Sora vs Dante

[Dragopentling]

commenting so I can go back to this later

I'm leaning on Dante, though

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Dante throws his pizza.

Dante fra.

 

[Bobsican]

So mismatchu.
Sora either Warps or Dante Jackpots GG.

Then this thread should just be closed in that case.

 

[Axl233]

I'm mean if soras sees that his enemy just one shots him he is obviously gonna use his best spells like warp or time stop after he resurrect,but if this is a mismatch then yeah close it.

 

[Schnee_One]

I mean

If a character has a win condition but doesn't use it first, I don't get how that's a mismatch

 

[Bobsican]

I mean
If a character has a win condition but doesn't use it first, I don't get how that's a mismatch

Please go here and say it in that case.

 

[Schnee_One]

I said it twice.........

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, that thread is quite dead, so discussing about the last reply would be nice, thanks.

 

[Schnee_One]

Bump

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Dante for reasons above, for now.

 

[HST_Master]

I'm mean if soras sees that his enemy just one shots him he is obviously gonna use his best spells like warp or time stop after he resurrect,but if this is a mismatch then yeah close it.

Actually, good point. Sora has multiple forms of Ressurection. Going with Sora fra.

 

[DarkGrath]

I'm mean if soras sees that his enemy just one shots him he is obviously gonna use his best spells like warp or time stop after he resurrect,but if this is a mismatch then yeah close it.

Doesn't Dante have resistance to time manipulation?

 

[Schnee_One]

Actually, Sora may have a win condicion in Lethal Frame, which can time stop those with time stop resistence, but the chances of him going for that are not very big.

 

[DarkGrath]

Oh, gotcha. Sorry, must have skimmed that part.

 

[Schnee_One]

And your vote is?

 

[DarkGrath]

Hmm... I think I'm going to go for Dante FRA, but only by a small margin. I'm open to being convinced to either vote incon/Sora.

 

[Imaginym]

You see, to unlock it you have to do side quest(s) AFTER the plot of the game itself, which considering how the plot goes, yeah, totally not canon.

No you don't. As soon as you get to the Keyblade Graveyard's 1st sequence you can make the Ultima Weapon.

I don't know if the DLC changed the means of obtaining Ultima Weapon, or its lore, but its canonicity is, in my opinion, dubious. Here's a video guide explaining what you must do to obtain it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuCyF1uJdsg

To get it, you must Synthesize it using all 7 Orichalcum+ (And some other materials.) in the game. Orichalcum+ don't have any other uses. Here's where you get them. http://www.powerpyx.com/kingdom-hearts-3-all-orichalcum-locations/

1. Treasure Chest: in The Final World
2. Treasure Chest: in The Caribbean
3. Flantastic Seven: get highscores in all 7 pudding challenges
4. Lucky Emblems: photograph 80 Mickey Emblems
5. Frozen Slider Minigame: Collect 10 Treasures in Frozen Slider
6. Gummi Ship: Defeat Omega Space Ship in The Eclipse Galaxy
7. Moogle Shop Postcard: Mail postcard for chance to win Orichalcum+ (random)

As far as what seems reasonable to be canonically obtained, a Treasure Chest in The Caribbean seems reasonable. Lucky Emblems, somewhat so; The party point out many spots where Lucky Emblems are found, & there's a cutscene in early Twilight Town where Olette brings them up, so it could be reasonable Sora & co. are looking for them. Sending at least one postcard (RNG), I'm not sure about.

Flantastic Seven: I'm not sure if these can be done on the first visit to their worlds. Also, doesn't canon Sora hate Heartless? Not all of them focus on defeating the Flan, but him doing Minigames like stacking them or bouncing on them or taking nice photos seems a little OoC, even if Sora is fun-loving.

Defeating the Omega Machina/Omega Space Ship requires going to the Eclipse Galaxy & beating 4 other bosses, then beating it. Maybe not OoC or contradictory, but notable.

The most problematic, lorewise, is getting the The Final World Orichalcum+. As far as I know, it doesn't appear during the first visit, & to go there for the treasure chest, you just take a portal. Considering The Final World is where one goes when they die, that is, when their Heart and Body perish, being able to revisit at all seems to kinda break internal logic.

Also, a Treasure Chest in The Final World seems strange. We don't see much of inanimate matter (Besides the clouds/sky, switches & the area Sora navigates to get his pieces back together.) there, & again, if you go there by having your Heart and Body perish, how did a Treasure Chest get there?

