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Strongest Low 1-C Characters on the Wiki

Hey guys, would like to hear your thoughts on this Q&A thread
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Questions about Metaphysical abilities that are contingent on reality.

Dependent Concepts: Such concepts are abstract and govern all reality within their area of influence. These concepts shape everything, and changing them would either require the alteration of every object of the concept or, if manipulated directly, change all objects of the concept alongside the...
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Tensura should be on same spot with GoW and DMC now, pretty sure GoW bros have more layers, DMC kinda lacks information as well NEP 2 + NEP Info interaction to beat some of them.
 
Hecky2222 said:
Tensura should be on same spot with GoW and DMC now, pretty sure GoW bros have more layers, DMC kinda lacks information as well NEP 2 + NEP Info interaction to beat some of them.
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Info is countered by layered conceptual existence so that's not a factor iirc
 
Idk what was Argument against Info from dmc bros here. But assuming DMC has resistance to CM1 45 layers(Ig you meant this by layered existence?) They can pretty much resist 7-8 layers of CM1 from Tensura characters but well information from Tensura capable affecting Concepts so it is basically getting info diffed.

Now pull some wank for info T2 in future CRTs
 
How long before someone again tries Anos vs Rimuru, you know someone will do it for the 13th time...

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Hecky2222 said:
Imagine trying to argue against Logic Hax
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I mean even if Rimuru or any character wins against Anos, Anos can just lol nope and change the Logic such that losing is winning.
He can actually be No.1 even by losing Logically.

Logic Hax ftw bozos.
 
Hecky2222 said:
Tensura should be on same spot with GoW and DMC now, pretty sure GoW bros have more layers, DMC kinda lacks information as well NEP 2 + NEP Info interaction to beat some of them.
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I mean, they can't really do anything about Chaos. DMC has more layers than GoW tho.
 
Planck69 said:
I mean, they can't really do anything about Chaos. DMC has more layers than GoW tho.
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My core argument is GoW having information. Dmc has more layers for CM1 aspect true. But GoW info can interact with CM1 which DMC bros can't resist(Basically they can't resist information effect). With same arguments and reason I am putting Tensura above dmc.

Idk how Tensura and GoW verse would go since GoW has more layers but both verse has NEP 2
 
Hecky2222 said:
My core argument is GoW having information. Dmc has more layers for CM1 aspect true. But GoW info can interact with CM1 which DMC bros can't resist(Basically they can't resist information effect). With same arguments and reason I am putting Tensura above dmc.
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We had this discussion a couple of pages back.
 
Hecky2222 said:
My core argument is GoW having information. Dmc has more layers for CM1 aspect true. But GoW info can interact with CM1 which DMC bros can't resist(Basically they can't resist information effect). With same arguments and reason I am putting Tensura above dmc.

Idk how Tensura and GoW verse would go since GoW has more layers but both verse has NEP 2
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DMC has a ton of passive stuff. If tensura chars can survive getting hit with all that and act as pure info then sure getting info diffed may be possible altought idk how over 40 layers of concept shit will interact with info > concept stuff

If they get past that then there is this little shit that has a ton of layers too but the first thing it does is to **** off to an infinite amount of universes away and nuke your reality from there. Can tensura survive chars getting their whole multiverse nuked?
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
DMC has a ton of passive stuff. If tensura chars can survive getting hit with all that and act as pure info then sure getting info diffed may be possible altought idk how over 40 layers of concept shit will interact with info > concept stuff

If they get past that then there is this little shit that has a ton of layers too but the first thing it does is to **** off to an infinite amount of universes away and nuke your reality from there. Can tensura survive chars getting their whole multiverse nuked?
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pretty sure multiverse nuking in dmc doesn't evolve nuking NEP information, AE for Information, NEP 2
 
Doesn't Tensura have the same thing?
Information (Type 2; Spiritual Lifeforms can abandoned their physical bodies and exist only as pure souls; Information particle and information are the fundamental aspect of Tensura and all things such as Mind, Soul, and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it
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Information in Tensura are superior to type 1 concepts
Souls in DMC are superior to type 1 concepts
both verses have equal superiority over concepts except Tensura has both info 2 and cm 1 so Tensura information can nuke the soul
Also DMC can't interact with Tensura characters because of abstract existence (info type 2)
 
Hecky2222 said:
pretty sure multiverse nuking in dmc doesn't evolve nuking NEP information, AE for Information, NEP 2
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Nuking reality is nuking reality. Unless they got feats of surviving that shit they ain't making it out.

Lemme look for the threads that talk about it.
 
You need feats of being able to do stuff after having your reality nuked

Nuking your plane of reality means you are defeated (obviously counts for type 2 given what the thread is about)

NEP like everything else is tied to their dimensions (I lost the link lul :'v)

Robo432343 said:
Information particles have BDE type 1 so reality nuke probably won't affect them
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idk, I haven't seen anything about BDE letting you survive cosmology nuke or even talk about which is weird, besides it will run into the same problem as NEP of needing feats of acting after getting your reality nuked

Robo432343 said:
Because DMC cosmology nuke is not working on Chaos

Also Hellfilth's cosmology nuke is weird coz you can see regular humans like Lady survive it
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No? It was because Chaos is was faster than Hellfilth and thus would get hit with hax before Hellfilth ****** off to another reality, like we talked about it around 8 pages ago

Hecky2222 said:
Why tf we are not putting DMC above GoW if this case?
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DMC had MFTL+ at that point. They were getting blitzed by GoW.
 
Anyways, Hellfilth will probably end up with immeasurable speed too and only PoC characters scale to him/her/it anyways.

Regular DMC can only keep up because layers but with immeasurable speed hellfilth just dodges the passives and ***** off and only Dante has feats of surviving reality nuke.

