• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki

Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1).
Click to expand...
Hellfilth's reality nuke is based on collapsing spacetime so BDE 1 is a perfect counter to this

Also why would Hellfilth's reality nuke work on Chaos NEP 2 in the first place? Assuming speed is not part of this convo
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
NEP like everything else is tied to their dimensions (I lost the link lul :'v)
Click to expand...
Not if said NEP is also on Aspect 5: Space-time, or if the character has BDE1.
Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Information Particles transcend Space and Time, and are unaffected by space and time in any way, which extends to them being able to resist time stop)
Click to expand...
Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 [Other: Space, Time, Life, Death, Causality & Law] - Yap)
Click to expand...
Source

So slime should be above DMC

Tony_di_bugalu said:
idk, I haven't seen anything about BDE letting you survive cosmology nuke or even talk about which is weird, besides it will run into the same problem as NEP of needing feats of acting after getting your reality nuked
Click to expand...
  1. Why would we even assume he can can cosmology nuke tensura if they can't interact with info particles (information)? Like, info particles make up reality at the core, if you can't destroy or interact with that, you ain't nuking anything.
  2. The post you linked from DT talks about how a 3D being can't survive a cosmology nuke since they won't have anywhere to move in or take acti, effectively "incapacitating" them. And that is correct, but that doesn't work on BDE1 since BDE1 is literally about lacking space-time and dimensions?
Beyond-Dimensional Existence is the state of existing beyond dimensions. In the majority of cases, this will be referring to characters who are timeless and spaceless. That is to say: A "beyond-dimensional" character does not take up any volume whatsoever, nor does it occupy a position in spacetime, nor does its continued existence trace a path through it. They are, as such, much different from 0-dimensional characters, who simply have no extension in any dimension and still occupy spatial location.

Furthermore, while dimensional structures are always material composites, which can be divided into different parts and be expressed as the sum of these parts, undimensioned characters have no parts whatsoever, not being composite beings in any physical sense. Indeed, although a 0-dimensional point has no spatial parts which it can be divided into, even it can still serve as a part of a larger spatial composite, whereas undimensioned beings cannot. BDE page
Click to expand...

So they can still very much act.
Plus DMC cannot nuke the Cosmology for another reason; Underworld, which itself is NEP on all the aspects listed above so....

Well, if it still wasn't clear enough, we can always make a thread ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯
 
Robo432343 said:
Doesn't Tensura have the same thing?

Information in Tensura are superior to type 1 concepts
Souls in DMC are superior to type 1 concepts
both verses have equal superiority over concepts except Tensura has both info 2 and cm 1 so Tensura information can nuke the soul
Also DMC can't interact with Tensura characters because of abstract existence (info type 2)
Click to expand...
Yeah but here's the kicker; DMC still holds superiority in CM so their haxs will effect regardless what Tensure have especially with all those layers out there. Meanwhile, Tensura also have superiority in regards to info manip on equal scale so it's anybody's game, really
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Anyways, Hellfilth will probably end up with immeasurable speed too and only PoC characters scale to him/her/it anyways.

Regular DMC can only keep up because layers but with immeasurable speed hellfilth just dodges the passives and ***** off and only Dante has feats of surviving reality nuke.

If anything Hellfilth will be above both GoW and DMC if/when the thing gets updated.
Click to expand...
I'm actually gonna murder you for this someday
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Not if said NEP is also on Aspect 5: Space-time, or if the character has BDE1.
Click to expand...
I thought you were going to give me the thread that talks about it lol

The NEP page is clear, if reality is nuked they are effectively "defeated" unless they have feats of still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.

Astral_Trinity439 said:
  1. Why would we even assume he can can cosmology nuke tensura if they can't interact with info particles (information)? Like, info particles make up reality at the core, if you can't destroy or interact with that, you ain't nuking anything.
  2. The post you linked from DT talks about how a 3D being can't survive a cosmology nuke since they won't have anywhere to move in or take acti, effectively "incapacitating" them. And that is correct, but that doesn't work on BDE1 since BDE1 is literally about lacking space-time and dimensions?
Click to expand...
Because you are destroying the whole thing. That's how Aliex-X got away with having history, info2, concept and other stuff for being able to nuke reality. Destroy reality and all in it goes too. It doesn't give you individual abilities obviously.

