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Street Fighter: Ryu upgrade to High 7-A and various fixes.

Ted_Ed

Ted_Ed

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There have been 3 instances were Ryu could be reasonably upgraded to High 7-A by directly scaling to other characters.

1.- Scaling to Akuma via Ryu Final.

Since there is no "composite" or "manga"/"game" forms on his profile, not to mention Ryu Final is 100% percent official and approved by capcom, also, its a sequel to another manga by the same author that feattures the first appearance of Karin Kanzuki before SFA3, in this manga, Ryu manages to kill Akuma.

https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Street_Fighter_III:_Ryu_Final


2.-Kage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvB1I0SmbHM

Kage managed to standup to Akuma before being BFRd, and claimed to have defeated both Sagat and Akuma, then, he fights Ryu and wins. But it is not implied to be a stomp at all.


3.-Evil Ryu

Evil Ryu never happens in the canonical story of Street Fighter. Its a What If character that is entirely its own being. As a non-canon, separate character, he should scale to his ending of SFA3, where he defeats Shin Akuma, who is far above regular Akuma's High 7-A feat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_mYcQNr83U
 
Also, remember that the current 7-B rating is based on SFA3 base Ryu. One of his earliest forms.
 
The comics are not canon. Capcom do take some inspirations from them at times, but they're not approved as canonical to the lore. Even if Ryu Final were canon, the SFIII events keep getting retconned in SFV, so when the next game or SFV cinematic story mode comes out and they retell the SFIII storyline, it will be completely different from what we know.
 
Ryu Final is a manga officially approved by Capcom far before the udon comics made their own thing.

SFV did not change anything significant about SF3.
 
Like I said, Capcom only adopt some of the details from the Nakahira mangas. That doesn't mean they're fully canon. In Ryu Final's case, Capcom made Ryu's Focus Attack in SFIV similar to his Kaze no Ken technique from the manga, and this is also where the children Sagat took care of in SSFIV originated, but the storyline is quite different from that of SFIII.

For instance, in the manga, Ryu fought Hugo to a draw, which is not the case in the SFIII storyline: Hugo withstood his Shin Shoryuken, but Ryu still won. Ryu also defeated Ken in 3rd Strike, yet Ken mops the floor with him before the battle even begins in Ryu Final.

SFV hasn't as of now, but it's about to.
 
Eh, i suppose that is reasonable enough since Capcom will inevitably rewrite most of SF3 later on.

The other two should be valid
 
To be honest... not really. The powerscaling in Alpha 3 is a huge mess. Eagle beats Guile, Dee Jay beats Sagat, Adon beats Ken - it's really hard to take most of the rival matches seriously, and I don't think Evil Ryu (a guy who just got consumed by the SnH) can defeat Shin Akuma (the master of the SnH fighting at his max).

As for Kage, he functions the same way as Oni, he's just an incorporeal SnH entity (I remember a Capcom Unity blog saying he physically manifested after Ryu purged the SnH, but it has to be a mistranslation). His fights against Ryu, Akuma and Sagat take place inside their minds / on the spiritual plane.
 
Evil Ryu is its own non canon entity.

And thus, should scale to his appearances in the games he haas been in. In SFA3, Losing to Shin Akuma tells him that he is worthy and a good rival to his might. So this is baacked up from both outcomes.

It being an outlier or not doesnt matter, since he is non canon, and neither is shin akuma. (since he has never used it in canon, not even against Gouken


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And that he fought Sagat, Akuma and Ryu inside their minds is bogus and Akuma had to physially punch to get him to dissapear. There is no evidence he is fighting in their heads.
 
Kage's story intertwines with Sagat's. In Sagat's story we can see that all Sagat had is a heart attack, there was no physical battle between him and a demon. Kage is just the Satsui no Hado that Ryu and Akuma have been suppressing. Akuma even fights his own shadow (which is obviously Oni) in his SSFIIT: Revival ending. Plus his character profile says his height & weight are unknown, further implying he's incorporeal, and then there are win-quotes where multiple characters talk to him as if he's just a shadow (which is what his name means).
 
N-Naani too, and he agreed with the eentire OP.


I think that the bare logical mininum that should be done is the Evil Ryu profile, it has been common knowledge that he is a WHAT IF character that has differeent feats than regular Ryu like defeating Shin Akuma.


And removing the Evil Ryu skills from the regular Ryu profile.
 
I'd say Fully Influenced Evil Ryu (from Alpha) is around Base Akuma level, while Unleashed Evil Ryu (from SFIV) is comparable to Shin Akuma.
 
Schnee One said:
Matt knows SF well
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Somebody should probably ask Matthew Schroeder to comment here then.
 
Evil Ryu never happens in the SF timeline, its a what if.

Evil Ryu in SFA3 beat Shin Akuma, even if he loses,Shin Akuma says he fought well. So SFA3 Evil Ryu should indeed be At least High 7-A. https://youtu.be/D4B3R9CBTD8

SFIV evil Ryu is implied to have survived a fight with Oni because of the massive scar, but little else is known about him, specially when his ending is just killing two random henchmen.
 
