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What? This doesn't happen.Ogbunabali said:The sevenfold curse was fine with Cain it's just that the Presence intervenes when anyone tries to do anything to Cain, that makes incap impossible, which is what people decided that counts as the outside help.
What how?Iapitus The Impaler said:Cain was gonna get destroyed by Enlil at this point so it doesn't matter how he would have dealed with Ba
I think you misconstrued what was argued, my dude.Ogbunabali said:I'm just saying what has been argued.
I can say with certainty that said argument is a load of crap.DontTalkDT said:The Cain thing was mostly about the argument that [Insert any form of non-harmful incapacitation here] wouldn't work, because otherwise Lucifer would have used it against Cain.
That's were the entire thing with the Presence protecting Cain came in.
No, the argument was that if Lucifer couldn't outthink Cain's curse then no one below Lucifer's intelligence or power could either because Lucifer was notoriously brilliant and powerful 1-A being.Ogbunabali said:I didn't misconstrue anything. The argument was "the Presence would do something if anyone does anything to Cain because Lucifer was scared of him".
Nah, a character with the same kind of BFR where they reorientate cyberspace worked on a potentially 1-A being. Reorientating Cyberspace would have worked on him anyway, even if it was just High 1-B . Enlil's type 9 also means that Cain has no way to put him down eitherWarren Valion said:What how?
Cain's shit is 1-A.
Enlil's is 1-B to High 1-B?
How can Cain lose?
@Wok:Wokistan said:I don't think Luficer was so much trying to fight Cain as he was saying "Yeah even I can't do anything about that guy". He could probably outsmart him or trick him into just leaving if Cain was obstructing him.
The Presence can theoretically do whatever it wants though.
And I'm here to tell you that those people are wrong.Hl3 or bust said:The issue was less the curse and more people acting like The Presense will personally kill anyone who does anything to Cai
Cain can travel to The Dreaming with Dimensional Travel, which IIRC is a High 1-B realm - I might (probably) be wrong though.PsychoWarper said:Yeah the problem is weather or not Incap stuff would be reflected, afaik it hasnt shown the ability to do so so I think stuff like Mind Hax and BFR might work but I could be wrong.
WOD Caine is not on the list just because of his attack reflection.He is on the list because he has all of the mages powerMrKingOfNegativity said:I really don't think being cursed by a god should count as "outside help" anyway.
It'd be one thing if there were absolutely no way to get around it due to said god slapping every possible approach out of the way, actively. But in Cain's case (IIRC), he's just a guy who's been cursed.
And rather ironically, Caine from WoD is literally the same scenario of "you get hit sevenfold by whatever you try to kill him with" (that's one of the few things I know about WoD by reputation), and I'm pretty sure that comes from something that his God bestowed upon him. So if nothing else, we're pulling a real double standard right now, because that character has gotten to stay in his spot on this list thus far.
What King is saying is that if DC's Cain's curse was considered outside help, then WOD Caine's curse should as well.Setsuna tenma said:WOD Caine is not on the list just because of his attack reflection.He is on the list because he has all of the mages power
The Presence isn't personally killing people.TacticalNuke002 said:The curse is just the 7x Attack Reflection, which is fair enough. What is not fair is Presence personally intervening and killing the people who hurt Cain, even though he has no real obligation to. The killing also doesn't happen automatically, taking some time after the event where someone attempted to hurt Cain (Judge Gallows).
The God Of Procrastination said:I have a feeling that Noise (Suite Pretty Cure) would take a tier 8 spot, but I would need this to be calculated before I can make a profile for him.
no shit.Hl3 or bust said:>Composite Sim for 9-B
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not seen what they would have to deal with?
Do you doubt me?Overlord775 said: