Sonic vs Garou version 2.0 (10-0-1)

[sanicspood]

Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic X)

Sonic the Hedgehog (ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグ Sonikku za Hejjihoggu) is the main isekai protagonist and hero of the Sonic X anime and comics published by Archie Comics. One night, Sonic was battling his arch nemesis, Dr. Eggman Robotnik, like any other day. The Doctor kidnapped Cream the Rabbit and was...

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Garou

Garou (ガロウ, Garō) is a former disciple of Bang and was considered a prodigy. But one day, he was kicked out from his dojo for going on a rampage once he got bored with everyone. He's one of the strongest characters in the series and plays a major role as the main villain in the Hero Hunt arc...

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both are 6-c (dark sonic vs pre awakening garou)
speed equal

sonic: 10

garou:

inconclusive: 1

 

[ElixirBlue]

What's the AP difference?

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Dark Sonic upscales from 30.9 gigatons while Garou has a 5.4 gigaton calc on his page

 

[Nierre]

...stomp?

 

[sanicspood]

its not a oneshot, besides garou has several stuff to keep him in and probably even close the ap gap slightly

 

[King]

Make speed unequal to make it more fair for Garou.

 

[sanicspood]

How would that make it more fair for garou? He’d get blitzed before he passively gets faster

 

[King]

How would that make it more fair for garou? He’d get blitzed before he passively gets faster

Isn't Dark Sonic 1.4 c and Garou 4.33 c?
Garou's 6 C key is the one that performed the Light Speed feat so he starts with 4.33c.

 

[King]

Also, the near one-shot gap doesn't amount to much as Garou can also one-shot with Durability Negation.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Yeah I think despite Sonic’s AP advantage I think this is a skill/haxstomp in Garou’s favor…

• Garou is able to deflect the strength an opponent back on them two-fold, enabling Garou to effectively use Sonic’s AP advantage his benefit.
• He can use Pressure Point Strikes to disable Sonic by striking joints and vital spots
• Instinctive Reactions enable his body to evade attacks autonomously. This combined with his Analytical Prediction and rapidly increasing speed will make him untouchable with speed equalized
• Aura Sky Ripping Fist ignores durability
• Low-Mid Regeneration would heal any grievous injuries if Sonic somehow managed to land a blow despite Garou’s edge in skill, Instinctive Reactions and greater speed via evolution.
• Last but certainly not least, Garou’s Reactive Power level will close the AP gap and even enable him to far surpass Sonic give time (the guy jumped from 6-C to 6-A in a couple chapters lol)

…What is Sonic supposed to do here?

 

[King]

Voting Garou FRA.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

This is a stomp

 

[ElixirBlue]

Tho, as Dark Sonic is Berserk mode Sonic, he does have access to his other moves he tends to not do in character, like Time Stop and Teleportation.

 

[King]

Tho, as Dark Sonic is Berserk mode Sonic, he does have access to his other moves he tends to not do in character, like Time Stop and Teleportation.

But isn't that specifically with Chaos Emeralds? Is the emerald standard gear?

 

[ElixirBlue]

Dark Sonic is a transformation using a bunch of Fake Chaos Emeralds. Sonic has used Teleportation using a fake emerald in the SA2 adaptation, just as well as using a real emerald would give him.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Actually, based on that, I’m going for Sonic

Sonic FRA

 

[King]

Dark Sonic is a transformation using a bunch of Fake Chaos Emeralds. Sonic has used Teleportation using a fake emerald in the SA2 adaptation, just as well as using a real emerald would give him.

So, does he use Time Stop regularly to defeat his opponents? What is the nature of this ability?

 

[ElixirBlue]

So, does he use Time Stop regularly to defeat his opponents? What is the nature of this ability?

Sonic’s ability as a character, is if he knows it’s possible, he can replicate it. It’s how he can cross dimensions as Super Sonic, without ever training or practicing at it because he learned it was possible from episode 1 and the Season 2 finale.

 

[King]

Oh well. Garou doesn't have a counter to time-stop.
Sonic FRA.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Oh, that kinda circumvents Garou’s combat abilities oof

Sonic FRA

 

[King]

So, stomp in Sonic's favor. I don't think this can go in the profiles.

 

[Theuser789]

Edgy Sonic FRA

 

[sanicspood]

Is this a stomp or not a a stomp

 

[King]

Is this a stomp or not a a stomp

Stomp as Garou can't do anything against Time Stop.

 

[Theuser789]

It was stomp when nobody remembered Sonic had access to Time Stop. Garou can still win, since Dark Sonic didn’t even use Time Stop as his opening move and Garou still has his reactive evolution and skill to have a chance to win before Dark Sonic uses Time Stop.

 

[rawXDglomp]

Dark Sonic was literally used in 1 scene where he killed 2 robots who were vaguely too hard to beat normally. Him using chaos control with fake emeralds in the games doesn't matter. This is not game sonic. This sonic has no feats that he'd 'use powers he doesn't use IC'. I don't think sonic x fake emeralds even have feats of being used for timestop and the like. Its a completely arbitarily scaled form that is somewhere from 2x as strong as sonic and only shown ic attack was to speed blitz.

Even in Sonic X, in the image posted above, that is Shadow, not Sonic. Its not IC for Sonic to go for timestop, its not backed up by literally anything that he can timestop with fake emeralds from my memory.
The entire argument so far is

• Sonic is stronger but we don't know how much
• He will act OOC because I said so, based on nothing, directly contradicting his actions the one time he went dark sonic
• Fake emeralds can do what normal ones can do because they did so in an entirely seperate verse
• He will timestop, which he basically never does, because I said so

Oh and even in that scene his 'berserk' lasted the whole of 2 attacks before he immeidately calmed down because his own nemesis told him to. So its questionable to even call it a berserk mode. He basically just threw a tantrum.

