Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Alexander]

I've had this loaded in my comment and I need to get rid of it so here you are, forgive me for derailing the above topic.

Sonic Question Time: If you had to continue the storybook series with somebody other than So ic as the main lead, who would it be and what mythology would you place them in? (Bonus points for making a title for it.)

A personal favorite idea of mine was using Blaze in Norse Mythology, specifically around the idea of Blaze preventing Fimbulwinter (a period of non-stop winter before the end of the world). The twist comes when Fimbulwinter is revealed to actually be a person rather than an event proper.

As for the title... "Blaze and the Endless Winter" or something

Sonic and the journey to the west.
Sonic enters this world by going inside a lake, and his objective is to free the Monkey king, hut after doing that, the Monkey king wants to conquer Heaven again, similar to when he tried hundreds of years ago.
At the end of the game Sonic manages to completely master a new state of being thanks to his free spirit nature and unbrekable will, and then he turns into a golden transparent form of himself that has many "stars"dots in his body, and the name is Enlightment Sonic, and the Monkey king tries to beat him in a race, first he goes from a mountain to another mountain, then from the earth to the sun, then from the sun to the end of the galaxy and then to the very edge of the universe, but Sonic is now existing in every place, so speed is irrelevant for him, then he traps Monkey King in a Big Ring like mountain, with a lake inside, goes back to his original form, and goes back to his universe

 

[Omegabronic]

Given that Sonic would later go on in Runners to fold to 1/200 of non-word amped Erazor’s power, seems more like a physical amp. The power is stated to be flowing into him and he says he can “feel its power” whenever he picks up a world ring.

Different universe.....why are yoy talking about it?

Also, the power "flowing" into him means nothing if he isn't using it, specially since, as seen in the ifrit golem fight, he actually needs to hold out to use their power, meaning that he doesn't just use without taking them out in hand

Here and here it’s show that all the fodder djinn in the game are made from the words.

Guess what? All things in the arabian nights are made of that, this doesn't prove much

Plus......it seems like you didn't read my reply , have you? You said "good chunk" as if it would be enough to dowgrade Erazor himself......you didn't proved this, so it really doesn't matter

Even right before the fight with Erazor in the night palace you can still see fodder djinn, so he is definitely still doing it.

no, it means he created a bunch of them using an unkown ammount of words, Erazor himself is said to be the most powerful magic user/genie, thus more powerful than King Shahryar, who is also terrified of him, The king being the one who made the Arabian Nights to begin with

Adds consistency to Sonic’s fight with Erazor in another game and is implied in the story FRA.

I asked for proof, not your headcanons using a version of Sonic of a different game to what you consider "consistency"

I really don't care about your headcanons here, at all

 

[Omegabronic]

Going by that logic Sonic would be 1/4th universal at worst, then.

.......what are you on about?

 

[Omegabronic]

Space could still exist without the words, going off Sonic restoring space to normal in the ending as Darkspine before Erazor returned the words.

Erazor never took all the words, he also shoot words himself during the fight, you are just being desingenuos now

 

[ShakeResounding]

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[JJSliderman]

Also, the power "flowing" into him means nothing if he isn't using it, specially since, as seen in the ifrit golem fight, he actually needs to hold out to use their power, meaning that he doesn't just use without taking them out in hand

That was specifically the ring’s ability to summon a storm, not their general power up potential.

Guess what? All things in the arabian nights are made of that, this doesn't prove much

Plus......it seems like you didn't read my reply , have you? You said "good chunk" as if it would be enough to dowgrade Erazor himself......you didn't proved this, so it really doesn't matter

Sure, let me just go and count how many fodder enemies I find in the game and cross reference it with the word count of the Arabian nights to get an answer in, some time. I’ll get back on it.

no, it means he created a bunch of them using an unkown ammount of words, Erazor himself is said to be the most powerful magic user/genie, thus more powerful than King Shahryar, who is also terrified of him, The king being the one who made the Arabian Nights to begin with

We have no idea how Shahryar made the Nights, given how physically weak he is it’s clear it doesn’t scale to his physicals.

