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I also think the Cthulhu Mythos pages should probably elaborate on the complexity of the characters and their abilities a littttle bit more. That being said, True Bernkastel should take this if the levels of complexity in Umineko are how I understand them to be.
 
Yobobojojo said:
Seriously tho, if Bern vs Nya was fair, and Pres vs Umir was fair, and Umir > Nya, The Presence wins via slight AP advantage


Pretty strange logic. Umr At Tawil is no higher than Nya, and even if he were, the Presence did not defeat him.

Aeyu said:
True Bernkastel

Well, as in the case of the Outer Gods, this form can not even be called a character. Even her own avatars call it "Me" in quotes (『þºü』).
 
^ this

Both cosmologies are too complex to decide a winner past semantics and definition crunching. By the time you get to inaccessible realms, things are already stupidly complicated.
 
I very much doubt that the Presence can destroy Bern. Honestly, I do not quite understand why he is even classified as a strong 1-A. Although I can not guarantee anything since I'm not a specialist.
 
Primaris Brian said:
I think the Presence have one of the strongest NLF manip in this wiki, so he should win this with ease.
I think you do not quite understand who Bern are. She's not kind of thing you can easily defeat even with NLF.
 
I think the Presence will still win because at least Bern have the power and ability that people can use as NLF, meanwhile Presence have none of that and ppl still NLF him to high heaven.
 
People who do something (anything) are still part of Bern's power.
 
It's also part of the Presence's nature to win or stalemate a ridiculously more power opponent for no reason..Dude is so OP he doesn't need reasons anymore.
 
Primaris Brian said:
It's also part of the Presence's nature to win or stalemate a ridiculously more power opponent for no reason..Dude is so OP he doesn't need reasons anymore.
It's doesn't matter the presence would still lose against bernkastel because she have infinitely of transcend of base line 1A
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Bernkastel is a long-haired girl.
As you know, long-haired girls are the meaning of life.

The Presence cannot compete with the meaning of life.

Bernkastel wins.

(For a legit answer, no idea)
To be fair, The Presence did disengage his Omniscience. Or his Nigh-Omniscience, whatever you guys on this wiki think it is.
 
Maicol2244 said:
This fight is a joke because i really don't see the presence winning against berns she have a impressive feat
The Presence is no joke to be dealing with, Sure Berns may have better feats but The Presence is immensly powerful. He can fodderize Lucifer and Michael with an eyeblink, Though he doesn't do it we know he can do it. And comparing both of their bios The Presence appears to be way smarter.
 
The Presence is no joke to be dealing with, Sure Berns may have better feats but The Presence is immensly powerful. He can fodderize Lucifer and Michael with an eyeblink, Though he doesn't do it we know he can do it. And comparing both of their bios The Presence appears to be way smarter.

But the thing is she is nothing compared to Michael and Lucifer she is not any a opponent to defeat that easy because the presence have a low transcend than berns and about the intelligen i could say the same
 
Maicol2244 said:
The Presence is no joke to be dealing with, Sure Berns may have better feats but The Presence is immensly powerful. He can fodderize Lucifer and Michael with an eyeblink, Though he doesn't do it we know he can do it. And comparing both of their bios The Presence appears to be way smarter.
But the thing is she is nothing compared to Michael and Lucifer she is not any a opponent to defeat that easy because the presence have a low transcend than berns and about the intelligen i could say the same
I may have misinterpreted what you said, But if she is nothing compared to Michael and Lucifer that means that Yahweh would body her no questions asked. I'm not sure if you meant that Michael and Lucifer are far above her, or if she is far above them.
 
The Presence is no joke to be dealing with, Sure Berns may have better feats but The Presence is immensly powerful. He can fodderize Lucifer and Michael with an eyeblink, Though he doesn't do it we know he can do it. And comparing both of their bios The Presence appears to be way smarter. But the thing is she is nothing compared to Michael and Lucifer she is not any a opponent to defeat that easy because the presence have a low transcend than berns and about the intelligen i could say the same
I may have misinterpreted what you said, But if she is nothing compared to Michael and Lucifer that means that Yahweh would body her no questions asked. I'm not sure if you meant that Michael and Lucifer are far above her, or if she is far above them.

sorry for my bad inglish what i try to say she is above of the two of them
 
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