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Literally wrong on his profile. Read how this weapon works https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Centaur_Flash
Dude, if you're arguing about a certain ability, don't just look at the profile, at least look at how weapon works
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Sonic Vs Megaman (CONCLUDED)
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Dude, if you're arguing about a certain ability, don't just look at the profile, at least look at how weapon works
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Searched and yes, it's on his profile.
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In this profile: "Centaur Flash, known as Kentauros Flash (ケンタウロスフラッシュ, Kentaurosu Furasshu) in Japan, is Centaur Man's Special Weapon from Mega Man 6. When used by Centaur Man, he creates a dimensional distortion in a flash of light that freezes Mega Man in place, much like Time Stopper and Flash Stopper from previous games".
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Sonic's resistance to time manip is BS btw. Moving in a place where there's no time is totally different than moving in stopped time. Time switch is game mechanics, of course Sonic isn't affected by his own power up. And Sonic was affected by time stop in all other instances
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How... does this imply he stops time? Mega Man and Bass CD data even states that it warps space. It freezing mega man in space just means he has to stop to use it lol
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“Centaur Flash, known as Kentauros Flash (ケンタウロスフラッシュ, Kentaurosu Furasshu) in Japan, is Centaur Man's Special Weapon from Mega Man 6. When used by Centaur Man, he creates a dimensional distortion in a flash of light that freezes Mega Man in place, much like Time Stopper and Flash Stopperfrom previous games.“
Yeah much like the Time Stopper. You played yourself on this one.
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READ THE PROFILE. It states that it freezes Mega Man in place as he has to use it. Look at gameplay of centaur flash holy hell. You people taking stuff out of context is so ridiculous
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Having the same end result does not equal it having the same process, just look at Plot Manipulation and Fate Manipulation, or Ice Manipulation and Cold Manipulation, etc etc.
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Uhhhhh, all others is Shadow's chaos control?
I don't remember any other occasion of not resisting time stop, although that makes chaos control more potency as ability to "negate" a resistance to time stop. That was said above and before adding a resistance to time stop it was disscused.
So it makes a situation even worse for Megaman cause he can't move(and yes I looked on gameplay)?
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He has to momentarily stop to use the weapon. That's it
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Also, Sonic never even starts with hax. 3.5 isn't enough to one shot but the Rock dealing like two hits to KO Sonic before he busts out the hax he doesn't even use much is very likely
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So...imma jump out of retirement to throw my hat to the robot.
Stupidly high versatility and range, better intelligence, and if Rock is indeed 3.5 stronger, Metal Blade will cut through him like butter due to like...how sharp things work.
(Yes, I did the one thing I said I'd never do because I stan Rock)
Stupidly high versatility and range, better intelligence, and if Rock is indeed 3.5 stronger, Metal Blade will cut through him like butter due to like...how sharp things work.
(Yes, I did the one thing I said I'd never do because I stan Rock)
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So technically it's not much useful as it stops megaman to shoot a weapon which can be used 7 times only.
Technically we don't know much about it for sure since sonic in some showed occasions used hax in some don't and most of situations we can see is basically a player's decision(although in sonic colors he usually used wisps). By same logic megaman doesn't start with hax, because he never showed to use hax in first occasion if I would use every Megaman cutscene that I remember.
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Mega Man's thing is adapting to opponent and figuring out weaknesses, way more so than Sonic
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Mega Man can refill his weapons with special tanks. 7 shots would be more than enough to kill sonic, and in MM11 he even got a device that gave him infinite ammo
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Just because it seems like it's been ignored.
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Sonic has also been shown to learn and adapt quickly to new situations, which allows him to notice patterns in his opponent's style and adapt to engage them in combat.
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Btw why are we assuming both are going to hax the other to death? One is a lemon shooter and the other is a spindasher.
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Not so much as Mega Man. Sonic is prone to fight with speed and force at first
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Mega Man's thing is figuring weaknesses, so he might hax. Sonic is far less likely to do it, even tho he does sometimes use weaknesses, more often than not he doesn't
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
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In that case Mega Man just overpowers and outarsenals
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Actually, it says Centaur Man uses it to freeze Mega Man in place.
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Yeah Rock doesn't resist timestop. Which is funny because like, almost every MM2&6 Robot Master resists it.
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Mostly when we see sonic it's gameplay, so technically it's under player's decision. Most cutscenes of sonic we see he talks. In battle we see in gameplay he usually used his own techniques(which is I can say at least 1/3 of Sonic's hax) rather than arsenal, but I'll say after time he can decide to use an arsenal, just like with sonic colors.
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Seconding this
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First of all, this OP is weird and vague. Sonic is 5-A but which one when there are three 5-A keys on his profile? As such, it seems people are drawing from the abilities and or stats of all three keys and just giving them to Sonic for free while Mega Man just sits there. If that's not the case, then it's still confusing overall for the debate since we don't know which Sonic is used here specifically and mix ups are bound to happen. Doesn't seem very fair. It seems like whoever made this made several other Sonic versus threads (some of which were stomps) for the chance to give him wins- oh wait. But I digress.
Also, I just wanna say a few things. I don't understand how Sonic being an expert at CQC is one of the bigger factors when he's literally fighting an expert on projectile combat. An expert CQC versus an expert marksman? Seems like they cancel out if you ask me, which then brings their other abilities into question.
Ring Time? Seriously? The ability that turns fodder enemies into rings? That's kinda like saying Mario can just one-shot anyone by stomping on their head cause he does so to fodder Goombas and Koopas. If you're going to use that, then Mega Man can use an M Tank when his health is full to just make Sonic into a 1-UP. See how ridiculous that sounds? Especially when Sonic is fighting an enemy who's slightly stronger than him in this case. That's just an insult.
Sonic having mid regen and resistance to being frozen and generic ice are easily stumped by Mega Man's nigh-AZ to AZ weapons. Sonic has no resistance to that whatsoever.
Sonic has more experience because he fought a character who had more experience than him? Is this an RPG game or something? So, you're telling me Sonic gains Emerl's thousands of years experience from beating him? If that's what's being implied then that's not how it works. Me beating up a WWII veteran or just a Marine in general doesn't mean I gain the experience and training they've gained or something.
Also, PSA to everyone who doesn't understand Centaur Flash. It's a weapon that stops time for a split second to warp space and damage everyone in Mega Man's vicinity while bypassing conventional defenses like shields and armor. It's a space-time weapon generally speaking. So no, it's not like Time Stopper (which is just time stop) or Flash Stopper (which isn't time-related at all). If anyone delved deeper into the mechanics of the weapon as opposed to just glancing at the summary on the wiki page or Mega Man's crappy outdated profile and trying to make someone else look like a fool, then there wouldn't be a problem. Also, Centaur Flash stops time for a split second for everything, so Mega Man, as well as everything else, not being able to move for a split second isn't detrimental to Mega Man more so than it is anyone else.
What is this argument that "Sonic has fought robots his entire life?" What is that? As if comparing the wacky fodder robots to Mega Man is a just comparison. That's in addition to Sonic also being "used" to weapons like Mega Man's. The same could be said for Mega Man and how he resists black holes, petrification, elemental weapons, hacking and several other natural resistances due to being a robot and not a biological being. Both cancel each other out pretty well here albeit they have small advantages here and there with certain abilities. Mega Man has never fought someone like Sonic? Well, Sonic has never fought someone just like Mega Man. The things being argued for Sonic can also be argued for Mega Man as well.
Mega Man and Sonic both have similar tactics. They both adapt to their opponents fighting styles and they're both intelligent overall in combat. But obviously, I'll vouch for Mega Man. Mega Man adapts to his opponent's fighting styles quickly and, based on their combat style or weaknesses, he's very resourceful in that he uses just the right weapon to put his enemies down fast. For example, Tengu Man's flight was stopped when Mega Man froze his feet to the ground. Quick Man's speed was trumped when Mega Man decided to stop time and use his speed against him. Pharaoh Man's emergency systems were taken advantage of when Mega Man used Flash Stopper to emit a light powerful enough to active said emergency systems and cause Pharaoh Man to freeze in place and leave him vulnerable to attack. This is what Mega Man does (which is apparent from ALL of his games) and it's apparent he's very good at finding weaknesses. Hell, Mega Man was even smart enough to predict where Flash Man would appear after a time stop and destroyed him by shooting at the predicted spot where he would appear (this is how Mega Man works his way around time stop and Mega Man has fought under the effects of being slowed down in time too). Mega Man is so intelligent and lethal in combat that he defeats new and powerful enemies designed to be powerful than him in all aspects on usually his first attempts. This lead to him defeating foes like Sunstar even without any weaknesses. This is what Sonic is up against and I've yet to see what he can do against this.
And Double Gear System anyone? Mega Man literally quadruples his overall speed (combat speed, running speed, reactions, etc.) and can use it as many times as he wants (granted he doesn't activate his cool down). Also, his overall AP is boosted as well possibly to the same degree as Speed Gear (probably).
So I vote Mega Man due to high versality to get him out of a lot of sticky situations, superior range, significant stat boosts to his AP and speed, arguably better combat intelligence, AZ, his own resistances to Sonic's arsenal as well as other miscellaneous weapons like attack reflection, corrosion/acid, AoE/screen-nuke attacks, weather manipulation and some small other weapons that could prove useful.
Also, I just wanna say a few things. I don't understand how Sonic being an expert at CQC is one of the bigger factors when he's literally fighting an expert on projectile combat. An expert CQC versus an expert marksman? Seems like they cancel out if you ask me, which then brings their other abilities into question.
Ring Time? Seriously? The ability that turns fodder enemies into rings? That's kinda like saying Mario can just one-shot anyone by stomping on their head cause he does so to fodder Goombas and Koopas. If you're going to use that, then Mega Man can use an M Tank when his health is full to just make Sonic into a 1-UP. See how ridiculous that sounds? Especially when Sonic is fighting an enemy who's slightly stronger than him in this case. That's just an insult.
