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Why is there a Cutscnee in the chemical plant in the middle of green hill???
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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ALL of space and time means ALL of space and time, not just a "reality". Be serious.
There's no "Act 3". Did you play the game?
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Alternative futures which dr gerds explanation in shadow generations covers them being here besides the Solar Dimension but that is explicitly blazes home who eggman also wanted to show up
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No i find this notion ridiculous, I won't entertain it. It's abundantly clear it means in the universe. This would literally never fly if it was dragonball.
Edit: ultimately this is a difference if opinion that can't be reconciled with arguments so I won't reply to this notion again.
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Dang never knew the time eater tiering was based on something I find totally ridiculous
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Great. I also think your arguments are completely ridiculous. Maybe the r/deathbattle subreddit would be more your speed, dontcha think?
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You can think that if you want
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Crisis City is explicitly another dimension, as Speed Sim supports with ESP Silver.
It's ridiculous to you. Somebody can equally point the finger at you and call your belief ridiculous, that doesn't make the opposite belief any more valid. And that Dragon Ball thing is a whataboutism.
Welcome to powerscaling.
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There being another dimension where crisis city exists actively doesn't change that crisis city is also an alternate future in the prime reality giving it a perfectly reasonable explanation to be there
Sure they can do. It and the dragonball things were just my raw thoughts tbh it's hard to engage with an aurgment I can't understand the grounds for in any way shape or form leaving me to only say I find it ridiculous.
Been here for years
ShakeResounding
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An alternate future, which isn't actively in existence as the Zombot Arc shows (it was a MV wasteland rather than a lava apocalypse). There is no possibility in which Crisis City can be considered a part of the timeline because Iblis no longer exists to ruin it in such a way. Ironically, hypertime allows it. Without, you have no solid answer
So rather than attempting to grasp it as a possibility or engage in dialogue to learn, you close the book and willingly choose to be ignorant?
Rhetorical expression. I recognize you from years ago.
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No I have an easy explanation in case you forgot Dr Gerald says in shadow generations that erased portions of time can reappear if you abuse the timeline enough (to my understanding this is used as justification for the Mephiles boss fight) are you unaware of this scene? Should I find it for you?
I did not see any path forward with it. I assure if I thought there was any way I'd understand the reasoning I would have tried, I do not
It was just a cheeky reply to a cheeky statment
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because Dragon ball never explains hypertime, or gives hints to its existence, is just ****** how time travel works (and again, i hate hypertime)
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act 3? there is no act 3
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TE affecting multiple timelines is definitely a lot more explicit in Japanese (which honestly does line up more with Iizuka’s interview), considering that instead of “point in time”, Gerald uses the kanji/term referring to “time axis/timeline” when describing returning to the past, which hints that separate points in time for JP Sonic are just alternate dimensions, somehow?
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Somehow, but it was also said in the shadow generations website, something like "travel through time and dimensions"
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I Was mistaken yes I assumed there was because by the context of the scene I thought it happened well playing through chemical plant and the other was saying chemical plant was restored yet so I assumed there was more of the level.
ShakeResounding
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This is actually supported by CD's manual
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The use of timeline could be trying to discirbe a section of time that was erased as it's never really a single instant/point in time that is. But you should probably ask a wiki translator before anyone makes any revisions with this in mind.
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I guess in that regard that’s kind of huge and acts as more support for the infinite cosmology angle, if time runs infinitely then there’s infinite dimensions out of that.
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Probably, but I checked it a few times, the term for “point in time” is jiten, while the term for timeline/time axis is jikanjiku, which is what’s used in both ‘06 and Shadow Gens.
ShakeResounding
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Would work if guides didn't refer to it as from an alternate dimension.
My issue is you act as if it's preposterous for an individual to take the stance of Time Eater being a cosmology wiper is all.
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I have a SUUUUUPER old Many-Worlds Theory blog that has the scan. Let me see if I can fetch it.
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I should also point out- the differences between a dimension and a point in time. It's mainly just the past's connection to the future- otherwise you can't really distinguish an alternate timeline 5 years behind yours from traveling 5 years in the past.
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a single universe is factually not "all of space-time" no, specially with other timelines already inside White Space and the "undo my previous defeats" objective Eggman says by using TE's Space-Time Erasure abilities, which would include his defeats in several other universes as well
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1 then why didn't you show that first?
2 it's just what I think of it. Anything else would be me lying
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Speaking of Silver, his dialogue also implies he saw and met multiple Sonics in White Space as well.
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The presence of the Sol dimension already implies in any case that eggman can choose to have the time eater go ti another reality and drag it's space time to white space.
Sense my belief on the all of time statement is set in stone and I do not believe myself able to change my mind I don't find it productive in any way to engage with that part of the aurgment.
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Weren't the manuals from this era more or less completely remade by the American team? Is the Japanese manual similar?
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But...there are multiple sonics in white space?
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We see Classic Sonic
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Yes I feel very confused him and modern sonic make multiple sonics, there could also fesable be sonics from other points running around (like the fabled adventure era sonic that was considered early on)
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He says this to both Classic and Modern.
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Yeah, the JP manual just mentions going light-speed to time travel.
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What guide were you referring to here? And did you still mean crisis city?
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I really don't understand, if crisis city is an alt timeline (specifically the one from generations) why it's being used as well to prove hypertimeline?
Idk why ignoring Gilard calling it an echo from a past alternation of the main timeline
Idk why ignoring Gilard calling it an echo from a past alternation of the main timeline
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Gerald
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..............Dragon Ball? what about it?
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I have problem with names
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no no, Gerald says that time can "heal itself" as long as some pinacle points remains, which is he explaining why the Timeline won't change from him and Maria experiencing Shadow Gens, this is explaining the Past didn't changed from Classic going to the future so many times, not anything related to the Mephiles fight
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