Sun wukong/Journey to the west CRT

[Greatsage13th]

For his second key, sure.

Anyways, could someone grab the original statement for the giant size then?

It is generally large size type 4 while his buddhood will scale to buddha's type 5 or 6

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I mean a set number, for his first key, so that I can make a KE Calc.

 

[Greatsage13th]

There is no set number the only thing I saw was that erlang's trident's tip was already the size of a mountain

 

[Greatsage13th]

But anyway once this profile is made. I guarantee low 2C fang mu will be overthrown from 3rd strongest low 2C

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Is Low 2C concluded then?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Is Low 2C concluded then?

Yes just that high 6A needs a calc @Ricsi-viragosi said

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Alright, if there is no set size, then...

Wukong can move up to Mach 63192.419825

His staff weighs 6750 kilos. I'll add another 80 for Wukong himself.

With that, 0.5*6830*63192.419825^2 is 1.3637058e+13 Joules, being 7-C. This would at least be consistent with shaking the mountains (which would be magnitude 5~5.5 without further context, so 1.122018e+13 Joules).

 

[Greatsage13th]

Okay I guess it's settled.

Also I just found info that the wheel of rebirth actually forces gods and demons with immortality type 1 or 5 or both to be forced into reincarnation while removing their immortality such as zhu bajie and Sha wujing. which cough cough doesn't affect those inserted into the record of eternal life which is why buddha decided to bury him under a mountain that pinned him for 5 centuries.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But like, where? I did go through the novel searching for that, and what you said was not even slightly implied.

All they said was that if they did something - unrelated to the wheel - they would certainly be killed and forced back into it. That is not the wheel being strong, that's just a danger being able to kill them despite old age not being able to do so. The fact that they reincarnate post death is a positive power.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I agree with Ricsi on the tiering. Also, like I've told you a few times previously but you need to organize your stuff when posting things.

Post the quote too, as without one you have no basis for your words to back up them.

Make a sandbox with what's accepted and then we'll see.

You don't need negation to reincarnate someone with type 1.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I agree with Ricsi on the tiering. Also, like I've told you a few times previously but you need to organize your stuff when posting things.

Post the quote too, as without one you have no basis for your words to back up them.

Make a sandbox with what's accepted and then we'll see.

You don't need negation to reincarnate someone with type 1.

I mean the wheel negates the immortal's natural immortality or power nulled them before sending them back to the mortal realm as human or demon just like the case with erlang's mother when she violated one of the laws of heaven just to be with a mortal

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I'll need a quote on that.

 

[Zaratthustra]

You should start working on the sandbox and when you think is finished with the accepted things post here so we can see it.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'll need a quote on that.

I’m neither a wild boar nor a pig,” the monster replied. “I used to be Marshal Tian Peng in the Milky Way. Because I took some wine to seduce the moon maiden, the Jade Emperor sentenced me to two thousand hammer blows and exile in the mortal world.

When the ogre heard this he chanted “na-a-aw” several times to show his respect, withdrew his pole and let Moksa seize it. Then he bowed to Guanyin and said, “Forgive me, Bodhisattva, and listen to what I have to tell you. I am not a demon, but the Curtain Raising General who used to stand in attendance by the imperial chariot in the Hall of Miraculous Mist. Just because I accidentally smashed a crystal dish at a Peach Banquet the Jade Emperor had me given eight hundred strokes of the rod, exiled me to the lower world, and made me look like this. And on top of it all every seven days he sends a flying sword here to stab my chest over a hundred times before it goes back again.

“I am the son of Ao Run, the Dragon King of the Western Sea. Because I burnt up the bright pearls in the palace, my father reported me to the court of Heaven as a rebel. The Jade Emperor had me hung up in mid-air and given three hundred strokes, and I am to be executed any day now.

They either power nulled or stripped away their immortalities and their godly nature before Forcing both wujing and bajie into demons.

Also they could fully execute the son of the dragon king despite having type 5 and 1 and it's not through existence erasure

Edit:sorry for the extremely late reply. I forgotten the chapter where the qoute came from @Ricsi-viragosi .

 

[Nepuko]

I mean, not really? Immortality type 1 is basically to never die of old age, but you still can very much die from unnatural means, like getting killed. If he forcibly reincarnated someone with type 1 that's like forcibly reincarnating anyone else, there is no negation here because there is nothing to negate, not like the type 1 guys cannot be killed.

How does the son of the drakon king have type 5 Immortality btw?