Sonic having mid regen and resistance to being frozen and generic ice are easily stumped by Mega Man's nigh-AZ to AZ weapons. Sonic has no resistance to that whatsoever.
Sonic has more experience because he fought a character who had more experience than him? Is this an RPG game or something? So, you're telling me Sonic gains Emerl's thousands of years experience from beating him? If that's what's being implied then that's not how it works. Me beating up a WWII veteran or just a Marine in general doesn't mean I gain the experience and training they've gained or something.
Also, PSA to everyone who doesn't understand Centaur Flash. It's a weapon that stops time for a split second to warp space and damage everyone in Mega Man's vicinity while bypassing conventional defenses like shields and armor. It's a space-time weapon generally speaking. So no, it's not like Time Stopper (which is just time stop) or Flash Stopper (which isn't time-related at all). If anyone delved deeper into the mechanics of the weapon as opposed to just glancing at the summary on the wiki page or Mega Man's crappy outdated profile and trying to make someone else look like a fool, then there wouldn't be a problem. Also, Centaur Flash stops time for a split second for everything, so Mega Man, as well as everything else, not being able to move for a split second isn't detrimental to Mega Man more so than it is anyone else.
What is this argument that "Sonic has fought robots his entire life?" What is that? As if comparing the wacky fodder robots to Mega Man is a just comparison. That's in addition to Sonic also being "used" to weapons like Mega Man's. The same could be said for Mega Man and how he resists black holes, petrification, elemental weapons, hacking and several other natural resistances due to being a robot and not a biological being. Both cancel each other out pretty well here albeit they have small advantages here and there with certain abilities. Mega Man has never fought someone like Sonic? Well, Sonic has never fought someone just like Mega Man. The things being argued for Sonic can also be argued for Mega Man as well.
Mega Man and Sonic both have similar tactics. They both adapt to their opponents fighting styles and they're both intelligent overall in combat. But obviously, I'll vouch for Mega Man. Mega Man adapts to his opponent's fighting styles quickly and, based on their combat style or weaknesses, he's very resourceful in that he uses just the right weapon to put his enemies down fast. For example, Tengu Man's flight was stopped when Mega Man froze his feet to the ground. Quick Man's speed was trumped when Mega Man decided to stop time and use his speed against him. Pharaoh Man's emergency systems were taken advantage of when Mega Man used Flash Stopper to emit a light powerful enough to active said emergency systems and cause Pharaoh Man to freeze in place and leave him vulnerable to attack. This is what Mega Man does (which is apparent from ALL of his games) and it's apparent he's very good at finding weaknesses. Hell, Mega Man was even smart enough to predict where Flash Man would appear after a time stop and destroyed him by shooting at the predicted spot where he would appear (this is how Mega Man works his way around time stop and Mega Man has fought under the effects of being slowed down in time too). Mega Man is so intelligent and lethal in combat that he defeats new and powerful enemies designed to be powerful than him in all aspects on usually his first attempts. This lead to him defeating foes like Sunstar even without any weaknesses. This is what Sonic is up against and I've yet to see what he can do against this.
And Double Gear System anyone? Mega Man literally quadruples his overall speed (combat speed, running speed, reactions, etc.) and can use it as many times as he wants (granted he doesn't activate his cool down). Also, his overall AP is boosted as well possibly to the same degree as Speed Gear (probably).
So I vote Mega Man due to high versality to get him out of a lot of sticky situations, superior range, significant stat boosts to his AP and speed, arguably better combat intelligence, AZ, his own resistances to Sonic's arsenal as well as other miscellaneous weapons like attack reflection, corrosion/acid, AoE/screen-nuke attacks, weather manipulation and some small other weapons that could prove useful.
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The ability needs to be on the profile to be a viable win condition.
You keep saying “Rock has other durability negating options!” but all you’ve mentioned is Centaur Flash.
And what exactly am I stonewalling?
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What stops Sonic from just dodging?
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wow uh, can people still vote during grace ? and what happens if the votes turn into megaman winning?
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Yes.
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Yes, but it would take it out of Grace. If the votes turn into Mega Man winning with a 3+ vote lead, then grace will be entered again, or vice versa.
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So, what is is the vote ratio?
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i think 7-3 since no one voted for megaman after the 3 votes
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ok so is anyone voting megaman?
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"So I vote Mega Man due to high versality to get him out of a lot of sticky situations, superior range, significant stat boosts to his AP and speed, arguably better combat intelligence, AZ, his own resistances to Sonic's arsenal as well as other miscellaneous weapons like attack reflection, corrosion/acid, AoE/screen-nuke attacks, weather manipulation and some small other weapons that could prove useful."
It's at least 7-4 rn because of X_Squared's vote.
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oh aight. 7-4 then. i guess grace is gone now
