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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Death Battle if it was good.
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Yes, we know about the IGN thing, if that's what you're implying. Ironically, the ratings were reversed in one place.
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@SJG13673 Please keep making these Archie Sonic threads. It really helps a lot with Archie Sonic. I can't wait for @ElixirBlue to create an Off-Panel thread (I don't know if he plans on doing that soon but a guy can hope).
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I'm pretty sure almost all standard abilities are applied, all that remains is to update lifting strength, add speed multipliers for Sonic, make the verse 8-D and potencially add game scaling from World's collide, like Emerl and Gens stuff
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How would the verse get to 8D? Furthermore how would the Gens stuff be applied? What other abilities would be added exactly?
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Make Virtual Zone a dimensional jump, which shouldn't be too hard, and second is using a statement from Dr. Light. Same also potentially gives Sonic wisps.
About abilities, I don't know yet
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Wouldn’t the Generation stuff be another dimensional leap with White Space?
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Possibly, @Remus1998 already uses something similar on his CS/AP pages, but I feel like his version includes a lot of non-existent stuff like Secret Rings
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If I were you, I’d save the cosmology stuff for last and get the abilities all finished first.
Second, do you believe there is A CHANCE to get Archie to either 1-A or Low 1-A outside of Off Panel? I really do still think what Brogee’s thread presented shows some merit but because of site rules and certain mods cherry-picking definitions and contexts it makes it much harder to do so.
I’d figure Sonic Live and the Images Comics Crossover have some merit to them.
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Nope, don't think so, I don't like anything above High 1-C and there isn't a lot of stuff to support it, it was already rejected so I don't see the point in trying
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How come you let alone other people even touched Sonic Live and the Sonic Image Comics crossover?
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They aren't that bad
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I’m referring to powerscaling.
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I don't get what you're saying
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What I mean is, why didn’t you use material from Sonic Live or the Images Comics Crossover for powerscaling?
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Sonic live is used for a few statements on cosmology structure by Shake and has one of Sonic's regeneration feats.
Image Comics has an infinite multiverse statement but otherwise can't be used for grander cosmology I think
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Wouldn’t it technically make Archie apart of the image comics cosmology though?
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Crossover isn't important enough and likely located in other multiverse all together
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Other multiverse?
It happened and as we know with Sonic on how everything is canon, there is no reason to why this wouldn’t be canon.
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Everything isn't canon. That throwaway tweet isn't some WoG statement or is rooted in any truth. In that case, there should only be one Sonic page since "everything is canon".
Also, the crossover with Image doesn't increase the scaling at all. Just because they make an appearance, it doesn't make the entire verse scale in response.
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It’s in lore books as well and Ian Flynn has stated that SO many times in Bumblekasts regardless of what continuity of Sonic he’s referring to.
How so?
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Ian Flynn's word isn't law. It's only a suggestion. He can't make Archie and Sonic the Comic and SATAM, and etc canon. He does NOT have that kind of pull.
Also, it simply doesn't. The wiki here has rules against crossover scaling. Not only that, but none of the Image stuff did anything significant enough to even provide a higher cosmology for the verse. Sonic just met Spawn (maybe others but I've only seen him meet Spawn) and that's it. That doesn't mean "Archie scales to/above Image". Not even close. Archie doesn't even have that pull, either. You're overthinking that whole crossover. It is completely illegitimate to the powerscaling as a whole. The only crossover that was actually valid is the Worlds Collide comic because it actually had weight and both had the same comic distributor, so it gives more credence to it being a legit scale of power.
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That’s not what he means by that. What he means is that events that had happened in the specific continuity are canon to that specific continuity. Example, if Archie and Image Comics had a crossover, the crossover is canon to Archie and Image Comics and as a result, share the same verse as a bi-product.
I’m not saying Archie scales to or above Image Comics. I’m saying they share the same cosmology.
I disagree. It happened in Archie and as such, is canon to Archie. Nothing to overthink there.
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He, alone, isn't able to make that call. Not without actual comms with the writers of Image. So I don't even consider it valid.
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I disagree since he is the one who had to fix all of Archie's narrative and even world-building issues (which included the Image Comics Crossover).
Even if you still disagree, here's an official Image Comics author Erik Larson dictating how Image Comics crossovers are typically handled within the Image Comics verse.
https://www.cbr.com/issue-14-2/
“Every book in Image exist in it's own universe”
“Each character that comes into another character's book exists in that universe, as well as their own. When characters meet we get to see events, which take place in both characters' respective universes. In other words: When Savage Dragon meets Invincible, it's an event that Invincible experienced in his life in his universe and it's an event that Savage Dragon experienced in his life in his universe. Duplicate events took place simultaneously in both universes!”
