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Sonic Vs Darkrai( Sonic the hedgehog Vs Pokémon)
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SonicBayo1999
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Idk why we discussing invulnerability when we talking about Darkrai here. So Darkrai FRA
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Honestly, I'm pretty sure it's a stomp since Darkrai's Dark void is passive and Sonic has no resistance to it, meaning Sonic can't do anything.
Even if it's not passive, Sonic still can't do anything against Dark Void and has to rely on ooc moves to even has a chance to win. So how is that fair?
Even if it's not passive, Sonic still can't do anything against Dark Void and has to rely on ooc moves to even has a chance to win. So how is that fair?
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Wouldn't bloodlusting Super Sonic help (Also, exactly how far do Pokemon scale in 2-B? I was for some reason under the impression they scaled to millions based on the games sold)?
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It's not passive...
And Darkrai dark void is dammaku so Sonic can avoid it and use his CM 1 to hit Darkrai
The only problem is that if he gets hit by dark void it's duke out slam for Sonic
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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These aren't in character for Sonic to use, and danmaku that induces sleep means Sonic can barely do anything here. He only has a chance to win if he acts in very ooc way. Overall, this is still stompish since to even have Sonic stand a chance you'd have to make him ooc
Bloodlusting may solve this issue, as it just turns into a question of would Sonic be able to hax Darkrai before the latter puts him to eternal sleep, but even then I'm not sure if it'll be fair or just reverse the stomp in Sonic's favor
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From what I heard Sonics CM1 works as to just attacking you as he could damage that Moon thing
So sonic doesn't need to activate it for it to work
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Conceptual manipulation type 1
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How is it out of character to try to charge towards Darkrai to hit Darkrai?
Sonic always fights like that in his super form
Even when he's against the moon
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Because he'd instantly be put to sleep by a danmaku Dark Void? For Sonic to pull a win he has to pull his haxes, which are ooc for him use immediately
That said, considering Dark Void is blocked by protect, meaning it doesn't bypass forcefields, there's a case of the boost actually protecting Sonic. If that's the case, Then Darkrai pretty much has nothing else against Sonic as besides AP, sleep is all he has
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The only time we see Dark void is shielded was from Dialga and Palkia
Darkrai has hypnosis which bypasses forcefields and Dark void doesn't have to even be a projectile(it can be a portal that is summoned below the target)
Sonic would have to try to avoid all of this to land a strike on Darkrai
Gilad_Hyperstar
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And? The move can be blocked by protect
Hypnosis needs to have Sonic before Darkrai for it to work, and it can also miss. It has low accurcy
How fast is the summoning? If it's thought based then Darkrai stomps if Sonic can't even dodge that.
So how is it even fair? For Sonic to stand a chance you basically require him to act in ways ooc for him, and dodge something thought based right below him. There's just no wincon for Sonic here.
At this point you really can't come with a single reason to how this is fair
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Sonic has dealt with dammaku before via the End so Sonic can work around that
The only problem Sonic will have is that Darkrai will use thought based sleep hax if Dark void would not work which is avoidable
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Solaris isn't a abstract being and neither is Gaia
It's just the End
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I kinda forgot, Boost may help a lot here since I got it accepted as an 8x increase which is beyond blitzing range. Though I don't know if a CRT needs to be applied for it to be accepted.
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Darkrai also has stat amp that increases 2x ever time it uses it
Doesn't really matter for Darkrai tho because sleep hax is it's specialty
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You talking about Nasty plot that raises their Sp. Atk two stages? I don't think they've got a move that raises their speed two stages.
Either way, Sonic's gives him a faster boost in a shorter timeframe. It is in character for him to use it and would allow him to quickly close any gap between them and from there blitz Darkrai.
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Sonic already would've gotten hit by dark void which is what Darkrai leads with if he tries to power up
Gilad_Hyperstar
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How fast is the activation? Since if Dark Void is thought based and spawns right beneath him, Sonic is stomped
But, now that I think about it, Dark Void only work like that in the games. Nowhere else it looks like that so the animation may be game mechanics, and Sonic can counter the danmaku with his boost
Hypnosis also requires Darkrai to be in front of Sonic, which still doesn't mean it'll hit due to low accurcy
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It's not a stomp if Sonic has a wincon and that is CM1
I'm gonna have to read the stomp forum
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It is instant but Darkrais sleep hax works as either projectiles or a portal that is avoidable
Sonic can dodge these because of his experience with The End
So the matchup will not be easy but not instant and a stomp
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Ah, if it's avoidable, then fair, it wouldn't be a stomp. But if that's the case, I think Sonic's great athleticism, ability to avoid danmaku, teleportation (Via Chaos Control, he could also stop time too I suppose), in addition to the speed amp granted via boost would allow him to land one hit on Darkrai which should be enough given how his Concept Manipulation seems to work.
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Given how Sonic has to do all of that perfectly, while Darkrai only has to hit him once, I think Darkai should win a vast majority of the time
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But the problem is that it's constant dammaku spam
How does Sonic stat amp work?
Is it passive?
Does he even start with it?
And even if he were to get up close Darkrai would use Hypnosis which is thought based and has the range to affect Sonic from far while he's avoiding Dark void spams
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He basically "wills" himself to go faster. He can boost whenever he wants and it amps his speed by 8x. This would not only allow him to blitz Darkrai once he gets in close, but he'd also be able to far more easily evade danmaku since he'd be so many times faster than said projectiles. If Sonic felt like there were too many projectiles to dodge, he may just instead teleport to Darkrai or teleport their projectiles away (Super Sonic is able to Chaos Control other things to different locations after all, like in SA2).
Gilad_Hyperstar
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If the portal opens right beneth him, it's not avoidable, especially if it's thought based
But then again, it was only shown like that in the game animations, which is likely a case of game mechanics. Everywhere else the move didn't appear like that, which greatly changes the outcome
If that's how Dark Void works, Sonic literally can't EVER do anything before he immediately falls asleep, but if this is indeed just a case of game mechanics animations, then Sonic can dodge it with the boost
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Darkrai pretty much has a move that completely erases the stat changes of target like even if it's by multiple stages
Not only that but Darkrai can become intangible at will and due to it's genius intelligence it will use it's moves and hax to it's advantage if Sonic would try to pull something off like increasing his stats
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I dunno if they could even pull off that move before being blitzed tho. With an 8x increase, he pretty much moves faster than they can think of using a move. Not to mention, Sonic could simply start boosting again to get the amp back, as long as he has energy is capable of continuously using it.
I believe Sonic can also interact with intangible characters like Knuckles. Tho I'm not 100% sure of that. But again, Sonic could probs blitz before they consider going intangible (Or Sonic could counter with Chaos Control and just like stop them in time or smth).
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He can. It's on his profile. He can interact with ghosts and such, so Darkrai being intangible won't help it
Gilad_Hyperstar
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And also Knuckles has intangible?
Where?
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So basically, in most modern sonic games, holding the x button causes Sonic to boost. This instantly shoots Sonic up to super high speeds. If it helps, here's a clip. It's something he uses all the time in Modern games.
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