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Let's wait on Akabane and Ban here. They do take spots though give them some time to get used to their new home. xD
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Strongest Character for Every Tier 22
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How can Ban incap cain?Firephoenixearl said:
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Well Jagan. Turns him into a human vegetable unwilling to do anything. And gains a win.
Also Ban's "i can't lose" makes Cain useless.
Attack Reflection is useless due to Turning Circle. Etc. Though too soon for matches. I want to finish the Archiver first.
Also Ban's "i can't lose" makes Cain useless.
Attack Reflection is useless due to Turning Circle. Etc. Though too soon for matches. I want to finish the Archiver first.
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Doesn`t the jagan have a time limit?So the effects should be gone after the time limit.
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No. The limit is on how long the illusion lasts. If Ban makes him experience something that gives him mental trauma for the rest of his life, that won't be affected by time, that's just the result of what the dude experienced.Setsuna tenma said:
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OK
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The mark reflects hax too, so those abilities get reflectedFirephoenixearl said:
also how exacly is Turning Circle going to protect from 1-A attack reflection ?
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Mind hax does not count as harmOverlord775 said:
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the kindly ones have mind hax, yet Cain wasn't mind screwed
So mind hax get reflected too
So mind hax get reflected too
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Yeah I don't think any 9-Bs are getting past protection from Dream of the Endless and The Presence
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Wokistan not ready for the I/O Base forms lol
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Shouldn't Hadou gods (Reinhard, Mercurius, Tenma Yato etc.) be there in strongest 1-As instead of Umineko high tiers?
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That's the beauty of the Jagan my friend. The will manip doesn't come from the Jagan, but from yourself. Cain just sees something and then says "what's the point of living anymore?". It doesn't directly mess with your mind which is why it's not listed as Mind Manipulation on his profile.Overlord775 said:
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Turning Circle just equalizes people in a way, but also protects from most harm. So ban attacks, it gets reflected 7x stronger then turning circle reflects the dmg.Overlord775 said:
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Cthulhu stomps bothShivansh Garg said:
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Yeah, no, the Turning circle is not blocking 1-A powers
Also Cain went trought so much sh*t that i don't think you can just manipulate him to stop caring, also arguably the mark would activate and the illusions would turn against Jagan
Also Cain went trought so much sh*t that i don't think you can just manipulate him to stop caring, also arguably the mark would activate and the illusions would turn against Jagan
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Wait can Ban even effect Cain do to this, "Cain is by nature a character that exists more in thought than in reality"?
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Well the attack reflected is not 1-A. A 1-A power is doing that though the attack reflected is merely 7x stronger than the previous.Overlord775 said:
That's not how it works. There is always something that can make someone lose their will, Jagan allows Ban to see what has happened through someone's life, so that he can show him exactly what is needed. I mean it could just make him really scared to the point where he gets mental scars from the fear, will manip him, make Cain see Ban as a friend and therefore avoid fighting him, make Cain run away and commit self BFR. The possibilities are endless. And Ban already sees what's happens, a reality is created between the 2 of them.
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Which means?PsychoWarper said:
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It means that in order to beat Cain you have to be able to effect a "thought/idea".Firephoenixearl said:
Also people call it 1-A attack reflection since it can reflect 1-A "attacks".
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Nah, actually she would have to defeat Lord English to take the spot
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Isn't Godhead Pickle Inspector the ultimate being of Lord English's verse? I am not very knowledgeable on homestuck, but how does that work?
Edit: Ninja'd lol
Edit: Ninja'd lol
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Dream Manipulation, Non Physical interaction on a non existant level etc. Yeah it can affect a thought/idea.PsychoWarper said:
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Yeah, he is considered omnipotent in-verse, but he lacks the hax that Lord English hasIapitus The Impaler said:
GPI's hax:
Reality Warping, Omniscience, Omnipresence
LE's hax:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics | Flight, Time Manipulation (As a Lord of Time, he has complete control over the flow of time), Fate Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Plot Manipulation (Took control of MS Paint Adventures, allowing him to control the pace of the plot along with its presentation and medium, ultimately severely damaging the fabric of the story itself), Mind Manipulation (Hypnotized and took control of Alpha Jack through Lil' Cal), Clairvoyance (Can observe events across space and time), Immortality (Types 1 and 4; can only be killed if his death is 'Heroic' or 'Just') | Space-Time Manipulation, Invulnerability, Reality Warping, Sealing, BFR, Acausality, Resistance to soul Destruction (Even when weakened, Dirk couldn't destroy his soul) | All previous powers at their fullest potential, Dream Manipulation (Using Gamzee's powers, he inserted himself into Dave's dreams and influenced reality from them. By using these powers, he willed himself into existence within the dreams of people across as many universes as possible, masterminding the surfacing of his true power from these manifestations, despite having his original soul cast into the void), Fear Manipulation, Void Manipulation (His existence includes Equius, the Heir of Void, and he can cause "Double Death", completely erasing a person from existence), Conceptual Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Time Travel, Curse and Life Manipulation, Teleportation, exists simultaneously across all timelines even before his emergence, Regenerationn, Immortality (Types 1, 3, 4, and 8; he has assured his existence throughout all of space and time, becoming a temporal inevitability that all successful timelines result in, and can only be killed through the exploitation of various time-based glitches and loopholes), can "unlock any lock", can bypass Regenerationn (Mid-Godly) and Immortality (Types 1, 4, and 8), Resistance to psychic attack and to Time Stop
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But... if Lord English gets stomped no dif by the God of his verse how the hell would he be the strongest for that tier? I will say that I do see it more likely that Lord English would defeat Ea than GHPI, so maybe I do see your point.
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Ok, so right now im still not seeing what Ban can do to beat Cain since the Willpower manip is likley Reflected.Firephoenixearl said:
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As i said. Cain has never reflected anything coming from himself. Ban just makes a reality and then Cain believes it's not ok to fight ban and leaves.PsychoWarper said:
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Why does she have fungus manip?Iapitus The Impaler said:
Its hilarious
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Many of the viruses in the series take the form of rot, fungus, and insects. Hence why they have it lol. Its funny in the VS sense, but it context it is basically just metaphoric imagery for decay induced on a system or person
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>12-D fungus manip
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Dont forget Enlil has High 1-B Weather Manip in his base form lol
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I/O is gonna be one hell of a meme farm
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Because the spot is taken by the one with the best W/L ratio in the tierIapitus The Impaler said:
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Probably something like Warp StormsWokistan said:
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Well, it's a metaphor. He uses viruses that are represented and that take the form of massive storms and floods that ripped apart the infinite dimensional Babylon down to one layer, and fatally wounded Marduk with it. It's the same thing with Dies Irae having 1-A String Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, or Electricity Manipulation. Its mostly metaphorical, and is used as a device to make it more interesting then just saying "and then Enlil hacked Babylon and released a virus that reduced it to one layer. Also it made that computer get ded."
Oh, and also it wanted a parallel to mesopotamian mythology's great flood
Oh, and also it wanted a parallel to mesopotamian mythology's great flood
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Yeah lol. I mean Matt thought I was spewing bullshit when I mentioned it the first time lol. At least the author did what he wanted, which was to make what is basically information interacting with information more interesting lolHl3 or bust said:
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