 

[JJSliderman]

Erazor never took all the words, he also shoot words himself during the fight, you are just being desingenuos now

If Erazor did absorb half the universe, why are the effects never seen? Everything looks completely normal spatial wise until he specifically warps the Nights as Alf Layla.

 

[Theuser789]

Space could still exist without the words, going off Sonic restoring space to normal in the ending as Darkspine before Erazor returned the words.

High 3-A divided is still high 3-A, as well.

 

[Theuser789]

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People whine about how Sonic is uber-wanked here as if we don't have 24/7 discussions doubting every single thing in the pages. Plus having to reel in the floodgates of people who believe in 5D, immeasurable speed base Sonic.

 

[Fireld]

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[Sparkive]

Wasn't there an entire thread about how Runners isn't canon, and how Runners Sonic doesn't even remember Erazor?

Yes, until Omegasonic took his interpretation, put it in his Cosmology Ctr, it was not discussed at all and it was accepted as an alternate universe when the blog in question was accepted despite the fact that the Runners canonicity Ctr appeared before his and even now is still unfinized.
What is accepted in the profiles is that it is only an alternate universe...

I'm still upset about that

 

[JJSliderman]

High 3-A divided is still high 3-A, as well.

That Prima guide one off statement putting in a lot of heavy lifting

 

[Theuser789]

That Prima guide one off statement putting in a lot of heavy lifting

That one off downplayer YouTube video is putting in a lot of heavy lifting.

 

[Omegabronic]

That was specifically the ring’s ability to summon a storm, not their general power up potential.

that of course, work completely differently from one another for no discernible reason other than "it must for Sonic not to scale to X opponent"......right

Sure, let me just go and count how many fodder enemies I find in the game and cross reference it with the word count of the Arabian nights to get an answer in, some time. I’ll get back on it.

don't bother, the 1001 nigths stories have in total 248000 words, and considering that the djins are made from at most a couple of letters..........yeah, could be 10000 enemies and it wouldn't matter, the large majority would still be in Erazor, plus the feat from his magic to be able to affect his universe in a such a manner would still make his magic scale, so it truly doesn't matter

We have no idea how Shahryar made the Nights, given how physically weak he is it’s clear it doesn’t scale to his physicals.

but it would to his magic, which Erazor is superior, supported by how effortlessly Erazor is literally destroying the Arabian Nights reality

If Erazor did absorb half the universe

he did, that is literally stated, i will not try to prove what is literally stated to us, it is a said fact that he did that, you trying to deny it truly doesn't matter to me

, why are the effects never seen? Everything looks completely normal spatial wise until he specifically warps the Nights as Alf Layla.

considering that we never leave a single planet there, yeah, go figure, are you done talking things that do not matter nor prove anything?

 

[Omegabronic]

Yes, until Omegasonic took his interpretation, put it in his Cosmology Ctr, it was not discussed at all and it was accepted as an alternate universe when the blog in question was accepted despite the fact that the Runners canonicity Ctr appeared before his and even now is still unfinized.
What is accepted in the profiles is that it is only an alternate universe...

I'm still upset about that

i mean, wasn't that what you were trying? just though of adding to my CRT to make it faster for you

 

[Omegabronic]

That Prima guide one off statement putting in a lot of heavy lifting

again, when are you going to give actual arguments? this is nothing to me, really

 

[JJSliderman]

that of course, work completely differently from one another for no discernible reason other than "it must for Sonic not to scale to X opponent"......right

Alf Layla and Darkspine also don’t visibly hold out the rings, nor do any of the bosses amped by the ring they hold.

don't bother, the 1001 nigths stories have in total 248000 words, and considering that the djins are made from at most a couple of letters..........yeah, could be 10000 enemies and it wouldn't matter, the large majority would still be in Erazor, plus the feat from his magic to be able to affect his universe in a such a manner would still make his magic scale, so it truly doesn't matter

Thanks, sounds fair then.

but it would to his magic, which Erazor is superior, supported by how effortlessly Erazor is literally destroying the Arabian Nights reality

We never actually get an explanation of how Shahryar did it to say his magic power scales.

considering that we never leave a single planet there, yeah, go figure, are you done talking things that do not matter nor prove anything?