As for BDE, idk I haven't looked at any thread that talks about it. I would assume it is under the same rules as NEP of necessitating something to "display" some existing property or feats.

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Plus DMC cannot nuke the Cosmology for another reason; Underworld, which itself is NEP on all the aspects listed above so....
Click to expand...
eehhh 50/50 here, dunno what would happen

It still doesn't help that Hellfilth is an infinite amount of L1C universes away

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Well, if it still wasn't clear enough, we can always make a thread ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯
Click to expand...
I mean sure why not
 
Robo432343 said:
🗿
How? Both verses have superiority over CM
DMC soul > type 1 concept
Tensura information > type 1 concept
Click to expand...
Well, it doesn't automatically mean DMC's concept and Tensura's information scale to each other. Atleast, that's what understood from this page hence we have to give both aspects the benefit of the doubt here.
 
GoW doesn't have information being superior to type 1 concepts but Tensura does + also having cm 1 in the verse that's the difference
 
Robo432343 said:
GoW doesn't have information being superior to type 1 concepts but Tensura does + also having cm 1 in the verse that's the difference
Click to expand...
That CM1 means nothing if it is below the specified information unless the concept in question scales to information themselves apparently
 
SuperSonicTL said:
That CM1 means nothing if it is below the specified information unless the concept in question scales to information themselves apparently
Click to expand...
Again, it is a topic that depends on interpretation and not something that have definitive answer to it. Even assume having CM1 on the same scale as DMC's souls themselves, you have to deal with the layers too on top of it so information is really your only bread and butter here
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
I thought you were going to give me the thread that talks about it lol

The NEP page is clear, if reality is nuked they are effectively "defeated" unless they have feats of still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.


Because you are destroying the whole thing. That's how Aliex-X got away with having history, info2, concept and other stuff for being able to nuke reality. Destroy reality and all in it goes too. It doesn't give you individual abilities obviously.

As for BDE, idk I haven't looked at any thread that talks about it. I would assume it is under the same rules as NEP of necessitating something to "display" some existing property or feats.


eehhh 50/50 here, dunno what would happen

It still doesn't help that Hellfilth is an infinite amount of L1C universes away


I mean sure why not
Click to expand...
Plane of existence as mentioned on the Nonexistent Physiology page isn't just conventional space-time, else any powerful enough character can just ignore NEP entirely.

You very much have to actually address why Helfilth can affect Chaos or Tensura and not just hide behind that one line.
 
Planck69 said:
Plane of existence as mentioned on the Nonexistent Physiology page isn't just conventional space-time, else any powerful enough character can just ignore NEP entirely.

You very much have to actually address why Helfilth can affect Chaos or Tensura and not just hide behind that one line.
Click to expand...
I think nuking dimension here implies "Nonexistence in 4-D isn't Nonexistence in 5-D hence nuking 5 Dimensional space would be enough for killing NEP from 4th Existence.

But well even if so I guess it literally won't work since Chaos and Tensura characters are 5-D kinda meaning their NEP from 5-D. So I don't see how nuking 5-Dimensional Reality would affect GoW and Tensura characters ceasing to exist. But idk what DT clearly meant here since he didn't respond to if exactly Dimensionless NEP (Which can imply Space Time aspect as well as BDE 1 since same bs) counters nuking reality. So I guess it would be better to clarify that if nuking reality gets countered by lacking space time
 
Sigh... The entire point of non-existence is to ignore existence entirely. Space-time is an extension of existence so in that sense destroying it shouldn't achieve anything whatsoever. Especially those with BDE shouldn't even care about it
 
Ugh, if people are gonna reference shit I say please just quote me so I can actually respond to correct any potential misunderstandings

I'm not reading through/quoting all that

The way that a cosmology nuke works to incapacitate a character is under the assumption that the character then can no longer act due to the resulting reality lacking one or more features that would allow them to take actions the resulting void, from the basic lack of space-time to the more esoteric lack of various metaphysical aspects, what it doesn't mean is that said cosmology nuke extends to features of reality that the verse itself doesn't have from beforehand, even moreso when said features "underlie" the reality being nuked in question.

