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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki

Robo432343 said:
imo verses like GoW, VHD, Wizard101, MCU etc are verses that are genuinely 5-D, they don't need to rely on this hypertimeline thing that we made up recently
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VHD and W101 were and still are tier 1 before the hypertimeline stuff lol, and the MCU is one of the most flagrant hypertimeline abusers I've ever seen (watching someone argue that a character had time travel that worked on an acasual type 2 character was wild)
 
Robo432343 said:
Talked to a dude offsite and apparently op is misinterpreting this hyper timeline thing
I remember a hyper timeline change was proposed last year and it got rejected pretty hard
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OP didn't even understand the basic premise of it. The thread ain't going anywhere, nothing ever happens.
 
Planck69 said:
All of the tiering system is made up. Singling out hypertimelines is dumb when every tier past High 1-C is nonsense.
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How is it high 1-C thats the stopping point for you? Infinite-dimensional spaces are a known quantity in physics/math
There are, like, three lines of thought for where tiers end up becoming nonsense
A)Everything after High 1-B is nonsense because we shift gears into math for (seemingly) no reason, and 1-A is 1-A (And is based on being transcendant of everything below, no matter how much what we define that as changes) (Dimensional)
B)Everything after high 3-A/Low 2-C is nonsense because infinite energy is the cap no matter how many dimensions (and also SoL stuff) (Physical)
C)Everything after 11-C is nonsense because after 0D, all of tiering up to 1-B is of equal cardinality that only changes at high 1-B (Cardinal)
 
Deonment said:
How is it high 1-C thats the stopping point for you? Infinite-dimensional spaces are a known quantity in physics/math
There are, like, three lines of thought for where tiers end up becoming nonsense
A)Everything after High 1-B is nonsense because we shift gears into math for (seemingly) no reason, and 1-A is 1-A (And is based on being transcendant of everything below, no matter how much what we define that as changes) (Dimensional)
B)Everything after high 3-A/Low 2-C is nonsense because infinite energy is the cap no matter how many dimensions (and also SoL stuff) (Physical)
C)Everything after 11-C is nonsense because after 0D, all of tiering up to 1-B is of equal cardinality that only changes at high 1-B (Cardinal)
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**** it. If you can't describe a tier by just adding buster to the end of what it can destroy, it's fake.
 
Robo432343 said:
the reason dbh characters are so high (excluding arale) is because they apparently have some sort of passive info 2 erasure nuke thing but it turns out info 2 is not all that special to have
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It shouldn't be. Honestly, I've half a mind to fix that.
 
Robo432343 said:
The reason dbh characters are so high (excluding arale) is because they apparently have some sort of passive info 2 erasure nuke thing but it turns out info 2 is not all that special to have. Is there an actual scan of someone from DBH passively info 2 erasing someone??
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Not all that special under what circumstances?
 
Robo432343 said:
The reason dbh characters are so high (excluding arale) is because they apparently have some sort of passive info 2 erasure nuke thing but it turns out info 2 is not all that special to have. Is there an actual scan of someone from DBH passively info 2 erasing someone??
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I mean, ig?
Universe Tree is the reason the passive EE stuff exists rn, and it has an aura that (apparently) erases people, and it could erase Time in a weaker key, so it's just upscaling its EE from there (and also crosscaling its EE to Heroes Hakai EE)
 
Robo432343 said:
The reason dbh characters are so high (excluding arale) is because they apparently have some sort of passive info 2 erasure nuke thing but it turns out info 2 is not all that special to have. Is there an actual scan of someone from DBH passively info 2 erasing someone??
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???, the passive is literally just the energy ability that contain it effect, if you interacted with the energy, then you get affected, and the passive is just because in that form the character already have their aura on. You are acting like every character have passive

Robo432343 said:
It's being argued that concept hax > info 2 and that info 2 is useless if you cant interact with concepts but luckily dbh already has cm 1
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?. Who argue that?, it have been established that they are incompatible and can't be compared

Deonment said:
I mean, ig?
Universe Tree is the reason the passive EE stuff exists rn, and it has an aura that (apparently) erases people, and it could erase Time in a weaker key, so it's just upscaling its EE from there (and also crosscaling its EE to Heroes Hakai EE)
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Universe Seed have EE and the Tree absorbed Hakai, from Beerus anyway, and Time Power from absorbing Tokitoki so its aura that can erase people will have these powers in it
 
Robo432343 said:
We gotta talk about this layer issue that's been going on recently. Some people are saying you must make a CRT to apply layers but other people are saying you don't have to because its already been evaluated in the hax layer thread by 1 mod

also undertale characters cant interact with CM 1 abstract existence so they should go down to 11th place
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I'm pretty sure the evaluation threads are special circumstance and bypass the need for CRTs but 1 mod probably is not be enough honestly even for those threads
 
