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As many of you probably know, several of our Marvel profiles are currently very unreliable thanks to the enormous inconsistencies from story to story and writer to writer.
Matthew has requested help from other staff members to help him improve on their reliability.
Currently, the most blatant problems are the following:
1) The multiversal cosmic entities have almost all been placed at High 1-B, thanks to that the Marvel multiverse has been portrayed as infinite-dimensional in certain older stories.
However, the problem is that in other stories it has strictly been portrayed as a 2-A infinite collection of universes.
This includes "Avengers: Time Runs Out", in which The Beyonders were destroying the entire multiverse by causing universes to collide with each other, and were killed by an explosion that destroyed a few thousand of them at once. Yet they also personally killed most of the multiversal cosmic hierarchy, including The Living Tribunal.
Another example was Al Ewing's recent "Ultimates" storyline, in which The First Firmament had overpowered and chained the multiversal incarnation of Eternity. The problem is that it was here revealed that he was the original, larger, multiverse, that his creations the Celestials had split into several universes that formed a multiverse (this also referenced an older X-Men storyline, where this was first mentioned), and that the Maker and the High Evolutionary were able to strengthen Eternity by merging all of multiverse into one single universe.
This also turned it impossible to give a proper rating to the "Lifebringer" version of Galactus, who defeated Lord Chaos and Master Order, who in turn killed the new Living Tribunal, or to Logos, who was created by both Chaos, Order, and The In-Betweener combining into one.
Yet another example is the Fantastic Four "Abraxas" storyline, in which Multi-Eternity first appeared, and was stated to simply be composed of all parallel universes, and that is it. The Ultimate Nullifier here managed to defeat Abraxas and repair Multi-Eternity, which has given it a 2-A rating.
Then there is the "Chaos War", in which the Chaos King managed to absorb/destroy almost 99% of the Marvel multiverse, but I don't think that any higher dimensions were mentioned in conjunction, and Hercules with skyfather powers (this is what characters such as Odi and Zeus are called) was somehow almost able to stalemate him, and restore everything that he had destroyed afterwards. A 2-A boost from 3-B or 3-A is hard enough to accept in itself, but a High 1-B skyfather seems completely ridiculous.
As such, it is likely best to give any embodiments of the Marvel multiverse and their equals (The Living Tribunal, Multi-Eternity, Chaos, Order, Infinity) a "Variable. Differs between 2-A and High 1-B depending on the storyline" rating, whereas the Beyonders, Logos, Abraxas, the Ultimate Nullifier, Lifebringer Galactus, the First Firmament, post-retcon Molecule Man, and possibly The Never Quee, receive 2-A ratings, based on the storylines in which they have appeared.
The Chaos King and skyfather Hercules are more uncertain, but "At least 2-A" might be best.
Pre-Retcon Beyonder should obviously keep his High 1-B rating, and Oblivio has always been the beyond-dimensional void outside of the multiverse, not a part of it, so 1-A seems appropriate here as well, and The Protege managed to exceed the power of the classic Living Tribunal, and has not appeared since then, so High 1-B seems fine here as well.
However, we need to discuss which characters that should receive which ratings.
2) There are several powerhouse characters incapable of spaceflight, that nevertheless have MFTL+ combat speed ratings, by scaling from Thor. This includes the Hulk, A-Bomb, Red Hulk, Abomination, etcetera. They are scaled from that the Hulk and Red Hulk can keep up with Thor, but have no personal feats that exceed Massively Hypersonic, and are consistently portrayed as at best as swift as Spider-Man. I personally like several of these characters, so rating them much lower is somewhat uncomfortable for me, but the reliability of the wiki is more important.
3) There are still several profiles with outdated scaling from Marvel handbook statistics, and we are trying to get rid of that.
4) Most of the 9-A profiles do not actually state from which character that they have been scaled, although I think that it is The Punisher's durability.
Help would be very appreciated, as Matthew is currently busy in real life, and I am overworked in general, as usual.