Having BDE is an easy way to be able to act in cosmology nuke situations if and only if the nuke is just spatiotemporal or what have you, given you as a character already lack spatiotemporal features and thus being able to act without them is pretty easy, that doesn't extent to if the destruction of anything beyond space-time, but it's a good basis (and is still required beyond just having a feat of such)

Hellfith's destruction of reality isn't enough to bypass the existence of Tensura characters being informational and whatnot, we only assume what goes is what the verse already has (and in any case I'm wondering why they haven't just submitted god to the list to shut this debate down given the NEP 2)
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Sigh... The entire point of non-existence is to ignore existence entirely. Space-time is an extension of existence so in that sense destroying it shouldn't achieve anything whatsoever. Especially those with BDE shouldn't even care about it
Click to expand...
Being nonexistent doesn't actually make you independent of space-time, you still have to interact with people through reality/space-time to do things surprisingly or not,

BDE does, however, do the job
 
Robo432343 said:
Doesn't Tensura have the same thing?

Information in Tensura are superior to type 1 concepts
Souls in DMC are superior to type 1 concepts
both verses have equal superiority over concepts except Tensura has both info 2 and cm 1 so Tensura information can nuke the soul
Also DMC can't interact with Tensura characters because of abstract existence (info type 2)
Click to expand...
Lol no. It would just be Tensura characters unable to interact with DMC Souls and DMC characters not being able to interact with Info 2 of Tensura.
So just incon.

But DMC characters can still AoE BFR, Power Null, Seal etc.
 
Should I bring up that there's a Type 1 concept superior to a Type 1 concept on a fundamental level in Tensura too?
 
DMC and Tensura fans?
vsbattles.com

Demon Lords May Cry (Dante vs Rimuru ! 2 - 11 - 2)

Will Dante avenge his fallen brethen Kratos after his defeat at the Hands of the Ruler of Monsters ? Or will another Hybrid Fall !? Rules : 1. Speed Equalised 2. Distance : 500 Metres 3. Location : Red Grave City 4. Both Low 1C (DMC 5 Dante and Digital Lifeform Rimuru is used) Funny Woohoo...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Last edited:
To whoever is responsible for Greeza's profile
Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Types 1 and 3; Aspect Types 1, 3 and 5) (Greeza is massless and has no energy of any sorts. Its very presence reduces space-time energy down to 0, a universal impossibility. Greeza is nothingness, void itself. The physical form it appears in is its own paradoxical existence which lacks any form of information forcing those around to perceive it, and as such, is not actually present where it may manifest. This prevents it from being analyzed by any sort of technology and also renders conventional attacks useless. Tregear, whose powers allows him to tamper with the biological functions of living creatures, as well as affect the minds and souls of individuals, states that even he could not do anything to Greeza.)
Click to expand...
His AE should be changed to 1 and aspect type 2 added to his NEP
 
Also, I never really understood what's up with "What a beautiful series" people at spot 1

Their profiles say they have BDE2
How are they not Low 1-A or smurfs?
 
I've mentioned this before, if the profiles are so outdated they legit have type 2 BDE they shouldn't even be added because who knows what else is outdated (also someone should seriously make a CRT to fix that)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Gamin_Yoon23
Strongest 6D Characters on the Wiki
4 5 6
Replies
238
Views
16K
IReallyLoveRilysse
IReallyLoveRilysse
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
Strongest 4-D Characters on the Wiki
7 8 9
Replies
342
Views
47K
EL_xWatcher1234x
EL_xWatcher1234x
Spinoirr
Okay, is there ANY 8-D characters on this wiki
Replies
3
Views
535
Lycoris4812
Lycoris4812
Hecky2222
Strongest Planets in Fiction
2 3
Replies
112
Views
6K
WeeklyBattles
WeeklyBattles
Dark_Soul20189
Strongest weapons on the wiki.
Replies
34
Views
4K
AlipheeseXIV
AlipheeseXIV
Back
Top