“By doing things that way it allows everybody to have complete freedom in the confines of their respective books and that's important at a company where creators are creating all kinds of new stuff left and right. Why should Robert Kirkman have to be saddled with my Atlantis just because I got here first? Why shouldn't Todd McFarlane be able to have his own version of God in his book? And just because somebody else did a version of Thor-- why shouldn't I be able to my version in my book?”
“So then, you might ask, why should you, the reader, get sucked into the Image Universe if it's not consistent and events in one book aren't reflected in another book?”
“Because the events in each book matter (very much) in the confines of each individual book and because this kind of freedom has allowed creators to let their imagination run absolutely wild! Besides, other superhero universes at other companies are riddled with inconsistencies anyway, so what's the big deal? At least we're honest about it and at least each book has its own consistent continuity on its own.”
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If every book in image exists in its own universe, by technicality, that crossover doesn't really add anything to the scaling since it's within its own bubble of a universe. Even if it wasn't, it doesn't mean the universes are always intertwined. The Archie Multiverse Nuke would not have jurisdiction over any Image-related stuff at all.
Even then, him fixing all of the issues doesn't mean he has actual authority on that. That's a job ANY writer would have been tasked to do for a long-running comic series.
Even then, Image Comics does not become relevant after that. It isn't important enough, as said before.
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What he’s referring to is the Image Comics characters existing in a universe where the crossover took place while still being apart of the Image Comics universe. Because the crossover happened in that universe for Image Comics, it is apart of both Archie and Image Comics verse. The main point I’m trying to make is that the crossover, the specific universe the crossover took place in, and the characters apart of that said crossover are canon to the Archieverse. In Archie’s case, the main continuity characters there. In Image Comics’ case, the characters of that universe there. Hence, Archie and Image Comics share a cosmology with each other. Whether it has merit for powerscaling or not is irrelevant to the point I’m making. It’s canon and they share a cosmology with each other.
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I sometimes wonder why some powerscalers think 1-A is cool and desperatly want their character to be that tier when it's a boring tier + requires multiple mental gymnastics + boring to argue + MUs won't be as interesting + Their character would be trash in that tier anyways
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Yeah plus Low 1-A and up tiers can really disinterest people from getting into the scaling of a series, for a couple of reasons
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They don't. You can either take it or keep coping about it. This discussion just feels like mental gymnastics and I don't even care to continue it anymore. Have fun, I guess.
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Don't know. Just feels like a numbers game or a flexing contest. I like making sure my favorite characters' power is accurately represented, but then you have people who fiend for tier 1-A by any means necessary. Just gets into a bunch of technical, semantical, philosophical hoopla that is aggressively slow and drab to even talk about. Along with the tedious hogwash of a discussion that'll happen afterwards that'll become circular.
Why anyone would even want to put that into the air and have that discussion? No clue. Just feels like they see a big number, want their character/verse to be big number, but have no idea of the process that goes into that.
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Me personally, Accuracy >>>>>> Big number
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I agree. I also think Accuracy >>>>>>>>> Low number easier. I also HATE when people try to debate something, don't think too hard about what they're debating, and still try to die on their hill, too. Like saying some stuff like "erm i never saw Sonic destroy a planet, so he's not even planet level he's a Varik Brandish 2 victim". So obnoxious.
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but... but number big tho..
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Speaking of Varik from Brandish 2, I really wish there was good translations for the Brandish games cuz I been meaning to get into them. They are kinda the origin of games like Undertale and Deltarune. That it's such an obscure game that given gets referenced in games like Ys.
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Sonic Question Time: If Sonic was to have his own version of Marvel’s “What If…?” (An anthology series that covered alternate scenarios), what ideas do you think would be cool to see?
Two ideas I thought of:
Two ideas I thought of:
- What if Maria Survived?
- Maria survives the G.U.N. Raid, but Shadow is killed while attempting to protect people. After being brought back to Earth she’s initially put under extensive medical care, however the procedures she had with Shadow begin to not only slowly heal her condition but also cause her to develop strange new abilities. Once she becomes more able, she decides to use her new powers to fight against corruption.
- What if Zavok found the Chaos Emeralds?
- Zavok learns of the Chaos Emeralds’ presence on the Lost Hex during the events of Lost World, and after finding one uses it to supercharge the speed of the Extractor. With the planet completely drained of life, the Deadly Six use the drained energy to destroy Sonic, Tails and Eggman. They then vow to eradicate all traces of Eggman’s legacy, and upon learning of this Orbot and Cubot race to rally up the best robots on Earth to try and defeat them. EDIT: The Zeti being able to manipulate magnetic fields would make the story more interesting, since it means the robots would be completely incapable of defeating them in a head-on fight.
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