 

[Greatsage13th]

I mean, not really? Immortality type 1 is basically to never die of old age, but you still can very much die from unnatural means, like getting killed. If he forcibly reincarnated someone with type 1 that's like forcibly reincarnating anyone else, there is no negation here because there is nothing to negate, not like the type 1 guys cannot be killed.

How does the son of the drakon king have type 5 Immortality btw?

Practically all beings with godhood or buddhahood is unbound by the concept of death basically not bound to the book of life and death while not having their name registered to the record of eternal life as that is only reserved to the highest gods or ones with honourable titles like the case with sun wukong

And yes the dragon king is considered a god in the verse as the god of the sea.

 

[Nepuko]

Do you have the quote/feat for that? the concept part of your comment, unbound and whatnot.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Do you have the quote/feat for that?

Sun Wukong looked through this one himself. Under “Soul No. 1350” was the name of Sun Wukong, the Heaven-born stone monkey, who was destined to live to the age of 342 and die a good death.

“I won’t write down any number of years,” said Sun Wukong. “I’ll just erase my name and be done with it. Bring me a brush.” The judge hastily handed him a brush and thick, black ink.

Sun Wukong took the register, crossed out all the names in the monkey section, and threw it on the floor with the words, “The account’s closed. That’s an end of it. We won’t come under your control any longer.” Then he cudgeled his way out of the World of Darkness. The Ten Kings dared not go near him, and they all went to the Azure Cloud Palace to bow in homage to the Bodhisattva Ksitigarbha and discuss the report they would send up to Heaven.

The Monkey King accepted the order and went that same day with the Star Lords of the Constellation Five to his residence, where he opened the bottles of wine and drained them dry with the help of all present. He then saw the star officials off and returned to his own palace. From then on he lived in happiness and content, and enjoyed untrammelled pleasure in the Palace. Truly,

His immortal name was for ever inscribed in the register of eternal life,
To be transmitted for ten thousand ages, free of the wheel of rebirth.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The dudes are not like Buddha. And Wukong physically removed himself from the registry, no such statement is made for others (defying the pre-disposed death is unallowed in heaven and they try to fight you if you defy it, and a deity died to it if I recall correctly). Not being in the cycle normally simply means they can live forever instead of ten kalpas like Wukong normally could have.

 

[Greatsage13th]

The dudes are not like Buddha. And Wukong physically removed himself from the registry, no such statement is made for others (defying the pre-disposed death is unallowed in heaven and they try to fight you if you defy it, and a deity died to it if I recall correctly). Not being in the cycle normally simply means they can live forever instead of ten kalpas like Wukong normally could have.

Well then what should we assume when the son of the dragon king said that he would be 'killed' off by the heavens despite the latter having type 5 like his father and I don't think the verse has existence erasure without the use of chaos manipulation

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

They have type 1 immortality. They cannot die of old age. No statement claims they cannot be killed otherwise.

 

[Greatsage13th]

They have type 1 immortality. They cannot die of old age. No statement claims they cannot be killed otherwise.

Pretty sure he has type 5 like his father before him

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Well I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

 

[Nepuko]

>His immortal name was for ever inscribed in the register of eternal life,
To be transmitted for ten thousand ages, free of the wheel of rebirth.

I asked about why the gods or anyone with godhood would get Type 5 and "unbound" from life and death, the feats for those. The above quote clearly means that he's "free from reincarnation" since he's no longer a mortal and won't die and be reborn. But I digress, I asked about the gods please, if you could justify that it's neat. If not, then they only have Type 1.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Well I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

Here is the thing the names of the gods are not contained within the registry of life and death only mortals that were born in the mortal realm have their names listed there.

The Ten Kings then ordered the presiding judge to fetch the register, and the judge hastened to his office and brought out five or six documents and ten registers. He looked through them all one by one, but could not find Sun Wukong’s name in the sections devoted to hairless creatures, hairy creatures, feathered creatures, insects, or scaly creatures. Then he looked through the monkey section. Now although monkeys looked like men, they were not entered under the humans; although they were like the hairless creatures, they did not live within their boundaries; although they were like running animals, they were not under the jurisdiction of the unicorn; and although they were like birds, they were not ruled by the phoenix. There was another register, and Sun Wukong looked through this one himself. Under “Soul No. 1350” was the name of Sun Wukong, the Heaven-born stone monkey, who was destined to live to the age of 342 and die a good death.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That... doesn't prove it is type 5. It just means they don't die of old age.

 

[Greatsage13th]

That... doesn't prove it is type 5. It just means they don't die of old age.