NOTE: STAFF ONLY
As many of you probably know, several of our Marvel profiles are currently very unreliable thanks to the enormous inconsistencies from story to story and writer to writer.
Matthew has requested help from other staff members to help him improve on their reliability.
Currently, the most blatant problems are the following:
1) The multiversal cosmic entities have almost all been placed at High 1-B, thanks to that the Marvel multiverse has been portrayed as infinite-dimensional in certain older stories.
However, the problem is that in other stories it has strictly been portrayed as a 2-A infinite collection of universes.
This includes "Avengers: Time Runs Out", in which The Beyonders were destroying the entire multiverse by causing universes to collide with each other, and were killed by an explosion that destroyed a few thousand of them at once. Yet they also personally killed most of the multiversal cosmic hierarchy, including The Living Tribunal.
Another example was Al Ewing's recent "Ultimates" storyline, in which The First Firmament had overpowered and chained the multiversal incarnation of Eternity. The problem is that it was here revealed that he was the original, larger, multiverse, that his creations the Celestials had split into several universes that formed a multiverse (this also referenced an older X-Men storyline, where this was first mentioned), and that the Maker and the High Evolutionary were able to strengthen Eternity by merging all of multiverse into one single universe.
This also turned it impossible to give a proper rating to the "Lifebringer" version of Galactus, who defeated Lord Chaos and Master Order, who in turn killed the new Living Tribunal, or to Logos, who was created by both Chaos, Order, and The In-Betweener combining into one.
Yet another example is the Fantastic Four "Abraxas" storyline, in which Multi-Eternity first appeared, and was stated to simply be composed of all parallel universes, and that is it. The Ultimate Nullifier here managed to defeat Abraxas and repair Multi-Eternity, which has given it a 2-A rating.
Then there is the "Chaos War", in which the Chaos King managed to absorb/destroy almost 99% of the Marvel multiverse, but I don't think that any higher dimensions were mentioned in conjunction, and Hercules with skyfather powers (this is what characters such as Odi and Zeus are called) was somehow almost able to stalemate him, and restore everything that he had destroyed afterwards. A 2-A boost from 3-B or 3-A is hard enough to accept in itself, but a High 1-B skyfather seems completely ridiculous.
As such, it is likely best to give any embodiments of the Marvel multiverse and their equals (The Living Tribunal, Multi-Eternity, Chaos, Order, Infinity) a "Variable. Differs between 2-A and High 1-B depending on the storyline" rating, whereas the Beyonders, Logos, Abraxas, the Ultimate Nullifier, Lifebringer Galactus, the First Firmament, post-retcon Molecule Man, and possibly The Never Quee, receive 2-A ratings, based on the storylines in which they have appeared.
The Chaos King and skyfather Hercules are more uncertain, but "At least 2-A" might be best.
Pre-Retcon Beyonder should obviously keep his High 1-B rating, and Oblivio has always been the beyond-dimensional void outside of the multiverse, not a part of it, so 1-A seems appropriate here as well, and The Protege managed to exceed the power of the classic Living Tribunal, and has not appeared since then, so High 1-B seems fine here as well.
However, we need to discuss which characters that should receive which ratings.
2) There are several powerhouse characters incapable of spaceflight, that nevertheless have MFTL+ combat speed ratings, by scaling from Thor. This includes the Hulk, A-Bomb, Red Hulk, Abomination, etcetera. They are scaled from that the Hulk and Red Hulk can keep up with Thor, but have no personal feats that exceed Massively Hypersonic, and are consistently portrayed as at best as swift as Spider-Man. I personally like several of these characters, so rating them much lower is somewhat uncomfortable for me, but the reliability of the wiki is more important.
3) There are still several profiles with outdated scaling from Marvel handbook statistics, and we are trying to get rid of that.
4) Most of the 9-A profiles do not actually state from which character that they have been scaled, although I think that it is The Punisher's durability.
Help would be very appreciated, as Matthew is currently busy in real life, and I am overworked in general, as usual.
NOTE: STAFF ONLY