 

[King]

Dark Sonic was literally used in 1 scene where he killed 2 robots who were vaguely too hard to beat normally. Him using chaos control with fake emeralds in the games doesn't matter. This is not game sonic. This sonic has no feats that he'd 'use powers he doesn't use IC'. I don't think sonic x fake emeralds even have feats of being used for timestop and the like. Its a completely arbitarily scaled form that is somewhere from 2x as strong as sonic and only shown ic attack was to speed blitz.

Even in Sonic X, in the image posted above, that is Shadow, not Sonic. Its not IC for Sonic to go for timestop, its not backed up by literally anything that he can timestop with fake emeralds from my memory.
The entire argument so far is

• Sonic is stronger but we don't know how much
• He will act OOC because I said so, based on nothing, directly contradicting his actions the one time he went dark sonic
• Fake emeralds can do what normal ones can do because they did so in an entirely seperate verse
• He will timestop, which he basically never does, because I said so

Oh and even in that scene his 'berserk' lasted the whole of 2 attacks before he immeidately calmed down because his own nemesis told him to. So its questionable to even call it a berserk mode. He basically just threw a tantrum.

So, I guess I'll wait for input. I'm going inconclusive for now. i don't know nearly enough about Sonic.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Sonic is stronger but we don't know how much

I’ll let @ElixirBlue speak for himself on the other points (it sounds like you’re majorly strawmanning him lmao) but this one is pure bullshit, we do by how much he exceeds Garou.

• Garou = 5.4 Gigatons of TNT
• Sonic = 30 Gigatons of TNT

So Sonic is 5.5x stronger. Not enough to pull a Saitama but a barrage of attacks would brutalize Garou.

 

[rawXDglomp]

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I was talking about dark sonic form. Sonic, in that form, is stronger than base, but we don't have any concrete numbers on how much stronger, as he used it in literally 1 like 30 second long scene.

 

[ShakeResounding]

And YOU need to work on your attitude adjustment, prick. Don't come on a thread strawmanning an entire argument with sarcasm and then go insulting people on top of that.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

You need to work on your reading comprehension.

No need to be a dick for no reason lol

I was talking about dark sonic form. Sonic, in that form, is stronger than base, but we don't have any concrete numbers on how much stronger, as he used it in literally 1 like 30 second long scene.

Anyway, you listed the claim “Sonic is stronger but we don't know how much” in your list of bullet points of @ElixirBlue’s arguments (or your interpretation of them, anyway), so if you weren’t referring to an argument Elixir made you should work on structuring your arguments better to avoid miscommunication.

 

[rawXDglomp]

No need to be a dick for no reason lol

Anyway, you listed the claim “Sonic is stronger but we don't know how much” in a list of bullet points of @ElixirBlue’s arguments (or your interpretation of them, anyway), so if you weren’t referring to an argument Elixir made you should work on structuring your arguments better to avoid miscommunication.

No.
If I was countering his point, I would have quoted him. Not sure why you think you can just dictate what my posts are for me. I wasn't replying to anyone in particular with that post, but the general weird concensous the thread had reached that Dark Sonic can do things he's never been hinted to be able to do and will do them despite his only showing being a speed blitz.


Anyways this is the only scene of dark sonic. 2:30 to 3:17 or so. He literally just kills 2 robots and immediately calms down. He doesn't timestop, or show an intent to do so, or capability to do so. He's not even berserk. He's just pissed off but to such a small degree eggman gets him to calm down with 2 words.

 

[sanicspood]

So, I guess I'll wait for input. I'm going inconclusive for now. i don't know nearly enough about Sonic.

Counted

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Not sure why you think you can just dictate what my posts are for me.

Never said or implied such, mate, it was just a misunderstanding. Get over yourself.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Dark Sonic was literally used in 1 scene where he killed 2 robots who were vaguely too hard to beat normally. Him using chaos control with fake emeralds in the games doesn't matter. This is not game sonic. This sonic has no feats that he'd 'use powers he doesn't use IC'.

Nah, dude, solely using Sonic X for arguments. Luckily, Sonic X adapted SA2 and X Sonic has displayed more willingness to use Hax is combat unlike Game, like the use of deconstruction against Perfect Chaos.

Dark Sonic is Base X Sonic plus in Berserker form. It’s an angrier version of Sonic who’s already comfortable using Haxes when he is calm, like Dimensional Travel or sending the Chaos Emeralds across the Universe.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

both are 6-c

And FTL
And Class T
Wow

 

[ElixirBlue]

I don't think sonic x fake emeralds even have feats of being used for timestop and the like.

They displayed Teleportation and X Shadow was surprised Sonic could use Chaos Control from a fake Emerald. Chaos Control is not 1 ability. It’s control over the energy present in the Emerald, which is Space-Time. Sonic’s doing Chaos Control with a Fake Emerald means it has properties of Space-Time, since they aren’t mutually exclusive.

 

[ElixirBlue]

And FTL
And Class T
Wow

Close fight, with both having ability advantages over the other :V

 

[ElixirBlue]

Even in Sonic X, in the image posted above, that is Shadow, not Sonic. Its not IC for Sonic to go for timestop, its not backed up by literally anything that he can timestop with fake emeralds from my memory.

Sonic doesn’t need to show it to know he is capable of it. He learned and replicated Chaos Control from Shadow by being aware it was an ability existed, without knowing if he was capable of, to teleport. Then he used Chaos Control for Dimensional travel with no issue, despite the only ones capable of Dimensional Travel to teach Sonic it was possible with the Chaos Emeralds were machines.

Sonic is capable of replicating Time Stop, since he knows Shadow can do it.

 

[Nierre]

sonic fra