Early Akuma is the one that droke the island with a single blow, and Evil Ryu fought SHIN Akuma.


So, he surely should be At least High 7-A if not just 6-C.

And the current aakuma, while quite stronger and able to curb stomp PoN Ryu, we do not know just how much stronger he is.
 
Yeah, and this feat doesn't contradict anything we know from canon. In fact, it's also hinting at a potential 2nd story mode. Hakan (G ending), Shibuya (Japanese shopping center not seen since SFV:AE opening), Gold Meteor (President of the Universe).
 
Well, if Akuma is "At least High 7-A", it would make sense if other powerful fighters are 7-A, yes, especially if we have an accepted calculation for it.
 
Have you asked several other knowledgeable members to comment here yet, especially staff?
 
Thing is, Base Ryu should be kept as he is, just changed to "SFA3 Ryu or Early Ryu". And change PoN and the new "Current Ryu" to 7-A
 
I do not mind personally, but am uncomfortable with clearing any major changes on my own.

Perhaps Dark649 is able to help out?
 
Easy.


SFA3 Ryu | Using Satsuni no Hadou | SFV Ryu | Power of Nothingness


7-B (SFA3 Bad Ending City Busting) | At least 7-B (One-shot SFA3 M.Bison) | 7-A (Comparable if not superior to Honda) | At least 7-A (Defeated SFV M.Bison, fought SFV Akuma evenly, but lost.)
 
Ted Ed said:
SFA3 Ryu | Using Satsuni no Hadou | SFV Ryu | Power of Nothingness


7-B (SFA3 Bad Ending City Busting) | At least 7-B (One-shot SFA3 M.Bison) | 7-A (Comparable if not superior to Honda) | At least 7-A (Defeated SFV M.Bison, fought SFV Akuma evenly, but lost.)
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I second that.
 
And Evil Ryu is

SFA3 | Ultra Street Figher 4

At least High 7-A, Possibly 6-C (defeated Shin Akuma. Even when losing, he is told to have fought well by Shin Akuma.) | Unknown, Possibly High 7-A (Implied to be comparable to Akuma and other fully embraced Satsuni no Hadou fighters)
 
I'm not completely sure if we should use capcom approval for that since the post sfv story segment might will be changed if they probably continue the story like Urien previously stating that Chun Li took down Shadoloo, also i don't see why capcom would approve killing off Akuma.

About Kage, while he defeated Sagat and fought Akuma the latter was helding back, also by saying to him that he's a mere souless silhouette, that true power does not come from Satsu and would have rather prefered fighting the real Ryu again that previously got soundly defeated by Akuma, and then dispelled Kage. Kage then defeated Ryu, but Ryu is no longer afraid him and overcame him, but not physically.

Evil Ryu happened in the story, its the evil side of Ryu that tapped the power of the Satsui which allowed him to defeat Sagat and drove Akuma and Bison to him. M. Bison became interested of that part of Ryu which injured and corrupted Sagat, so much that he brainwashed Ryu with psycho power in hope for him to unleash that power, which Bison desired and ultimately led him to his defeat. Evil Ryu then became a force that Ryu did not desired because it tried to take over him several times, for example in SFV against Necalli and after tapping the power of nothing in V where Ryu rejected his evil side which separed itself as Kage which got rejected by Ryu again. The canon appearance's of Evil Ryu are these above and it was not stated that a fight with Shin Akuma/Gouken happened in Alpha/4 canon story and these are a What If E.Ryu fully embraced the Satsui and fought Akuma and Gouken, there is stuff like Abigail easily defeating many character and then losing to Poison/Casual major Cody in their story, lastly every character can even beat Oni at the end of arcade mode.

The noticible thing though is E.Honda's feat is accepted, though this character is not portrayed as a top tier but more like a mid with most of the cast as he sparred to Ryu and Sodom, fought Zangief and later lost to Hakan yet has a feat than seemingly higher than anyone sans Akuma and Gill, but in V Bison was powered by the moons which might would put him higher than that.
 
So yeah. Evil Ryu is a non canon, separate beimg from normal ryu that has high 7-A feats and deserves his own, separate profile.
 
@Dark649

Thank you for helping out. So what do you think that we should do here?
 
The manga isnt canon and even in SF3 Oro, who was impressed by Akuma power and fought him to a draw/inconclusive battle said Ryu has a long way to even come close to a level that could give him a battle, also Ryu and Ken saw Gouken get killed in front of their eyes, in canon they didnt, Akuma in that battle still was owning Ryu and let him get some shots on him and him killing Akuma makes no sense

E Honda isnt anywhere near Ryu or Chun Li level which are all above him and have feats weaker then the recent SF5 one he has, it screams outlier especially when he suddenly has it on a level slightly below Akuma
 
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