Then the Venerable Immortal Ge, a heavenly teacher, reported, “Your Majesty, the King of Qinguang, one of the ministers of the Underworld, has come with a memorial from the Bodhisattva Ksitigarbha.” A jade girl messenger took the memorial, which the Jade Emperor read through. It ran: The regions of darkness are the negative part of the Earth. Heaven contains gods while the Earth has devils; Positive and Negative are in a constant cycle. Birds and beasts are born and die; male and female alternate. Life is created and change takes place; male and female are conceived and born; this is the order of nature, and it cannot be changed. Now the evil spirit, the Heaven-born monkey of the Water Curtain Cave on the Mountain of Flowers and Fruit, is presently giving full rein to his wicked nature, committing murders, and refusing to submit to discipline. He killed the devil messengers of the Ninth Hell with his magic, and he terrified the Ten Benevolent Kings of the Underworld with his power. He made an uproar in the Senluo Palace and crossed some names out by force. He has made the race of monkeys completely uncontrollable, and given eternal life to the macaques. He has annulled the law of transmigration and brought them beyond birth and death. I, impoverished monk that I am, importune the might of Heaven by presenting this memorial. I prostrate myself to beg that Heavenly soldiers be despatched to subdue this fiend, bring the positive and Negative back into order, and give lasting security to the Underworld.

 

[Deleted member 2530]

You do know that just means eternal life right? I mean you seem to not look at the context and just search for words like "beyond". Beyond life and death just means just that.... eternal life.

 

[Greatsage13th]

They were unbound from it's concept

 

[Nepuko]

From what I was told the reward for their Journey was "having the age same as the Universe", so........

 

[Greatsage13th]

From what I was told the reward for their Journey was "having the age same as the Universe", so........

Apakah....

What was that suppose to mean

 

[Greatsage13th]

When you're beyond life and death and when it's says you are unbound by its law it grants you type 5

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Sigh.
“Master, you don’t seem to understand,” said Pilgrim, panting heavily, “that when we escorted you to acquire these scriptures, we had, in fact, robbed Heaven and Earth of their creative powers. For our success meant that we could share the age of the universe; like the light of the sun and moon, we would enjoy life everlasting for we had put on an incorruptible body. Our success, however, had also incurred the envy of Heaven and Earth, the jealousy of both demons and gods, who wanted to snatch away the scriptures from us. They could not do so only because the scriptures were thoroughly wet and because they had been shielded by your rectified dharma-body, which could not be harmed by thunder, lightning, or fog. Moreover, old Monkey was brandishing his iron rod to exercise the nature of pure yang and give you protection. Now that it is morning, the forces of yang are evermore in ascendancy, and the demons cannot prevail.”

Also, just reply in a single comment. Why do you have to post several times for a single thing?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Sigh.
“Master, you don’t seem to understand,” said Pilgrim, panting heavily, “that when we escorted you to acquire these scriptures, we had, in fact, robbed Heaven and Earth of their creative powers. For our success meant that we could share the age of the universe; like the light of the sun and moon, we would enjoy life everlasting for we had put on an incorruptible body. Our success, however, had also incurred the envy of Heaven and Earth, the jealousy of both demons and gods, who wanted to snatch away the scriptures from us. They could not do so only because the scriptures were thoroughly wet and because they had been shielded by your rectified dharma-body, which could not be harmed by thunder, lightning, or fog. Moreover, old Monkey was brandishing his iron rod to exercise the nature of pure yang and give you protection. Now that it is morning, the forces of yang are evermore in ascendancy, and the demons cannot prevail.”

Also, just reply in a single comment. Why do you have to post several times for a single thing?

I'm doing this on an old phone it lags a lot when I try to edit my previous comment.

That doesn't debunk buddhahood's transdualism and manipulation of the formless ying and yang(chaos manipulation or duality manipulation)

 

[Greatsage13th]

Okay so....I believe this could end right now as there are no longer any additional abilities to add for wukong I believe and since a tier is already given his profile preparations is fully completed

 

[Zaratthustra]

Make the sandbox and post it here so we can see it.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I

Make the sandbox and post it here so we can see it.

I dont really know how to make a character profile. Only @Ricsi-viragosi has the test profile not me

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I'm going to need some time doing that stuff. If you want to do it, you just go here and press create.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'm going to need some time doing that stuff. If you want to do it, you just go here and press create.

I'll let you create the profile since I'm inexperienced in such things but anyways this can be closed when you finished creating the profile

 

[Nepuko]

You'll "let" ricsi make the profile? XD
This can be closed "when you finish creating" the profile?? XDD

Dude.....