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Plagueis only killed Tenebrous when the guy was exhausted iirc and by simple scaling he should be far far superior to Darth Bane
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Star Wars Revision: Godly Sith Lords (Legends)
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Where in the absolute hell would people get the idea that Plagueis and Marka Ragnos scale to the Tier 4 stuff? They don't.
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Sidious only became 4-B after killing Plagueis.
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Plagueis collapsed an entire cave ceiling on top of Tenebrous when they trying to escape a previous explosion when mining for Cortosis before he killed him by snapping his neck. I believe it's in the first pages of chapter of the Darth Plagueis novel.ItalianGuy1234 said:
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Plagueis and Sidious are a part of the Rule of Two scaling, which means that the Apprentice would have to scale to the Master. Meaning that if Sidious is at the 4-B tier, and the culmination of Bane's Order, then logically Plagueis should scale to 4-B as well since he taught Palpatine almost everything he knew. Even then Palpatine didn't kill Plagueis in a straight up fight, he got Plagueis drunk then killed him.The Everlasting said:
Marka Ragnos is harder to discern, hence why the proposed 'Star tier, possibly 4-B' is in mind since the scaling for the Ancient Sith kinda has to be backtracked from the Clone Wars era. Vitiate serves as the Sidious of the Old Republic era, and Ragnos recognized Vititate's power when he was 13 years old, and he also granted Vitiate his Sith title too.
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Sidious only became that strong after killing Plagueis, and that was Pre-Nathema Vitiate.
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Then why were you questioning about Plageuis being 4-B?The Everlasting said:
The point for Vitiate was the parallel between him and Sidious' uprising from Sith Masters who saw a powerful connection to the Dark side. A 13 year old Pureblood Sith being recognized for his immense power by the most powerful Sith Lord of that time... sounds a bit familiar lol.
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Because people are talking about it?
I hope you're not serious with using that to make Marka Ragnos 4-B.
I hope you're not serious with using that to make Marka Ragnos 4-B.
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There's no reason to suggest that Plagueis isn't 4-B, to do so would contradict the entire purpose of the entire Rule of Two in the first place.The Everlasting said:
More than likely Ragnos won't be offically 4-B, he'll likely be 'Star level, possibly 4-B' much in the same way as Tenebrous.
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Honestly we should avoid upgrading these characters, it's too inconsistent
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Plagueis is more consistent than Ragnos is imo. At least Plagueis has the foundation and scaling of the Rule of Two to refer back too, plus he was considered the greatest and most powerful Sith Lord before he encountered Palpatine (and we know where that goes lol).ItalianGuy1234 said:
For Ragnos, I'm more than happy to leave him at Star level.
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Worth noting that both Savage and Maul wouldn't have gotten force tossed out the window had Sidious not started fooling around.Reppuzan said:
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True, but Maul served more as an assassin than an actual Sith apprentice.Reppuzan said:
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I found a respect thread that has quotes/statements/feats on just how stupidly powerful Sidious is compared to his apprentices.
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Incredible Lord Cross, may I ask if we may see?
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Yeah you guys kept talking about him as this weeks new fad i had to look up Sidious respect thread and by god, that old koot is OP.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/prof...-palpatinedarth-sidious-respect-thread/63101/
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/prof...-palpatinedarth-sidious-respect-thread/63101/
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Dooku was only a Sith apprentice for 10 years, the rest of his life he was a Jedi. Compared to Sidious' thirty plus years when Plagueis found Palpatine on Naboo when the latter was 17.Reppuzan said:
Vader was a broken man, stated by Sidious himself. Vader's psychological problems hindered his ascension plus the severity of his burn marks and his suit provided additional problems too.
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Well, Sidious is the Dark side incarnate and an Avatar of the Dark side lol. I'd be surprised if any apprentice could actually beat him... unless that apprentice was a Skywalker 0-0.CrossverseCrisis said:
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Personally, I think only Sith Masters scale via the Rule of Two.
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Which is fair, since all Sith Apprentices under the Rule of Two are meant to become masters eventually otherwise all those years of training would be useless, and the Rule of Two would've died right after Zannah's demise.MasterOfArda said:
In the case of Sidious, he only used Maul, Ventress, Dooku, and Savage for his own purposes. He tried to do the same thing his own master did and live forever.
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This should be closed. This is getting derailed and people want to make everyone 4-B.
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So it is off-topic?
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I understand the concerns, it's just only a few select people that should get the 4-B tier.Matthew Schroeder said:
IMO:
Solar System:
Yoda
Sidious
Plagueis
Vitiate
Windu (aamped via Vaapad)
Hero of Tython
Revan
Arcann
Star tier:
Dooku
Windu (Normally)
Anakin Skywalker (by the time of ROTS/Darth Vader on Mustafar but the emotional and pyschological hinderences prevent him from his full power)
Vaylin (possibly)
Thexan (possibly)
Planet tier:
Darth Bane (based on his moon feat on Onderon)
Jedi Council members during the Prequel/Clone Wars era (including Obi-Wan Kenobi; scaling from Darth Bane as most, if not all, of the Council members should be around if not stronger than Bane himself)
Quinlan Vos
Asajj Ventress (possibly; she's been able to hold her own strongly against the combined might of Kenobi and Skywalker throughout the Clone Wars)
Multi-Continent tier:
Rahm Kota
Average Jedi Knight/Jedi Masters
Characters like Galen Marek/Starkiller are a bit tricker since Starkiller was trained by Vader for most of his life in The Force Unleashed, possibly he could scale to Kenobi or a Jedi Council member (holding his own against Shaak Ti briefly) making him 'Possibly Planet tier'.
All in all, I understand why you feel this getting derailed, but I'm just saying that there are a lot of characters in the Star Wars mythos and it does sorta get based on ABC scaling (which makes sense as both Jedi and Sith have very similar training methods and are trained in virtually the same way, so it's not too far to assume for groupings of certain Force weilders to get stuck together).
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Because Obi Wan gets destroyed by Anakin when in a calm mindset
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From my understanding, it's mainly ROTS that makes Anakin stronger than Obi-Wan but also during the duel on Mustafar (which I believe it's referenced on Obi-Wan Kenobi's profile) that Anakin was emotionally hindered which helped Kenobi in his duel (as well as knowing Skywalker's fighting style inside out).Dziga said:
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Plagueis definitely isn't 4-B, Vaylin scales to Vitiate, Dooku is not Tier 4 period, and I'd rather settle the Bane stuff another day.
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Fair enough on Bane, but why shouldn't Plagueis scale to Sidious if Vaylin is gonna be scaled to Vitiate? Granted Vaylin is the daughter of Vitiate/Valkorian... but given Plagueis taught Palpatine almost everything he knew, shouldn't it be reasonable that Plagueis should be 4-B? Even in the Plagueis novel, Palpatine felt fear that his master came back to life briefly in the Muun's apartment, however briefly it was felt.The Everlasting said:
Also there is plenty of evidence to indicate that Plagueis could hold his own against Yoda... not sure if that helps in Plagueis' favor lol.
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Vitiate was outright scared of Vaylin's power and sought to keep it contained, not to mention he stated that it would take him and the Hero of Tython to stop her and Arcann.
And again, Sidious only became 4-B by killing Plagueis.
And again, Sidious only became 4-B by killing Plagueis.
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