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Sonic the hedgehog abilities

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@omegabronic It was argued towards JJ, you responded it for whatever reason.

It’s stated that they needed to kill it in the past present and future, and that killing it here would do nothing, it doesn’t remotely mention super forms having this as an innate ability.

Ok so that just proves my point even more that the game mechanic argument JJ was making made even less sense when it’s stated in the guidebook that he couldn’t do it by himself. Still not convinced this is something any super form can do on their own and at best needs numerous other folks to help them out with.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@omegabronic It was argued towards JJ, you responded it for whatever reason.
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I see, sorry for that

Theglassman12 said:
It’s stated that they needed to kill it in the past present and future, and that killing it here would do nothing, it doesn’t remotely mention super forms having this as an innate ability.
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"If you say it exists in the past, present and future, i'll destroy them all at once"
Besides, if it is said that they needed to destroy his entire history to defeat him, and then they do just that.......well, the conclusion is extremely obvious, they attacked him and destroyed him across his entire history, you can't get more blatant than that

Theglassman12 said:
Ok so that just proves my point even more that the game mechanic argument JJ was making made even less sense when it’s stated in the guidebook that he couldn’t do it by himself. Still not convinced this is something any super form can do on their own and at best needs numerous other folks to help them out with.
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Each super form can deal sustainig damage to Solaris, which is only possible if they attack him in all of his history or else he would only be harmed in 1 period instead of his entire being

I have repeated this......over and over, and you didn't once akcnowledged it, you keep going on circles repeating the same stuff, you didn't countered the main argument
 
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@CloverDragon03 Which means they cannot do it by themselves, therefore the idea of 1v1’ing Solaris to erase his entire history like what JJ was arguing makes no sense when it’s a team effort to do this in the first place.
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Because of Solaris's power, as stated in the guide, which notes that Solaris is too strong for Super Sonic to face alone. This is not a point against their ability to harm him across all of time
 
There’s not really any enemy where it’s explicitly needed again, Solaris is the only temporal omnipresent in the franchise.
 
Finally done with an exam, might only be available for a little bit this week before school comes back to haunt me.

@CloverDragon03 Except that harming someone across time is not an AP centric ability, that’s specifically a hax ability unless stated in the series that being stronger renders the Hax inefficient.

@omegabronic it’s fine.

With help from 2 other hedgehogs in order to do this. This clearly isn’t something they can do on their own even when giving them the benefit of the doubt that this a passive ability that every super form has.

And you haven’t remotely proven this is a passive ability for every super form and you’ve also repeated the same arguments over and over again.
 
Theglassman12 said:
With help from 2 other hedgehogs in order to do this. This clearly isn’t something they can do on their own even when giving them the benefit of the doubt that this a passive ability that every super form has.
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they don't need 2 other hedgehogs to harm Solaris, that they can do on their own, beat him however? that they need to work together, you seen to be not understanding what the ability even is, it makes it so that the super forms harm someone across all of their history, that's how each of them can even harm Solaris the way they do in the first place

Theglassman12 said:
And you haven’t remotely proven this is a passive ability for every super form
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that i did, all super forms gain their powers from the Chaos Emeralds, what one can do, the other should also be capable of

Theglassman12 said:
and you’ve also repeated the same arguments over and over again.
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if you give the same points, then i have to give the same counter points, i don't have much of a choice, hence why i stopped answering after a while
 
Theglassman12 said:
@CloverDragon03 Except that harming someone across time is not an AP centric ability, that’s specifically a hax ability unless stated in the series that being stronger renders the Hax inefficient.
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Each hedgehog can individually harm Solaris across all time. But as far as AP goes, all three were needed because Solaris was too strong for Super Sonic to fight on his own. That’s all
 
@CloverDragon03 still doesn't really explain how this is never remotely mentioned in any other time the super forms are used and how they're never stated to nuke anyone else's entire history.

@omegabronic Said ability is a hax thing, something never remotely stated or implied to be something every single super form can do. It's not that I don't understand the ability, I know what this ability is, my problem is you're extrapolating this to everyone else with these forms when this isn't remotely stated to be an ability for super forms like how invulnerability is.

Still not really explaining passive history nuking at all.

And vice versa, if this is all this debate is gonna boil down to we might as well just get other staff members to finish this.