Half the universe isn’t a small portion, I’d imagine at least one part of space would appear somewhat distorted or different after Evil Foundry, but nope.

 

[JJSliderman]

again, when are you going to give actual arguments? this is nothing to me, really

Just saying maybe Prima guides shouldn’t be relied on so heavily, they can provide information not intended by the developers and just thrown in as flavor text.

 

[Theuser789]

Man, this all started because you're taking a downplayer video as gospel.

 

[Sparkive]

If it helps, here are the scans of Secrets rings from speedpedia
Also... it is clearly canon that Sonic got all the rings (Speed-pedia also supports this), please drop that argument, regardless of which side is right, there are better arguments than that.

 

[Hypercyber37]

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[JJSliderman]

If it helps, here are the scans of Secrets rings from speedpedia
Also... it is clearly canon that Sonic got all the rings (Speed-pedia also supports this), please drop that argument, regardless of which side is right, there are better arguments than that.

It’s canon he gets all of them, just not confirmed when he did it before or after the Erazor fight, Sonic can fight base Erazor with not all the rings (like 2 or 3), so the amp they could hypothetically give Sonic wouldn’t be notable enough for Sonic not to scale, as he can beat one-ring amped entities without a ring.

 

[SuperStar]

Sonic

 

[Alexander]

Sonic

Beutiful words

 

[Sparkive]

It’s canon he gets all of them, just not confirmed when he did it before or after the Erazor fight, Sonic can fight base Erazor with not all the rings (like 2 or 3), so the amp they could hypothetically give Sonic wouldn’t be notable enough for Sonic not to scale, as he can beat one-ring amped entities without a ring.

I... I didn't know that...
It's what happens when your pirated Wii for some reason doesn't accept half of the Sonic games (I only remember being able to play Colors, I tried Unleashed and Black Knight, but the console wouldn't play them, and I didn't even try Secrets Rings.)

 

[Alexander]

I... I didn't know that...
It's what happens when your pirated Wii for some reason doesn't accept half of the Sonic games (I only remember being able to play Colors, I tried Unleashed and Black Knight, but the console wouldn't play them, and I didn't even try Secrets Rings.)

My ps3 was pirated but i didn't have Sonic unleash

 

[Theuser789]

Also... it is clearly canon that Sonic got all the rings (Speed-pedia also supports this), please drop that argument, regardless of which side is right, there are better arguments than that.

Nobody argued against this. People are arguing if Sonic got all of them before fighting Erazor (in base) or not.

 

[JJSliderman]

Well you can fight Erazor with a minimum of 3, so assuming that each ring does actually boost Sonic, he would be 1/3 of Erazor, who himself is 1/2 of the power of the Nights, so 1/6 of the Nights at worst.

 

[Theuser789]

Well you can fight Erazor with a minimum of 3, so assuming that each ring does actually boost Sonic, he would be 1/3 of Erazor, who himself is 1/2 of the power of the Nights, so 1/6 of the Nights at worst.

3? I know you need to get the World Ring that nulls the Ifrit and the Ifrit's Ring, but what is the other one?

 

[JJSliderman]

The white ring from Solomon, to open the palace.

 

[Omegabronic]

Alf Layla and Darkspine also don’t visibly hold out the rings, nor do any of the bosses amped by the ring they hold.

Alf is the one that disproves your theory, as when he actually had the rings in him and used their power, he transformedx which didn't happened to Sonic at any point, no matter how many rings he had, except for Darkspine, which didn't happen even when he had all the rings he used to turn Darkspine, so no, stop trying to argue for something contradicted by the climax of the game alone

Also, yeah, Alf needed them out, hence why they were out of his body for Sonic to use to begin with

Thanks, sounds fair then.

Good thing we agree then

We never actually get an explanation of how Shahryar did it to say his magic power scales.

how else would he have do it? Give me any other explanation, specially with how the words are magical in nature given.....all about them in secret rings

Half the universe isn’t a small portion, I’d imagine at least one part of space would appear somewhat distorted or different after Evil Foundry, but nope.