Vietthai96 said:
and Time Power from absorbing Tokitoki so its aura that can erase people will have these powers in it
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I just looked at the Time Power passive EE scan, and like, are we deadass?
No shot is that actually combat applicable, this is on the same tier as people saying the BTD super monkey had passive death hax because its ascension to sun temple would sac every ally in its range. Is there like, anything that points towards this being something that affects their enemies rather than it just being an "look at this guy, they are super strong"? Does it affect enemies in the fight? Does it actually exist as a mechanic in the fight itself rather than a one and done showing? Genuinely, how did this get accepted?
Vietthai96 said:
???, the passive is literally just the energy ability that contain it effect, if you interacted with the energy, then you get affected, and the passive is just because in that form the character already have their aura on. You are acting like every character have passive
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I mean for Hakai sure (we see that in super pretty blatantly, but also I doubt the aura applying the EE to living things tbqh), but for time power your own scans regarding special ki aura contradict that idea, at least that the EE part is attached to the aura, and even if it applied, they're DB characters, they aren't flaring their aura to reach 4km distances off rip, if to anything beyond the vicitinty around their body at all (without being pressed and needing to go through 500 powerups, but considering we're using their strongest keys that wouldn't apply), and considering most of these fights are hax fights, the passives really aren't going to come up
 
Deonment said:
I just looked at the Time Power passive EE scan, and like, are we deadass?
No shot is that actually combat applicable, this is on the same tier as people saying the BTD super monkey had passive death hax because its ascension to sun temple would sac every ally in its range. Is there like, anything that points towards this being something that affects their enemies rather than it just being an "look at this guy, they are super strong"? Does it affect enemies in the fight? Does it actually exist as a mechanic in the fight itself rather than a one and done showing? Genuinely, how did this get accepted?
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Actually it is mentioned to be both passive and active not every t.p user can passively use it also that is not a game mechanic but a scripted cutscene,the passive ee of CC Goku and fu is from Universe tree aura which is capable of erasure,it is not from solely time power ,the u.t aura is what that has t.p in it and is passive and also includes power of destruction
 
Deonment said:
I just looked at the Time Power passive EE scan, and like, are we deadass?
No shot is that actually combat applicable, this is on the same tier as people saying the BTD super monkey had passive death hax because its ascension to sun temple would sac every ally in its range. Is there like, anything that points towards this being something that affects their enemies rather than it just being an "look at this guy, they are super strong"? Does it affect enemies in the fight? Does it actually exist as a mechanic in the fight itself rather than a one and done showing? Genuinely, how did this get accepted?
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As killerdrone mentions, their seems to be two aspects in regards to time power’s function. A passive functioning system and an active functioning system, from the looks of it those with proficiency in time power are able to wield this specific function of time power passively. That function being obviously, existence erasure and that very same existence erasure being passive. Demigra who resides from the Xenoverse multiverse is clearly unable to utilise this form of passive erasure. If my knowledge isn’t lagging behind I don’t think Demigra even uses passives.

I don’t think your analogy or brief example works here in the slightest since it’s not as much to do status of strength or even sheer strength rather, it’s an ability that clearly has some extrapolation, lime of light and several references within the time power page. It can’t be an one and done showing if there’s clearly a multitude of evidence supporting that as per the TP page.
 
Deonment said:
I just looked at the Time Power passive EE scan, and like, are we deadass?
No shot is that actually combat applicable, this is on the same tier as people saying the BTD super monkey had passive death hax because its ascension to sun temple would sac every ally in its range. Is there like, anything that points towards this being something that affects their enemies rather than it just being an "look at this guy, they are super strong"? Does it affect enemies in the fight? Does it actually exist as a mechanic in the fight itself rather than a one and done showing? Genuinely, how did this get accepted?

I mean for Hakai sure (we see that in super pretty blatantly, but also I doubt the aura applying the EE to living things tbqh), but for time power your own scans regarding special ki aura contradict that idea, at least that the EE part is attached to the aura, and even if it applied, they're DB characters, they aren't flaring their aura to reach 4km distances off rip, if to anything beyond the vicitinty around their body at all (without being pressed and needing to go through 500 powerups, but considering we're using their strongest keys that wouldn't apply), and considering most of these fights are hax fights, the passives really aren't going to come up
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Time Power really have passive EE like an example of this is when Aeos with her time power erases the time scrolls with her mere presence alone similar to the DBH demigra stuff when he passively erase someone with time power, they can just also actively control and suppresses them as well if they want to really.

And like Killerdrone said, UT CC goku doesn't solely derived from time power alone but the Universe tree power that has its own EE which constantly releases an aura, plus time power and the power of destruction that is absorbed by it.
 