If anything Hellfilth will be above both GoW and DMC if/when the thing gets updated.
 
Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1).
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Hellfilth's reality nuke is based on collapsing spacetime so BDE 1 is a perfect counter to this

Also why would Hellfilth's reality nuke work on Chaos NEP 2 in the first place? Assuming speed is not part of this convo
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
NEP like everything else is tied to their dimensions (I lost the link lul :'v)
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Not if said NEP is also on Aspect 5: Space-time, or if the character has BDE1.
Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Information Particles transcend Space and Time, and are unaffected by space and time in any way, which extends to them being able to resist time stop)
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Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 [Other: Space, Time, Life, Death, Causality & Law] - Yap)
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Source

So slime should be above DMC

Tony_di_bugalu said:
idk, I haven't seen anything about BDE letting you survive cosmology nuke or even talk about which is weird, besides it will run into the same problem as NEP of needing feats of acting after getting your reality nuked
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  1. Why would we even assume he can can cosmology nuke tensura if they can't interact with info particles (information)? Like, info particles make up reality at the core, if you can't destroy or interact with that, you ain't nuking anything.
  2. The post you linked from DT talks about how a 3D being can't survive a cosmology nuke since they won't have anywhere to move in or take acti, effectively "incapacitating" them. And that is correct, but that doesn't work on BDE1 since BDE1 is literally about lacking space-time and dimensions?
Beyond-Dimensional Existence is the state of existing beyond dimensions. In the majority of cases, this will be referring to characters who are timeless and spaceless. That is to say: A "beyond-dimensional" character does not take up any volume whatsoever, nor does it occupy a position in spacetime, nor does its continued existence trace a path through it. They are, as such, much different from 0-dimensional characters, who simply have no extension in any dimension and still occupy spatial location.

Furthermore, while dimensional structures are always material composites, which can be divided into different parts and be expressed as the sum of these parts, undimensioned characters have no parts whatsoever, not being composite beings in any physical sense. Indeed, although a 0-dimensional point has no spatial parts which it can be divided into, even it can still serve as a part of a larger spatial composite, whereas undimensioned beings cannot. BDE page
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So they can still very much act.
Plus DMC cannot nuke the Cosmology for another reason; Underworld, which itself is NEP on all the aspects listed above so....

Well, if it still wasn't clear enough, we can always make a thread ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯
 
Robo432343 said:
Doesn't Tensura have the same thing?

Information in Tensura are superior to type 1 concepts
Souls in DMC are superior to type 1 concepts
both verses have equal superiority over concepts except Tensura has both info 2 and cm 1 so Tensura information can nuke the soul
Also DMC can't interact with Tensura characters because of abstract existence (info type 2)
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Yeah but here's the kicker; DMC still holds superiority in CM so their haxs will effect regardless what Tensure have especially with all those layers out there. Meanwhile, Tensura also have superiority in regards to info manip on equal scale so it's anybody's game, really
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Anyways, Hellfilth will probably end up with immeasurable speed too and only PoC characters scale to him/her/it anyways.

Regular DMC can only keep up because layers but with immeasurable speed hellfilth just dodges the passives and ***** off and only Dante has feats of surviving reality nuke.

If anything Hellfilth will be above both GoW and DMC if/when the thing gets updated.
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I'm actually gonna murder you for this someday
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Not if said NEP is also on Aspect 5: Space-time, or if the character has BDE1.
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I thought you were going to give me the thread that talks about it lol

The NEP page is clear, if reality is nuked they are effectively "defeated" unless they have feats of still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.

Astral_Trinity439 said:
  1. Why would we even assume he can can cosmology nuke tensura if they can't interact with info particles (information)? Like, info particles make up reality at the core, if you can't destroy or interact with that, you ain't nuking anything.
  2. The post you linked from DT talks about how a 3D being can't survive a cosmology nuke since they won't have anywhere to move in or take acti, effectively "incapacitating" them. And that is correct, but that doesn't work on BDE1 since BDE1 is literally about lacking space-time and dimensions?
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Because you are destroying the whole thing. That's how Aliex-X got away with having history, info2, concept and other stuff for being able to nuke reality. Destroy reality and all in it goes too. It doesn't give you individual abilities obviously.

As for BDE, idk I haven't looked at any thread that talks about it. I would assume it is under the same rules as NEP of necessitating something to "display" some existing property or feats.

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Plus DMC cannot nuke the Cosmology for another reason; Underworld, which itself is NEP on all the aspects listed above so....
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eehhh 50/50 here, dunno what would happen

It still doesn't help that Hellfilth is an infinite amount of L1C universes away

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Well, if it still wasn't clear enough, we can always make a thread ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯
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I mean sure why not
 
Robo432343 said:
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How? Both verses have superiority over CM
DMC soul > type 1 concept
Tensura information > type 1 concept
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Well, it doesn't automatically mean DMC's concept and Tensura's information scale to each other. Atleast, that's what understood from this page hence we have to give both aspects the benefit of the doubt here.
 
GoW doesn't have information being superior to type 1 concepts but Tensura does + also having cm 1 in the verse that's the difference
 
Robo432343 said:
GoW doesn't have information being superior to type 1 concepts but Tensura does + also having cm 1 in the verse that's the difference
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That CM1 means nothing if it is below the specified information unless the concept in question scales to information themselves apparently
 
SuperSonicTL said:
That CM1 means nothing if it is below the specified information unless the concept in question scales to information themselves apparently
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Again, it is a topic that depends on interpretation and not something that have definitive answer to it. Even assume having CM1 on the same scale as DMC's souls themselves, you have to deal with the layers too on top of it so information is really your only bread and butter here
 
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