Dude, a single planet is so small and is seeing so little of the universe, that it simplu doesn't have the scope to see anything, we literally can't even 0.1% of the observable universe in our sky, you are literally making no sense, again, i don't care about what you THINK it should look, it is directly stated, end of story

Just saying maybe Prima guides shouldn’t be relied on so heavily, they can provide information not intended by the developers and just thrown in as flavor text.

"They can" sure........where is the proof that it is here tho?

"And in this case it is because i don't like this information and think Sonic should be lower"

Unless you are using this logic, then i really don't care at all

 

[Theuser789]

Oh yeah, you're right.

The white ring from Solomon, to open the palace.

 

[JJSliderman]

how else would he have do it? Give me any other explanation, specially with how the words are magical in nature given.....all about them in secret rings

Idk, could be an invention, could be hax, either way Shahryar is visibly one of the weakest characters in the game so him being a universe creator in physicals, seems like a stretch.

"They can" sure........where is the proof that it is here tho?

The infinite night palace corridor is smthn never hinted at in the game itself, plus the corridor visually has an end that we see before and after it extends.

 

[Omegabronic]

Idk, could be an invention, could be hax, either way Shahryar is visibly one of the weakest characters in the game so him being a universe creator in physicals, seems like a stretch.

......stop the strawman "physicals"? Oh wow, wonder when i said he did in physicals, never, again, stop

The infinite night palace corridor is smthn never hinted at in the game itself

i don't care, it literally doesn't matter

plus the corridor visually has an end that we see before and after it extends.

Oh wow, an infinite speed char sees infinite distance as finite? Which is the point of the entire tier? Who would have thought

 

[BlastX]

Funny thought. Though if Sonic ever had Type 1 Immortality, it would disgrace Black Knight

I mean, I can see it working if it was against his will or something he gained without even realizing or working for it (like getting all those rings super extended his lifespan).

Sonic's problems with Merlina was more because she was forcing eternity onto everyone out of selfishness and also using such a cruel and dangerous method for it.

Though he would probably try to get rid of it...or kill himself when he felt he lived enough.

 

[BlastX]

Also about Ifrit Golem, IIRC it's not that it was much stronger than Sonic, it's just that Sonic is tied to the realm of fire because the arrow of judgement and needed the blue world ring to cancel it out.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I've had this loaded in my comment and I need to get rid of it so here you are, forgive me for derailing the above topic.

Sonic Question Time: If you had to continue the storybook series with somebody other than Sonic as the main lead, who would it be and what mythology would you place them in? (Bonus points for making a title for it.)

A personal favorite idea of mine was using Blaze in Norse Mythology, specifically around the idea of Blaze preventing Fimbulwinter (a period of non-stop winter before the end of the world). The twist comes when Fimbulwinter is revealed to actually be a person rather than an event proper.

As for the title... "Blaze and the Endless Winter" or something

Damn literally said want I wanted to say so I have to pick another character aside from Blaze.

Knuckles and Rouge team up in an Aztec/Inca inspired adventure to find the lost relics of Huītzilopochtli to revive the sun god that was "swallowed" by the moon leading to Knux suspecting the moon is The End while Rouge is in it for the treasures however the duo get caught up in revisionist history with the twist being the sun god is actually a cruel deity that demands sacrifices to regain his former power with the moon trying to spare the people from his cruelty (another antagonistic solar deity lol!).

Title: Knuckles and Rouge, The Eclipsed Lands.

 

[JJSliderman]

Also about Ifrit Golem, IIRC it's not that it was much stronger than Sonic, it's just that Sonic is tied to the realm of fire because the arrow of judgement and needed the blue world ring to cancel it out.

No, they actually state in the mission description that Sonic’s power is “no match” for the Golem, and later say the Golem’s power would rise high enough that it would burn the world.

 

[Alexander]

No, they actually state in the mission description that Sonic’s power is “no match” for the Golem, and later say the Golem’s power would rise high enough that it would burn the world.

His fire power

 

[JJSliderman]

Just, power in general.