@Theuser789 Probably because it is, and barely anyone's bothering to evaluate.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@CloverDragon03 still doesn't really explain how this is never remotely mentioned in any other time the super forms are used and how they're never stated to nuke anyone else's entire history.
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Well, obviously. Solaris is the only temporally omnipresent foe Sonic and friends have ever faced. Why would it be brought up again if it wasn't necessary? This is a moot point honestly
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Well, obviously. Solaris is the only temporally omnipresent foe Sonic and friends have ever faced. Why would it be brought up again if it wasn't necessary? This is a moot point honestly
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And like, Sonic is a game (for the most part). It's not like every Sonic game will address every ability Sonic has had in previous games, super form or not.

We know Super Sonic can do this, and he's never had a ubiquitous opponent like this again (as far as I know)

It would be like, taking away Sonic's powers that he has in x game just because you can't use that same power in a future game or that it was never mentioned again.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@omegabronic Said ability is a hax thing, something never remotely stated or implied to be something every single super form can do. It's not that I don't understand the ability, I know what this ability is, my problem is you're extrapolating this to everyone else with these forms when this isn't remotely stated to be an ability for super forms like how invulnerability is.
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same power source, same font of the powers, same super form, they are powered by the same thing, they are using the same form, there is no power 1 super form has that another shouldn't have, since they are all the same thing

Theglassman12 said:
Still not really explaining passive history nuking at all.
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i did, numerous times, you didn't countered any of them

Theglassman12 said:
And vice versa, if this is all this debate is gonna boil down to we might as well just get other staff members to finish this.
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sure sure
 
all of the discussions on the OP except for offensive time travel is done. It’s stemmed from the super forms harming Solaris who’s temporally omnipresent, but I’m arguing it’s not something they can do on their own since they had to fight it across time to kill it. Plus the ability is never mentioned as a passive thing for the Super forms, which results in type 4 Acausality for the bosses via tanking punches despite type 1 or a resistance feat being the lowball assumption.
 
Theglassman12 said:
all of the discussions on the OP except for offensive time travel is done. It’s stemmed from the super forms harming Solaris who’s temporally omnipresent, but I’m arguing it’s not something they can do on their own since they had to fight it across time to kill it. Plus the ability is never mentioned as a passive thing for the Super forms, which results in type 4 Acausality for the bosses via tanking punches despite type 1 or a resistance feat being the lowball assumption.
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They already have Immeasurable speed from the Solaris fight. So that's simply redundant.
 
So I assume you disagree with the offensive time travel then? How about the rest of the OP cause I need staff input for that.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
They already have Immeasurable speed from the Solaris fight. So that's simply redundant.
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also, the thing in the solaris fight that gives them immeasurable is completely different from the one that gives offensive time travel, they dodging temporal omnipresent attacks is the immeasurable feat, them attacking Solaris and harming all of his history is offensive time travel
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Downgrade their immeasurable speed then.
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1. Super Sonic scales to the Team Eater, who has Immeasurable speed.

2. IIRC earlier in this thread someone reworded Immeasurable scaling to Solaris. Something about how "if he exists in all of time (past, present, and future), so do his energy beams".
 
Eseseso said:
1. Super Sonic scales to the Team Eater, who has Immeasurable speed.

2. IIRC earlier in this thread someone reworded Immeasurable scaling to Solaris. Something about how "if he exists in all of time (past, present, and future), so do his energy beams".
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Then yeah, even more redundant.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
They don't need it.

They are immeasurable and attacked him together across all of time. 3 immeasurables going through the different time periods.

Again, is simply redundant.
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for this to be the case Solaris must not have reacted to then in all of the periods he existed in, which is impossible since he directly scales to them
 
Yeah it is redundant, they can dodge Solaris’s projectiles which can hit across all of time, and Sonic can damage Solaris at every point in time with movement alone, so it’s not a huge stretch that Shadow and Silver just apply their immeasurable speed to their projectiles.
 
JJSliderman said:
Yeah it is redundant, they can dodge Solaris’s projectiles which can hit across all of time, and Sonic can damage Solaris at every point in time with movement alone, so it’s not a huge stretch that Shadow and Silver just apply their immeasurable speed to their projectiles.
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That doesn't make sense, you are suggesting that the hogs somehow blitzed solaris an infinite ammount of times through all time periods without him being able to do anything about it in any of them
 
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