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And, mind you, a full grown t-rex at it's tallest is only comparable to the ogre, and they don't have an actual weapon they can properly swing.
 
Speedwagon scales from smashing fodder zombie troops into mush. Said fodder zombies are reanimated old British soldiers (age of knights) in some level of metal armour. Zombies are stronger than humans physically and even smashing humans to mush is an easy 9-B feat. Don't know numbers though.
 
As well, a durability feat. Speedwagon surviving a thrown body from Dio that dismembers multiple people, surviving with only broken bones: https://m.imgur.com/a/SUwYA This shows he's also not lacking in durability feats, especially considering Dio has Multi-City Block AP and City Block Class Striking Strength. This shows he's certainly not outclassed by Goblin Slayer in terms of durability, either.

I would certainly not place him below the Ogre in strength just because he looks like it, since if we counted all the characters that didn't look like Vecna at her tier, we'd have a lot of issues.

Basically, at the moment they are both Wall level and we have no reason to believe one is significantly weaker than the other. They have both survived hefty blows- although, Speedwagon has taken hits from arguably stronger forces and survived. Overall, Speedwagon should get this.
 
Retreating and then setting up a trap is very much IC for GS.

Blunt weapons are good against armour but if Speedwagon misses or his strike is deflected he's wide open for a counter and given he's not wearing armour said counter blow will be lethal.

@ tacticalnuke002

Actually GS's armour isn't heavy or inflexible, if you look again he isn't wearing any armour at the joints so he wouldn't be slowed down
 
DIO is getting downgraded, or changed in AP regardless, but that didn't seem like really something he put much effort into, and if he did it's an outlier at best.

Show an actual feat from him. Surviving any kind of attack from a 8-B does not quialify for proof of his 9-B stuff.
 
It is worth noting that Goblin Slayer's durability feat was with his armor, while Speedwagon's feats against Jonathan and Dio were with no armor, so it is likely he could survive a few hits from Goblin Slayer.

But yes, it is close. Very close. However, Speedwagon has terrain advantage so I still grant him the advantage. The sledgehammer is good against armor, the terrain favors him and his tactics, and Goblin Slayer likely hasn't fought many people quite like Speedwagon.
 
Goblin Slayer could also, you know, potion scum.

And again, survivng an attack from an 8-B is not a 9-B feat, it's an outlier. Provide something that can actually be used.
 
Also, I wouldn't call either that or his feat against Jonathan a massive outlier when both are quite impressive feats and both are on his profile.

Assuming both were holding back, he still survived two hefty blows that more than place him at wall-level.

https://imgur.com/FASrYcW
 
Plus, he didn't take the full strenght of the hit, because as logic will tell you, it hitting people before slowed and weakened it, and even then it only hit his arm, which broke.

He got hit to the shoulder, and it went through, that isn't a feat.

The hammer is honestly far too low-end to matter.
 
Pretty sure JoJO was not 8-C at that point, and I already explained why the feat with dio isn't aplicable directly. It going throug bodies slowed and weakened it, and it broke the part it hit cimpletly.
 
If you don't believe the hammer is wall-level, go request something. But for this fight, it is, and we're going with it.

Also, he quite clearly got hit right in the arm.

In the end, we have no feats as to the Ogre's strength so we can't properly say Speedwagon isn't as strong as the Ogre. Counting that, the battlefield advantage, and weaponry good against armored opponents, Speedwagon takes this with difficulty.
 
No, it is baseline 9-B, not even close to something like the ogre due to sheer size.

Yes, and the asrm snapped easily.

The ogre made several dozen meter wide explosion, which is about halfway into 9-B, and used magic and physical hits interchangibly. It also scales above a sledgehammer by sheer size, much like how a caracter can be 8-C via sheer size.
 
What? You realize the ogre's blow got all of his body, head included, yeah? And unless you can give some proper feats, a sledgehammer would be barely enough to faze someone who can take a hit from anything larger than 5 meters.

And again, potion scumming.
 
Right, so the Ogre hit with 9-B, while Dio threw the body and has 8-B AP. Even if you are to assume he was barely trying, the force to rip through four people in a row is absolutely absurd- the amount of force needed to do that not once, but four times is incredible. I highly doubt this is below a 9-B feat.
 
You really don't understand? Dio being 8-B doesn't matter here. If he put any of his power into it the feat would be any outlier.

It ripping through those people is the problem as well. I can throw a cannonball hard enough to rip through two bodies, but after it rips through those bodies the cannonball will be severly weakened.

Beyond that, the only part of him that was hit broke with no proper resistance at all. If he were hit on the chest he'd be long dead.


Also, Goblin Slayer has his scroll, which pulverized the lower half of said ogre.
 
Dio wasn't 8-B at the time tho. Like the drunkard vampire who threw him right through a huge wall, Dio should be somewhere in mid to high 9-B at the time he threw the policeman.
 
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Also, check the feat and look closely.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Lxl4XFUh1...aXSKshUcvPOhCvH9gZYUgwCHM/s16000/0008-019.png

The weapon's width is around the size of the Ogre's head, and GB is clearly reeling over, chest blown backwards, as if hit in the stomach.