Somewhat notably, when Sora offers to help Chirithy gather its pieces together like Sora did for himself, so that Chirithy can leave, too, Chirithy tells Sora "I don't work like that". Everyone else Sora interacts with in TFW is a sparkly star thing.


But, if Ultima Weapon DOES get involved, here's a nicely in-depth video about Ultimate Form's attacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-FSpLAr7Hs Interestingly, the weapons it summons are called "Blades of Light" & there are several different designs; The designs of the BoL don't seem to be random.

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Dante high-diffs FRA

 

[Bobsican]

What Dante can do against Sleepga (aka, put him to sleep)?

 

[Schnee_One]

One shotting before happens assuming it's in character

Even then that depends on how long it lasts.

 

[Bobsican]

Enought to actually combo him while it lasts, as it´s quite a deep sleep.

And it has a quite wide and fastly done (like a shockwave) range

 

[Schnee_One]

Combo won't work due to the Durability gap and Regenerationn

He needs to use Erasure to finish him

 

[Bobsican]

He can also use the Poison and Time Bomb spells to ignore dura.

And if Sora notices his damage output isn´t enought, he´ll start using the actual hax.

 

[Schnee_One]

Poison might work if it isn't covered by regen.

Depends on if Sora will go for the kill soon enough

 

[Bobsican]

Well, how much time he virtually has to do so before just not being able to keep up?

How the Poison speel looks

The Time Bomb description is accurate, the inflicted one is simply one shotted by it

 

[Schnee_One]

?

Poison will hurt but it won't kill, it will probably get negged by regen

 

[HST_Master]

If Dante one shots him Sora has Ressurection and can subsequently use Warp. He can even imbue his strikes with it.

 

[Schnee_One]

I geniuenely don't see how ressurection will save him from being one shotted unless it's something like Soul based or some shiz.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Dante resists BFR.

 

[Dienomite22]

Time Bomb can be negged by quicksilver since it has a timer and he can just smack Sora or Dante being close to Sora will just cause the time bomb to kill him as well.

 

[Bobsican]

Regen includes for that sort of stuff? Assuming so...

Well, Sora can also use Bind to keep him in place, Confuse to leave him... confused, Mini to reduce him to a size that considerably decreases all his stats and allow Sora to harm him by even stepping on him,

There´s also the Keyblade techniques, like Zantetsuken, Sonic Blade, Ars Arcanum, Salvation and Drain Dive as the most notable from the top of my head.

Oh, as for Sora´s summons, most (if not all) of them are not really noteworthy besides even more attack variety, combos.and a somewhat increase in durability.

 

[Bobsican]

Time Bomb can be negged by quicksilver since it has a timer and he can just smack Sora or Dante being close to Sora will just cause the time bomb to kill him as well.

The explosion itself doesn´t do that much damage to nearby opponets, however...

 

[Bobsican]

I geniuenely don't see how ressurection will save him from being one shotted unless it's something like Soul based or some shiz.

It´s based on causality manip, which is obviously beyond Dante, but neither Sora nor Dante will get any experience from the match if that happens, as "it did never happen" to begin with.

Meaning that for Dante to win, he has to do something that doesn´t involve just killing him.

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

So sealing. Not a problem for Dante then.

And if Dante resists BFR, then I'll change my opinion to completely in favor of Dante.

I can see the fight going down one way: Dante oneshots Sora, Sora gets back up using his ressurection, Dante realizes that Sora won't die and seals him away.

 

[Bobsican]

He won´t be able to realize as the match up to that point would be "retconned" pretty much.

And how the sealing works?

 

[HST_Master]

It´s based on causality manip, which is obviously beyond Dante, but neither Sora nor Dante will get any experience from the match if that happens, as "it did never happen" to begin with.

Meaning that for Dante to win, he has to do something that doesn´t involve just killing him.

I'm not talking about that....I'm referring to Auto Life

@Schnee

And why not exaclty? Warp is casted directly on the target.

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Well in that case, it's just and endless battle. Sora can't actually do too much to Dante, and everytime Sora makes a mistake, he dies almost immediatly. Add on to the fact that Dante resists a fair amount of the things Sora can throw at him, I'd still say Dante would just be an impossible wall.

And we don't fully know, but he sealed another 3-A character into another universe after defeating them.

 

[Schnee_One]

@hst ?

 

[HST_Master]

I geniuenely don't see how ressurection will save him from being one shotted unless it's something like Soul based or some shiz.

^ Im reffering to this, unless Dante showed Ress negation in 5 (I haven't played 5)

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Well, Sora still gets oneshotted, but he comes back into the fight and gets oneshotted again.