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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki

shouldn't wizard101 characters share a spot with gow and dmc because of their immeasurable speed
 
Kiana should prolly be removed cus H1C now. The key thats still low 1-C is getting nuked and even now its not that haxrd out so yh
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
nah that one is staying, the void should predate all of that


did chaos get nonexistent erasure or something? Can chaos even interact with agrosex to begin with?
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Unless he's Type 2, yes. Of course, if he lacks all aspects + space-time/history then its incon.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
did chaos get nonexistent erasure or something?

Can chaos interact with other nonexistent stuff?
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By default, we assume they can interact with those of a similar nature as themselves (and she can control her own void after all). My point is that if there's some aspect of Argosax that exists but doesn't for Chaos, then that's getting erased. If not then it's Incon.
 
Planck69 said:
By default, we assume they can interact with those of a similar nature as themselves (and she can control her own void after all). My point is that if there's some aspect of Argosax that exists but doesn't for Chaos, then that's getting erased. If not then it's Incon.
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We do? Thats new to me

I see. Well, what exactly is gonna do to argosax once that his info is erased? it's not like he can't exist as a paradoxical ass NEP (which is what he has)

In fact, how does that work? Are we about to have another one of these? Cuz I'm down to have a dumb ass debate over what happens
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
We do? Thats new to me

I see. Well, what exactly is gonna do to argosax once that his info is erased? it's not like he can't exist as a paradoxical ass NEP (which is what he has)

In fact, how does that work? Are we about to have another one of these? Cuz I'm down to have a dumb ass debate over what happens
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Type 3 doesn't mean getting an aspect erased means your fine, it's more to do with how your existence behaves against others interacting with it.

Going by the page, if Argosax has no other aspect left after losing info then even if not dead he functionally can't act at all, unless he was Type 2.

Setting aside that I really don't want to have a 10 page spat lmfao, that match doesn't quite work like here, cause Kratos still had several aspects left even if he did get Info EEd. To my knowledge, Argo will have nothing left after losing info cause he's nonexistent in every other aspect.
 
Planck69 said:
Type 3 doesn't mean getting an aspect erased means your fine, it's more to do with how your existence behaves against others interacting with it.
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I don't think you understood, my question is, argosax already has nonexistence so how would erasing his information make it so that he can't act? would it make him double nonexistent? how can it incap if all the things needed for his existence are already gone?
Planck69 said:
Going by the page, if Argosax has no other aspect left after losing info then even if not dead he functionally can't act at all, unless he was Type 2.
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why exactly? how does that render him unable to take any action? or since we give NPI how does erasing his information prevent him from attacking chaos?
Planck69 said:
Setting aside that I really don't want to have a 10 page spat lmfao, that match doesn't quite work like here, cause Kratos still had several aspects left even if he did get Info EEd. To my knowledge, Argo will have nothing left after losing info cause he's nonexistent in every other aspect.
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nah we are doing this

going by this logic of "erasing something else and they are completely dead" then what about characters that have all aspects? are they effectively dead in any versus match too? Chaos has all aspects right? does this mean Chaos is dead in this match?

also from the tons of threads and characters that are in the wiki, we definitely give stuff like nonexistent erasure for those that can erase nonexistent characters or places which chaos lacks


edit: I did some more research and from what I could the whole idea of "erasing existing aspects that the NEP character has" comes from the premise of "when are they actually dead?" and thus this was created as some stupid kind of weakness for NEP in general in order to "kill them", this being a wiki made weakness instead of a verse-to-verse thing. Honestly just adding nonexistent erasure to EE would have been the better option, dozens of profiles already have that as they kill, erase or destroy nonexistent characters.

My questions don't change much, why erasing something that wasn't relevant for X existence/nonexistence would render them unable to act? How does that prevent them from doing what they were doing if they are already not existent? And what happens with characters that have all aspects? Are they dead in any and all matches? According to DT not even NEP 2 is safe from this.
 
so does argosax/mundus get info 2 ee'd 🗿

maybe they have some weird passive ability that can make it incon
 
Depend on how Chaos EE work, idk about the verse so should ask Planck or KLOL, from what i could see in the justification, based on words alone it seems that everything return to Chaos after the World Pillar is destroyed, seems like conditioned EE from my perspective, but that is just me

Though Argosax definitely will get Info 2 haxed
 
Vietthai96 said:
Depend on how Chaos EE work, idk about the verse so should ask Planck or KLOL, from what i could see in the justification, based on words alone it seems that everything return to Chaos after the World Pillar is destroyed, seems like conditioned EE from my perspective, but that is just me

Though Argosax definitely will get Info 2 haxed
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Chaos's void does that innately. The Pillar is the reason all of reality isn't instantly poof. Its not dependent on the Pillar, the Pillar is basically why the Greek World still well, exists.
 
Vietthai96 said:
No, simply predate reality doesn't mean you can includes things that not show in it, like info 2, this is NLF
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you know what i wont argue against this shit anymore

Robo432343 said:
so does argosax/mundus get info 2 ee'd 🗿

maybe they have some weird passive ability that can make it incon
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regular mundus and literally everyone else will be just fine, chaos can't nuke their souls

Vietthai96 said:
Though Argosax definitely will get Info 2 haxed
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And then what? I literally made questions above on how do we treat this
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
And then what? I literally made questions above on how do we treat this
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1. We literally had a thread about this and it was widely accepted that you are not going to regen from that kind of thing without feat, if DontTalk want to overturn it, he need to make a thread

2. Even if i was going with his logic, Mundus still get incapped from constant passive EE coming from Chaos, Mundus will getting destroyed over and over, and incap = win, unless Chaos passive is a one or two times thing only
 
I am interested if Chaos hax powerful enough to erase or destroying Yggdrasil. But i think its possible, Considering kratos empowering surtr with chaos primordial flame and surtr able to cut the branch of Yggdrasil itself.
 
Robo432343 said:
it sounded like you said only runic magic is im2 but magic as a whole is im2, not just runic magic
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I haven't said anywhere that IM2 is limited to runic magic. I have only explained that it changes nothing, in GoW IM2/Runes emulate the effects of CM1 aspect of the Magic.
Basically the target and the output is the exact same for CM1 and IM2(for GoW Magic) only the means of achieving it is different.
Instead of affecting the Concept itself take the extra step of manipulating the info/runes to achieve change in concept.
Hence, why it changes nothing. Both CM1 and IM2 are in the same level Metaphysically. So resisting CM1 helps you to resist an indirect CM1 through IM2.

Read the Metaphysical Aspects page for more.

Metaphysical Equalization​

As we can not list every possible kind of metaphysical aspect that may appear in fiction, not listed things like names, Dao, essence or ether are usually sorted into the existing abilities by judging what seems most similar to the ability even if it is not an exact equivalence. At the same time different fictions at times call very similar ideas by different names, such that what is called concept in one fiction might end up being almost the same as what is called information in another.

As such it is at times reasonable to not hang on to the rigid classifications of our power and ability pages in vs-debates and allow for a more case-by-case comparison.
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EDIT: This isn't limited to CM and IM, it can even be for other cases such as Logic Manip and Causality Manip or Causality Manip and Fate Manip or History, Plot or IM etc. Anything is possible and we should generally look cases by case instead of just going by labels or what it is indexed as.
 
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