Let's say the Ogre's feat is 9B, sure. Dio's body throwing feat is certainly at least 9B, if not higher. At the very least, this puts them at equal. Not only that, but Speedwagon's single strike with his sledgehammer was enough to shatter through the zombie's head, while zombies in JJBA are much stronger than a regular human. In the end, it's unreasonable to say Goblin Slayer flat-out outclasses Speedwagon.
 
He was hit upwards in the chest area.

Let's say..? You realize that through sheer size that thing scales above t-rexes right? The weapon it's using also mostly works like a sledge hammer, exept with much more mass, so sledge hammer is flat out useless.

Well, being far above human meansd nothing. They could be X50 stronger than any human and still be baseline 9-B at best. The ogre is at least scalable to a t-rex, whiuch is faaaaar above that.
 
The argument that it slowed down keeps getting brought up; while true, this even supports the feat in the way. It effortlessly flew through four people! It hit someone, went through them, and the next person, and the next person, and the next person. Effortlessly. But Speedwagon survived. Sure, it slowed, but it was still clearly fast enough to kill more people. Very clearly.
 
And if the weapon scales above a T-Rex, I would like a feat and calculation for that. Some amount of evidence would do.
 
So your going to ignore the part where it only hit his hand, and said hand broke effrotlessly too?

And again, he slaps out the scroll and proceeds to atacking him with something that pulverizes 9-B's on that level. Or potion scums to victory.
 
ThePixelKirby said:
And if the weapon scales above a T-Rex, I would like a feat and calculation for that. Some amount of evidence would do.
Do you not understand through sheer size..?

A t-rex can at most be 9-B, and they lack the physiology to properly strike something or charge well. Something the size of a T-rex, with human physiology, especially when with a weapon, is far above anything a t-rex can muster.
 
It hit his arm, very clearly, and close enough to impact his ribs. Hurt or not, he survived. As well, I don't see any feats for the scroll on the profile putting him at above wall-level AP.

Goblin Hunter got blasted into the air by the Ogre, so he certainly didn't shrug that off. If it's any indicator of GB's durability, one hit from Speedwagon should certainly send him backwards- aim for the head, and he's just about done. Meanwhile, Speedwagon was hurt, but he didn't fly into the air, either, showing a certain manner of resilience where all the other people were splattered across the entire room.
 
Also, the weapon isn't remotely close to T-Rex size. At least, not in width- it's no bigger than the Ogre's head. The length is hidden off-screen.
 
An arm being close to his chest doesn't mean that the arm being hit also hit the chest. He got hit by one attack, and it completly snapped the part it hit. And dura is nbot scalable to AP either way anyways, and nothing you brought up in attack feats is really worth mentioning in this fight.

The scroll is 9-B, just on a much higher degree. And again, potion scumming. And if you know anything about actual combat, you know that a hit to the head with a sledge hammer is the easiest thing to see.

The weapon doesn't need to be t-rex sized. A hammer doesn't need to be human sized to be 10-B. It is simply the fact that it's being swung by something bigger than a t-rex, faster than a t-rex could hit directly, that puts it above it.
 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ssx7EYtKh...XtmxCwMaDaPfw3D6Ix53rACHM/s16000/0008-020.png

Damn you, accidentally posting the wrong image.

This image shows an Ogre similar to the first one failing to even break a pillar. This hits GS so hard he's down, on the ground, struggling to even get back up.

Are we really arguing that GS has higher durability than Speedwagon? Unless there's reason for the other Ogre to be much stronger than this one, being knocked into the air and surviving is even more of an outlier as he got hit by the same species.
 
Also, I'd like evidence that the person swinging was anywhere near as big or strong as a T-Rex.
 
Dude, nothing you showed for his AP is even close to any of that. Plus, there are hogoblins (fodders) who can smash through pillars without being even slightly slowed
 
Okay, then could you give me an AP feat or striking feat that puts him drastically above Speedwagon, with evidence for how durable the creature he hit was?
 
The ogre is above a hogoblin who can destroy a pillar.

Gonna post the scan in a bit, and likely call the strike og the ogre to begin with
 
Finding exact feats for the zombie is difficult; closest one can get is comparing one to Jack the Ripper, who died to Jonathan's Hamon.

However, this does show that Speedwagon has strength enough to fight blow to blow with creatures that other Hamon users need Hamon to kill.

Still looking for more conclusive evidence.
 
I highly doubt you can directly scale it to jack at all. Regardless, I'll calc it. Probably tomorrowm since it's night, but I'll calc it.
 
There were also the 4 fodders who were confident of defeating Straizo (lol) who had a chandelier dropped on them.

https://*********.me/manga/jojos-bizarre-adventure-part-1-phantom-blood/s2/v5/c39/e3/10-1?zoom=5

Granted there were 4 of them who managed to lift the chandelier, but it still may be a 9-B feat.
 
For Zombies:

https://m.imgur.com/oKKImuv Small ball thrown with enough force to completely obliterate a human head does show they aren't slouches at all offensively.

https://m.imgur.com/BW1jNDa Jack the Ripper tossed a carriage so hard the cave they were in collapsed.

At the moment, it is difficult to find a proper durability feat besides being hit by Jonathan and other Hamon users.

However, this does show that they are clearly hefty and powerful and certainly aren't slouches.
 
The first feat is something that can be done by the elf archer in goblin slayer, and she was plain fodder to the ogre.

Jack, once again, isn't really scalable.
 
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