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I make one post and the DB gang get ready to jump me ong
Killerdrone123 said:
Actually it is mentioned to be both passive and active not every t.p user can passively use it also that is not a game mechanic but a scripted cutscene,
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Gamin_Yoon23 said:
As killerdrone mentions, their seems to be two aspects in regards to time power’s function. A passive functioning system and an active functioning system, from the looks of it those with proficiency in time power are able to wield this specific function of time power passively. That function being obviously, existence erasure and that very same existence erasure being passive. Demigra who resides from the Xenoverse multiverse is clearly unable to utilise this form of passive erasure. If my knowledge isn’t lagging behind I don’t think Demigra even uses passives.
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For the TP part, then why the hells are we assuming it's combat applicable (or hell even passive to begin with seeing as it erases omega shenron only after mechi says so) considering it apparently just, shows up once, erases someone, and then doesn't have any effect at all? I'd consider making a CRT about it but considering this response, it would literally just be the "come outside bro we won't jump you" meme embodied.
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
I don’t think your analogy or brief example works here in the slightest since it’s not as much to do status of strength or even sheer strength rather, it’s an ability that clearly has some extrapolation, lime of light and several references within the time power page. It can’t be an one and done showing if there’s clearly a multitude of evidence supporting that as per the TP page.
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Wasn't my point:
Firstly, wasn't trying to disprove ee for time power in general, just that it's passive, which like, if its a one-off thing (which it seemingly very much is)
Secondly, I'm specifically referring to the trend in battle shonen, especially DB, to have a villain from a past arc get absolutely dog walked to show the utter class of the strongest new villain, Demigra, erasing Omega Shenron in this case. That the scan has issues I can poke at brings its validity and its use to cross-scale something seen exactly once, to the rest of the people who use time power, rather than it being a Demigra exclusive thing for whatever reason.
We don't generalize a single instance of a power done by one person to the rest of the people who can use the same power system without good reason, simply sharing the power system (and another, very questionable, instance is not good enough reason, even if it wasn't questionable) is not a good enough reason, mages do not get every usage of magic in their universe despite them all manipulating the same basic mana.
Shar122 said:
Time Power really have passive EE like an example of this is when Aeos with her time power erases the time scrolls with her mere presence alone similar to the DBH demigra stuff when he passively erase someone with time power, they can just also actively control and suppresses them as well if they want to really.
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That is not passive ee, don't even. The closest thing you have is the first scan but it clearly isn't passive given all the scrolls around her didn't get erased at once, that's just thought-based EE, even moreso considering how other scans in the same album show her holding time scrolls perfectly fine, and only erasing them when she wants to with the same fire effect.
Killerdrone123 said:
the passive ee of CC Goku and fu is from Universe tree aura which is capable of erasure,it is not from solely time power ,the u.t aura is what that has t.p in it and is passive and also includes power of destruction
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Shar122 said:
And like Killerdrone said, UT CC goku doesn't solely derived from time power alone but the Universe tree power that has its own EE which constantly releases an aura, plus time power and the power of destruction that is absorbed by it.
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Yeah, I am aware, and I'm fine with that being passive EE, but to my issue of "Why assume literally anyone with it is flaring their aura out 4KM from start of battle" still stands. They literally never do that unless they're powering up (and even then that doesn't typically go to 4km), and SBA assumes strongest forms, so they don't get that excuse for doing so either.
 
Deonment said:
Yeah, I am aware, and I'm fine with that being passive EE, but to my issue of "Why assume literally anyone with it is flaring their aura out 4KM from start of battle" still stands. They literally never do that unless they're powering up (and even then that doesn't typically go to 4km), and SBA assumes strongest forms, so they don't get that excuse for doing so either.
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It's not about flaring there aura it's about the fact that the aura is already there and has atleast galaxy level range as it is comparable to u.t trunk
that is galaxy level in size not to mention universe tree is always there with them that literally proceeds to erase everything in its range as shown in scans in the posts I made above
 
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The hell is happening?, except Arale, there are mostly UT and Goku, Fu has passive

Robo432343 said:
you can clearly see that it takes time to charge up...its not passive at all and it doesn't passively incap the target either
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Charge what?, they already have the aura when in those form, the SSB:UT Power is literally SSB Goku that already enveloped himself in Aura. This is like you making a match where Goku is start in SSB but saying Goku need to power up to SSB despite he is already in the form because of how you setup the match
 
I would bring up Sig because of Puzzle Pop...
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...but I don't think he even has a character profile here.
 
man why are the guys in Low 1-C so weak? Checking the strongest 4D DMC was at number 18 and here Void Mundus can potentially incon to stomp everyone except the top 4
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
man why are the guys in Low 1-C so weak? Checking the strongest 4D DMC was at number 18 and here Void Mundus can potentially incon to stomp everyone except the top 4
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Passive, a lot of 5D characters don't have passive, and some outdated characters too
 
Also someone should fix Void Mundus P&A tabber

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Vietthai96 said:
Passive, a lot of 5D characters don't have passive, and some outdated characters too
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Bro check the 4D profiles, not only are they stupidly haxed like DMC but they have a ton of different states of existence, paracausality, nonexistence, nonexistence negation, beyond dimensional existence, etc.

Like, the list is outdated af (Final Fantasy above Destiny lmao) but damn some spots are truly earned there
 
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