgur, it's not that difficult.
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Fine I'll edit it on this one later. Actually yeah...what did I contradict?
 
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